Unanswered M-1-Alpha vs 1-Test

Alchemist11

Alchemist11

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Maybe dumb question, but then again, I remember there is no dumb questions.
What you guys have to say about these two compounds? Best dosage, what are pros and cons of each of them and which one would you prefer?
 
Alchemist11 said:
Maybe dumb question, but then again, I remember there is no dumb questions.
What you guys have to say about these two compounds? Best dosage, what are pros and cons of each of them and which one would you prefer?
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I’ve asked this question also, and I think I understand but the answer always confuses me more.
@Hyde @Old Witch
 
I want to say I’m 99% that it’s 1-AD which is 1-test. So it’s the oral version of dHB and is more pleasant than the injection, less fun on your appetite and energy levels.
 
M1A is Methyl-1AD. 40-60mg as the sole oral. 30mg could be useful stacked with another oral. I enjoyed this, reminded me of M1T with less intensity and sides.

1-Test is just that, and not bioavailable orally. You have to pin it, and by all accounts it’s gonna have serious PIP. Seems like 2-500mg per week in a stack is what I’ve read.

Or are you referring to M1T as the other option? M1T is a bazooka. It’s not subtle and it isn’t something you use for long. It will blast through any plateau.
 
So much odd info all over the internet:

PHP:
The active compound of Methyl-1-Alpha (m1a) prohormones is Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone. This compound converts to Methyl-1-Testosterone (m1t) at about 15-20%. In addition, m1a is already an active oral steroid which makes Alpha One a very potent prohormone !
 
Matthersby said:
So much odd info all over the internet:

PHP:
The active compound of Methyl-1-Alpha (m1a) prohormones is Methyl-1-Etiocholenolol-Epietiocholanolone. This compound converts to Methyl-1-Testosterone (m1t) at about 15-20%. In addition, m1a is already an active oral steroid which makes Alpha One a very potent prohormone !
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This info is correct for as much as I know man, why is it weird?
 
Yeah 1AD converts to 1-test. Both can be methylated. Non-methylated should be injected, but I hear people got excellent results from dosing 1AD orally, you just need really high doses, 10x+ what you’d take from M1AD.
 
Alchemist11 said:
Yes, I was thinking on 1AD in tittle. It has sence that you should dose higher, non-methylated orals.
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Guys were taking like 600-1,000mg daily of 1AD I believe, orally. It worked pretty well by all accounts and it was legal but nothing super magical to it. If you’re pinning already it’s not really worth anything to you unless you got some crazy deal on some and threw it in.
 
Hyde said:
Guys were taking like 600-1,000mg daily of 1AD I believe, orally. It worked pretty well by all accounts and it was legal but nothing super magical to it. If you’re pinning already it’s not really worth anything to you unless you got some crazy deal on some and threw it in.
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Well, I wanted to try 1-Test cyp injecrable, but I don't have it here, and our customs look up on every package... And also, I don't have access to any well dosed Msten anymore... So I considered to try M1T as kick for my next cycle or
M-1-A with Parabolan, Test and Primo
 
Alchemist11 said:
Well, I wanted to try 1-Test cyp injecrable, but I don't have it here, and our customs look up on every package... And also, I don't have access to any well dosed Msten anymore... So I considered to try M1T as kick for my next cycle or
M-1-A with Parabolan, Test and Primo
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M1A should be a great oral. M1T is ferociously toxic and unpleasant. Almost belongs in the halo or esterless category or something, short term to do great things, but not cycle 4-6 weeks. Most quit by week 4.
 
Matthersby said:
M1A should be a great oral. M1T is ferociously toxic and unpleasant. Almost belongs in the halo or esterless category or something, short term to do great things, but not cycle 4-6 weeks. Most quit by week 4.
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Yes, I've seen experiences about how horrible M1T can be lol...
The more I read about M1A, the more I think it will be suitable for my next cycle and possibly contest prep for Classic division.
 
M1T is for strength athletes or someone trying to get big as possible in 2-3 weeks. Otherwise M1A makes more sense. It will serve well for a 4 week kicker.
 
Alchemist11 said:
I hope I'll manage to get it and run it at 40 mg at least
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Let us know brother.
I’m up and running with my trainer for masters MP in March. It’s a little different taking direction from someone when I think I know what I’m doing. But that outside perspective that’s honest and unbiased and someone that’s competed for a decade is someone that can get me looking competition ready far better than I ever could.
 
