Low Test (lab results posted)

The Matrix said:
Normal means crap. Thyroid in blood measures 20% function does not measure other 80%.
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my cortisol results came back :

#1 Salivary Cortisol .785 (0.025-0.600)
Draw tome 7:30
#2 Salivary Cortisol .177 (0.010-0.330)
Draw tome 12:00
#3 Salivary Cortisol .056 (0.010-0.200)
Draw tome 17:00
#4 Salivary Cortisol .035 (0.010-0.090)
Draw tome 22:00

My Am cortisol is high which would probably explain the zombie like feeling i get every morning when i try to get up for work (it wasn't even that bad on my drawing day so i suspect it to be a little higher on other days)

I'm still waiting on the TT,FT, SHBG, DHEAS

would this increase in cortisol have that much of effect on my T level ?
Also i asked my doctor to test zinc level (trying to narrow down the low alkaline phosphatase thing)
 
3 years ago I had low t symptoms. Got multiple blood tests and my total test was anywhere from 340(lowest) to 505(highest). Lh was always around 5 and FSH was 4 I believe. In other words I was in the same boat as you. Test was lowish but not horribly low, and the lh FSH looked decent. Well I wasn't horny at all and I was gaining abdominal fat and losing muscle mass. Regular doctor didn't wanna treat me because I was within the range, so I went to an anti aging clinic and got on trt. Lemme tell u something bro, I tried a high fat diet, eggs bacon etc... Vitamin d, test boosters, sleep cycles, water therapy, asking Jesus, bla bla bla. U name it I did it. Don't waste Ur time anymore. You ain't getting any younger. Just get on that test. 200mg once a week in the butt. It ain't perfect but it's a hell of alot better than struggling at 400 with a borderline low free test(which btw is exactly what I had as well).
 
Punkrocker said:
3 years ago I had low t symptoms. Got multiple blood tests and my total test was anywhere from 340(lowest) to 505(highest). Lh was always around 5 and FSH was 4 I believe. In other words I was in the same boat as you. Test was lowish but not horribly low, and the lh FSH looked decent. Well I wasn't horny at all and I was gaining abdominal fat and losing muscle mass. Regular doctor didn't wanna treat me because I was within the range, so I went to an anti aging clinic and got on trt. Lemme tell u something bro, I tried a high fat diet, eggs bacon etc... Vitamin d, test boosters, sleep cycles, water therapy, asking Jesus, bla bla bla. U name it I did it. Don't waste Ur time anymore. You ain't getting any younger. Just get on that test. 200mg once a week in the butt. It ain't perfect but it's a hell of alot better than struggling at 400 with a borderline low free test(which btw is exactly what I had as well).
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I hear you man , and i know I'm gonna end up there sooner or later , but i'm trying to exhaust all other routes before i head this way. If i can get myself to the 600 mark i'll be happy
 
Punkrocker said:
3 years ago I had low t symptoms. Got multiple blood tests and my total test was anywhere from 340(lowest) to 505(highest). Lh was always around 5 and FSH was 4 I believe. In other words I was in the same boat as you. Test was lowish but not horribly low, and the lh FSH looked decent. Well I wasn't horny at all and I was gaining abdominal fat and losing muscle mass. Regular doctor didn't wanna treat me because I was within the range, so I went to an anti aging clinic and got on trt. Lemme tell u something bro, I tried a high fat diet, eggs bacon etc... Vitamin d, test boosters, sleep cycles, water therapy, asking Jesus, bla bla bla. U name it I did it. Don't waste Ur time anymore. You ain't getting any younger. Just get on that test. 200mg once a week in the butt. It ain't perfect but it's a hell of alot better than struggling at 400 with a borderline low free test(which btw is exactly what I had as well).
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Amen. Exact same boat brother. Glad you found a solution.
 
