m-1-t cycle

ironmike64

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I will be starting my first m-1-t cycle later in the year.
I am an experienced powerlifter with over five years of competitive traning. I was going to go with 5mg of m-1-t the first week and 10mg m5aa a day for the first week then progress to 10mg and 20mg for one maybe two more weeks. I will have clomid for pct. Any advice will be greatly appreceiated. I have heard that using the m5aa can take the place of 4- AD. I also will use milk thistle the entire time and was thinking about year round. Thanks bro's
 
I personally do not believe that m5aa can replace 4ad. The 4ad is to counteract many of the external side effects of the m1t. Not everyone has bad enough sides to have the need to counter them, but most do. Plus, adding any other methyl daily with m1t can exacerbate the internal sides (i.e. liver & lipid problems). It sounds as if you have done some research and are planning a relatively mild and safe cycle. I would recommend not only using some 4ad, but loading it for a week or two before your first dose of m1t. If you do try to use m5aa, your dosage is probably way too low. Daily doses of 100+mg are common and people are taking 50 - 150mg just for a preworkout stim. I'm sure others will have other, differing opinions. I personally like m1t and felt great while on it, but I frontloaded & ran 333mg/day of 4ad with it. Good Luck!

dd
 
Thanks for the responce.....I have donw e several 1-AD/4-AD cycles with little sides and since it is all illegal now and 1-AD is so expensive I stocked up on m-1-t. I plan on taking 10 and maximum 15 mgs a day of undersround labs stuff. I am thinking of taking 10 mgs of m5aa pre-workout and I think I will go ahead and get some 4-derm. I have all the essentials...creatine...glutamin...multi....flax....milk thistle....and I think I will save my z-mass for pct. Have any of you guys got nolva from ibenutrition I was wondering if this was a reputable company. Let me know if any of you guys have dome similar cycles and results......oh.....I am a big guy 6'3 280 does this have any effedt on dosing? I havent heard people ataking that high of a dose of m5aa are you using UL brand?
 
I have not used IBE personally, but many on this board have used them since the research chems have dried up from the board sponsors. All of the feedback I have seen on them has been great. I would/will use them when the need arises. I used ul m1t at 10mg a day. I'm 6'1 and now about 259. 10mg was plenty for me, but your mileage may vary. I don't think you'll get anything from 10mg of m5aa. I have used Omega Sports brand at 60-80mg preworkout. I couldn't feel much at 40 and nothing at 20. I just used it a couple of times during an m1t cycle for preworkout boosts when needed (once or twice a week). My cycle was very successful. I gained 16lbs total and kept 11lbs after pct. My total cycle was about 30 (or so days). I front loaded 4ad for about 2 weeks, then ran m1t at 10mg (2X5mg) ed. for 17 days. I loved the cycle and will do it again. As you probably know, m1t is very hard on your liver, lipids, bp, etc. I will probably only do two low dose, short (2-3weeks) cycles per year with m1t. I feel it's harsh enough to be that cautious with it. I have some other, non-methylated compounds to fill in the gaps.


dd
 
Good idea to add 4ad, but running 2 methyls is a bad idea.

If you do go ahead with M5aa, you will not notice any effects at 10-20 mgs/day. I didn't notice anything until I got up to 50mg pre-workout, many users have gone up to 100mg. At your size, I'd start with 40mg & increase if needed.
 
is it a good idea to use the M5AA after you complete your M1T cycle...so you'd use the M5AA while on PCT (Nolva etc...)
 
Wolfe008 said:
is it a good idea to use the M5AA after you complete your M1T cycle...so you'd use the M5AA while on PCT (Nolva etc...)
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Not if you want your balls back!:lol: Taking any PH/PS while in PCT will keep you shut down. If you need something to help with post cycle lethargy and lack of libido go for some tribulus, vitex and an EC stack.

I don't see a problem running 40/50mg ed of m5aa with 5-10mg M1T as long as liver protection is used throughout the cycle and through PCT, yes you are stacking two methyls but the stack is still alot safer than 20mg M1T on its own IMHO.
 