Hyde said:
Yes. He went up to 60mg. I did a month of 40 recently in my stack and enjoyed it a lot. Plenty potent at 40mg - 60mg is if you wanna make it feel more like M1T.
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I hope I'll manage to get it and run it at 40 mg at least
Matthersby said:
Let us know brother.
I’m up and running with my trainer for masters MP in March. It’s a little different taking direction from someone when I think I know what I’m doing. But that outside perspective that’s honest and unbiased and someone that’s competed for a decade is someone that can get me looking competition ready far better than I ever could.
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I will, I'll log it, in detail, like every cycle so far. Our personal experiences help us each other here on this forum to get to know these compounds and make most out of it.
I also think it's good for us to have someone else the for critique and out of the box (at least 'our box') perspective. You have my support, crush it!
 
SwoleMax said:
You don't have access to any well dose Msten anymore ? You obviously have a computer , so what's the problem ? Lol

I can give you plenty of sources that are very easy to find.
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You clearly don't know how strict Serbian customs are.

And if you know some Msten that is dosed at 15 mg per cap, let me know, but I doubt that you'll find any that high.
 
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SwoleMax said:
Huh ? 1-andro converts to 1 test , and Predator has nano 1 test , which is a liquid you put under your tongue. So you do NOT have to pin 1 test . It's pretty damn gross though .
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That still doesn't make it orally bioavailable though, so Alchemist isn't incorrect. That sublingual 1-test is a one-off product, and technically you could do that with any unestered steroid with varying results.
 
SwoleMax said:
Huh ? 1-andro converts to 1 test , and Predator has nano 1 test , which is a liquid you put under your tongue. So you do NOT have to pin 1 test . It's pretty damn gross though .
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You are focusing on what you want to believe instead of looking at the point I am trying to make. 1-test powder can be ingested orally - you can eat testosterone orally, or any other steroid powder, like tren. But how much do you need to eat, and how much can you afford to waste vs if it was delivered intramuscularly? You will get a lot more from 1-test pinned than eaten, I promise you.

Have you read the reviews on Nano-1T? Guys taking double the dose of an already expensive product for what is by all accounts very minimal gains. People had to eat almost a gram/day of 1AD to get good gains, and that was only a really good option because it was legal at the time. Alchemist isn’t worried about avoiding oils; he’s looking for what’s available to him and affordable and effective.
 
SwoleMax said:
I read plenty of reviews on it and plenty of guys got good results from using the recommended dose. If it wasn't orally bioavailable , people would zero results and the product wouldn't be a best seller .
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Tell you what bud: you go right on with your Nano-1T and let Alchemist get on with the good stuff and we’ll agree to live and let live, hmm?

He just ran a longer test & parabolan cycle with Msten and anavar depot - he doesn’t need to **** around with overpriced Nano-1T liquid.
 
SwoleMax said:
I know a liquid dosed at 15 and some pills at 15 and 20 mgs. Not hard to find.
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Quite easy to find. However, near impossible to get shipped to your house when you live in one of dozens of countries that aren’t even close to as easy as the US is to get drugs through customs.
And I have not a clue what performance enhancing grey market drugs you can get shipped to Serbia. But I’m fairly certain Alchemist knows.
 
SwoleMax said:
Dips--t , I wasn't saying it was great and worth the money they charge . Lol
Learn English , all I was doing was proving the point wrong that is doesn't do anything. Someone here said that it wasn't orally bioavailable at all , which is obviously WRONG. Don't assume people are saying things that they have not written .
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All I can say is it’s the first time ever I see Hyde reacting that way but I’ve certainly seen you over and over be pretty agressive in your answers, often without reasons. You might wanna think about that
 
SwoleMax said:
So simply pointing out that I have read plenty of good reviews , which I have , countering his claim , is a perfectly good reason for Hyde to be rude to me ?
How dare I attempt to counter someone's point on here ? Yeah , the nerve of me. Was not aware Hyde is a God and it's illegal and against the site rules and against the rules of all societies to counter anything he claims . Lol
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Didn’t say You were wrong in this situation. I just think that you come off a little bit rough sometimes and I’m sure you really don’t mean it when it happens! Maybe he saw this in the past, making him less patient with you. I’m speculating tbh
 
Mathb33 said:
Didn’t say You were wrong in this situation. I just think that you come off a little bit rough sometimes and I’m sure you really don’t mean it when it happens! Maybe he saw this in the past, making him less patient with you. I’m speculating tbh
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I’m just a man; my tolerance for unnecessary debate is finite 🤷‍♂️

@SwoleMax relax. You can do what you like, but I’m not going to agree that consuming 1-test orally is worth Alchemist’s time for the cost when he is already loading oils into a syringe. My point is that 1-test isn’t bioavailable relative to a methylated oral like M1AD or M1T. He would be better off with DHB.
 