kafahmy said:
I hear you man , and i know I'm gonna end up there sooner or later , but i'm trying to exhaust all other routes before i head this way. If i can get myself to the 600 mark i'll be happy
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Just my opinion, if you feel like crap at 400, you'll feel like crap at 600. Chances are at your age you were probably around 800 and something happened which dropped u to 400 and obviously that is something u will notice. My 52 year old friend from the gym who cycles gear has a total test of 720 when he's off cycle. My 55 year old uncle has a total test of 850!! And my 47 year old friend Tommy has recently noticed a lowered sex drive and loss of energy. He got his levels checked at he was at 650 and he wants to do something about it. I'm telling you man, just get on test. You're just gonna waste time that you could have used to utilize test therapy and stay in good shape and be healthy and happier. I hate to sound pessimistic, but honestly I'm just being realistic. Get on testosterone.
 
Mr.TT said:
OK, you get your FT, TT, SHBG, E2(not sensitive), DHEAs (sulfate), and LH, numbers and you may narrow this down.
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The remaing test results came back and for some reason i can't upload the screenshot.

TT 543 ng/dl (348-1197)
FT 9.4 pg/ml ( 9.3 - 26.5)
DHEA-S 322.1 ug/dl (138.5 - 475.2)
SHBG 37.2 nmol/l (16.5 - 55.9)

So SHBG is normal, DHEA-S normal, TT higher than before (no change in diet or supplementation ..if anything i'm using less of the preworkout ) Free test still low for some reason.

So what seems to be the problem ? Also, How come my testesterone level came back 70 point higer than last time (only 2 weeks apart from my previous test).
I'd say the lab results ate not reliable but to be honest somedays i wake up feeling ripped, energized, more focused and motivated (high testesterone level signs) and other days i just wake up with much more fats around my hips ( can't even fiy my pants) and midsection and feeling like crab

Plus if SHBG is within range , why is my FT at the lowest range ?..I'm even more confused now !
 
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Do you eat Soy OR take Ginseng? (photoestrogens ?)

Stinging Nettles Root Extract MAY help kick some of that TT into becoming free raising FT.

If we assume ( ass-u-me) that your LH and E2 on your previous labs are accurate, then I am without an
explanation for your, bottom of range, FT levels.

Do you supplement MB12? (Methyl vitamin B12)
 
This ^^^^. Order up the female hormone panel (it's for males as well) for about $65 (coupon code exists).
 
Mr.TT said:
Consider privatemdlabs

Do you eat Soy OR take Ginseng? (photoestrogens ?)

Stinging Nettles Root Extract MAY help kick some of that TT into becoming free raising FT.

If we assume ( ass-u-me) that your LH and E2 on your previous labs are accurate, then I am without an
explanation for your, bottom of range, FT levels.

Do you supplement MB12? (Methyl vitamin B12)
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My b12 is in the upper range (tested previously during a check up) and no i never eat soy or ginseng

I ordered some tongkat Ali and will do it for a month before i go get retested ( privatelabs this time)

The only thing missing right now is zinc level, this should show up within the next few days.

I'm running out of options now i guess :// ...God i'll hate going on TRT at my age
 
UPDATE:

So i decided to consider trt/hcg treatment now that nothing else has worked. For me to make up my mind and commit to such a treatment i was hoping to avoid, i decided to go on cialis for couple weeks (it does raises testesterone dramatically in my case if applied on a regular basis and i have blood work to prove it) i felt amazing in terms of focus, motivation, body composition and libido. This made me decide that i do not live with my 450 test level any more. I spoke with someone at defy and will book an appointment with Dr Saya. I do really hope that this is a good decision and that i won't regret it few years from now.
Thanks everyone for ur help and wish me luck :)
 
kafahmy said:
UPDATE:

So i decided to consider trt/hcg treatment now that nothing else has worked. For me to make up my mind and commit to such a treatment i was hoping to avoid, i decided to go on cialis for couple weeks (it does raises testesterone dramatically in my case if applied on a regular basis and i have blood work to prove it) i felt amazing in terms of focus, motivation, body composition and libido. This made me decide that i do not live with my 450 test level any more. I spoke with someone at defy and will book an appointment with Dr Saya. I do really hope that this is a good decision and that i won't regret it few years from now.
Thanks everyone for ur help and wish me luck :)
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iF CIALIS works why are you going for TRT?
 