Not if you want your balls back!:lol: Taking any PH/PS while in PCT will keep you shut down. If you need something to help with post cycle lethargy and lack of libido go for some tribulus, vitex and an EC stack.
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Miggins is wise beyond his posts#. DO NOT take an androgen during pct, It defeats the purpose. If you are still taking androgens, you're not finished with your cycle. Save pct for POST CYCLE.
I can't recommend stacking any other methyl with m1t. I did personally use m5 a couple of times as a preworkout stim while on an m1t cycle. I wouldn't recommend that others do the same, but I did do it. Before you do it. Research it yourself, weigh the options & risks, then make an educated decision.

dd
 
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okay...I have a lot of m5aa what how should I use it or what should I stack it with...my next cycle is going to a be 4ad/m1t cycle I wanted to incorporate it in there some how, but not if it's harmfull...thanks...
 
diamonddave said:
I personally do not believe that m5aa can replace 4ad. The 4ad is to counteract many of the external side effects of the m1t. Not everyone has bad enough sides to have the need to counter them, but most do. Plus, adding any other methyl daily with m1t can exacerbate the internal sides (i.e. liver & lipid problems). It sounds as if you have done some research and are planning a relatively mild and safe cycle. I would recommend not only using some 4ad, but loading it for a week or two before your first dose of m1t. If you do try to use m5aa, your dosage is probably way too low. Daily doses of 100+mg are common and people are taking 50 - 150mg just for a preworkout stim. I'm sure others will have other, differing opinions. I personally like m1t and felt great while on it, but I frontloaded & ran 333mg/day of 4ad with it. Good Luck!

dd
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I don't want to cause flaming or arguing on this subject..But you tell him not to use m5aa with m1t which I think is a smart choice. M1T is the most toxic legal ps in existance. Then what I don't understand is you tell him if you do use m5aa you should use 100mg+ daily?. That would just be disasterous!.
 
Longdog said:
Good idea to add 4ad, but running 2 methyls is a bad idea.

If you do go ahead with M5aa, you will not notice any effects at 10-20 mgs/day. I didn't notice anything until I got up to 50mg pre-workout, many users have gone up to 100mg. At your size, I'd start with 40mg & increase if needed.
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I'm fairly new to ph's, and for my first shot at it Im running a short Mohn/m5aa cycle. Although, I must say that I DO notice the m5aa at only 20mgs pw. I may bump it up to 40 on week two, but I would start with a lower dose to start, and only Pre Workout. not on non training days as the two methyls are going to be hard on you anyways. BTW it's Omega's brand. :)
 
T-Bone said:
I don't want to cause flaming or arguing on this subject..But you tell him not to use m5aa with m1t which I think is a smart choice. M1T is the most toxic legal ps in existance. Then what I don't understand is you tell him if you do use m5aa you should use 100mg+ daily?. That would just be disasterous!.
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Well, I don't mean to use it simultaneously. I think the 4ad & m1t should be run together. After running the the m1t a couple of weeks, stop the m1t, then he could extend his cycle by running a couple of weeks of m5 w/o m1t. Sorry that I wasn't clear about this. I think they could both be used in a cycle, just not simultaneously.

dd
 
3 phases of the cycle seems ideal;
phase 1, 4AD
phase 2, 4AD, M1T
phase 3, M5AA

Someone was just toying with a similar cycle in another thread, and I have had good results from this. The M5AA needs to be run at 50-100mg, though IMO. I only weigh 180, and I needed 100mg/day.
Don't run M1T with another methyl, and yeah, no PH/PS's in PCT!
 
milwood said:
3 phases of the cycle seems ideal;
phase 1, 4AD
phase 2, 4AD, M1T
phase 3, M5AA

Someone was just toying with a similar cycle in another thread, and I have had good results from this. The M5AA needs to be run at 50-100mg, though IMO. I only weigh 180, and I needed 100mg/day.
Don't run M1T with another methyl, and yeah, no PH/PS's in PCT!
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I am planning a cycle like this, gonna start this week...is 300mg oral of 4ad enough for to front load? I'd like to conserve so I have enough 4ad to run another cycle since I will have left over m5aa and m1t...
 
Milwood has listed what I, so poorly, was alluding to. I think this would be a very good cycle. And ironmike64 weighs 280, so I wouldn't be surprised if he needs to exceed 100mg of m5 to get the desired results. But, always, start low and increase if needed. Everyone responds differently.

I think 300mg of 4ad oral is too low. I've personally never done oral 4ad, but 300mg td is a good dose. I believe it would take 800-1000mg oral to equal that. 300mg oral would be equal to or less than 100mg td. I don't know if that would do anything for anyone.

dd
 
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