I don’t know the oral bioavailability of 1-test in that form.
But Hyde is pretty much Yoda when it comes to this stuff so arguing with him just seems like a dead end to me.
 
SwoleMax said:
So people getting good results with 1-andro and nano 1 test STILL doesn't make it orally bioavailable ??? Lol ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
You could maybe say it has low bioavailability ( but then I would still ask you to back that up with proof ) , but you are saying it is not bioavailable at all .
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1-andro is orally bioavailable, never disputed that. But no 1-test isn't, because you're not taking it orally (i.e. ingesting it) you're absorbing it via the blood vessels through a thin part of the skin in your mouth, same as taking it transdermally. You can do that with any normally injectable steroid in theory.
 
It's ok guys, we are all here because we have our own opinion about certan things and we do want to interact to learn or show more about these things. The biggest problem with that nano 1 test is that I think is realy poorely dosed for that high of a price. But, I also appreciate your input about that one. I have many options on the table until October, no hurry.
 
Mathb33 said:
😂😂 true! Sadly I didn’t find out how we use them though... I’m guessing you can’t on cellphone? Funny you mention it because I’m pretty sad I can’t abuse them
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I use it on my cellphone, just hold a bit longer 'like' option and it will pop up
 
SwoleMax said:
Yet again ..................1 test HAS TO BE at least somewhat bioavailable for people to get positive results from taking Predator's nano 1 test . That product is not an andro. It is orally bioavailable 1 test .
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I think the confusion is you don't understand that oral and sublingual are different routes of administration. Like I already said, Pred's 1-test is a sublingual product, you hold the liquid under your tongue so it absorbs through the skin into small blood vessels. If it was oral it would just be a case of swallowing caps.
 
SwoleMax said:
Well then I think this actually comes down to " orally bioavailable " has been being used wrong for a very long time then . Lol. Because technically sublingual IS being orally bioavailable . And for pills you would have to some word in front of bioavailable to mean stomach or liver . Really , a pill is NOT orally biovavailable as it sits in your mouth. It doesn't become bioavaialable until it gets digested.
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I don't know if you genuinely think that or if you're just trying to save face but that's totally incorrect. Oral and sublingual are both forms of enteral administration, but distinctly different. Again, nano 1-t is not oral, it's sublingual. This is just fact.
 
I just wanna say, for clarity, that I definitely do believe you could get some gains if you ate enough raw steroid powder, of basically any compound. But that has limitations - when Ryan Kennelly was in prison (drugs, taxes, steroids) he layed out his cycle for when he was trying to bench 1,000lbs in multiply. It was something to the effect of like 3,500mg total testosterone and a gram or so of Deca, with a load of dbol. He said he was taking so many shots daily he was having a hard time handling any more oil, so he had learned that (allegedly) some guys in Europe were eating steroid powder. He was mixing testosterone powder with a Tang drink mix and pinning slin to try to shuttle the hormones lol. He said he never found out if it worked really because it made him too sick to stay with it.

There was some guy on here, not in the US, who ended up with a big bag of Clostebol powder (not methylclostebol mind you). He didn’t wanna cook it and was just measuring and eating teaspoons of it daily, and he said he was getting results.

When I said 1-test wasn’t bioavailable initially, I was only saying it relative to a methylated oral for sake of practicality. I feel the same about it as high-dosed 4DHEA. I have taken a gram/day and it just can only do so much. Not very useful.
 
SwoleMax said:
Really ? Someone downvoted the TRUTH ? Lol. And it's not even someone in this conversation
That's like me saying the sky is blue and someone disagreeing with it.
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Are you really that butthurt over being disagreed with? Maybe online forums aren’t for you.
 
SwoleMax said:
Really ? Someone downvoted the TRUTH ? Lol. And it's not even someone in this conversation
That's like me saying the sky is blue and someone disagreeing with it.
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Are you really that butthurt over being disagreed with? Maybe online forums aren’t for you.
 
SwoleMax said:
You mean that's what you were saying in your head . Lol. That's NOT what you wrote. You just made that statement that it isn't bioavailable. Not trying to continue , just saying .......
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Nah, I stand by what I wrote.

Nano-1T or eating raw 1-Test isn’t something I’ll ever promote. You can just be mad about it if you like.
 
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