I do RC cialis around 6mg twice a week seems to be my sweet spot .

Why i'm I going trt instead of Cialis, well for the following and this is all based on personel experience:
1) i don't want to keep takingRC drug on a regular basis for the rest of my life..no one knows if this thing is legit..it's effective for sure but who knows what's actually in it!
2) i don't want to deal with stuffy nose and headache everyday
3) i don't wanna have fake erection 10 times a day
4) i noticed that it negatively affects my memory if used long term (maybe it's just me since all published papers claim the complete opposite)
5) it affects my vision
5) cialis test bosting effect is accomplished by lowering estrogen , there is no way u can control that and hence u get side effects from way too low estrogen and then u got to stop for a while...it's just too much of a headache and sides to jump me from mid 400's to mid 500s

Finally now that i know what's wrong with me ..i'd better get on actual treatment
 
400 to 500 is not that great a jump tbh. You could achieve that without the sides with some of the 'better' natty test boosters. So totally understand. Strange choice through to go for Cialis and not something like Clomid/Nolva these would have bumped your t much higher with possibly less sides
 
My lh is already at the high end so clomid would do more harm than good

As for cialis, i didn't know about it's ability to raise ur test ...i noticed the effect kf leaning out and having fuller muscle while on it and then i got tested and scored 570 ..unfortunately i didn't get the other numbers coz that was the only test my stupid doctor ordered. But i knew this ain't my test level so i quit for a month and got retested and i found myself back in the 400s plus i noticed that my brain fog is worse my energy level is pretty low , i lost strength at the gym...that's how i learned about the effect.

Trust me i am really not happy about going trt but i'm sick of wasting my life feeling like crap
 
kafahmy said:
My lh is already at the high end so clomid would do more harm than good

As for cialis, i didn't know about it's ability to raise ur test ...i noticed the effect kf leaning out and having fuller muscle while on it and then i got tested and scored 570 ..unfortunately i didn't get the other numbers coz that was the only test my stupid doctor ordered. But i knew this ain't my test level so i quit for a month and got retested and i found myself back in the 400s plus i noticed that my brain fog is worse my energy level is pretty low , i lost strength at the gym...that's how i learned about the effect.

Trust me i am really not happy about going trt but i'm sick of wasting my life feeling like crap
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You're going to enjoy trt. Your metabolism and anabolism are going to greatly improve along with your sleep pattern. The beginning will be bumpy as you find the right dose and test to estrogen ratio that works for you, but once you got that in check you will be happy
 
I disagree that those are low levels.

The FSH and LH in the context of those testosterone values suggest that is very normal for you. If you had now-normal test and high-normal pituitary tropic hormones I'd be willing to entertain the notion of primary hypogonadism. But, that's not the case at all, so it's unlikely.

Do not work under the assumption that peoples physiology is similar enough that one persons test level of 450 isn't capable of producing the same results as another persons 1,000. Physiology is far more complicated than that.

Additionally, don't conflate your results with Cialis to mean that you will also feel just as good on testosterone replacement therapy. That's an extrapolation at best. On the note of Cialis, worth mentioning is that those side effects you don't like tend to go away for people who have daily use.

Last, consider that TRT is not totally benign. If you had truly low levels of testosterone then you're better off treating it. But, with what appear to be otherwise normal values, assuming any symptoms/problems you may have (which I didn't see listed) are the results of testosterone and jumping to treatment of it isn't necessarily wise. Many other things may be contributing. By starting TRT you risk permanent damage to your HPGA (yes, it happens), reduced fertility, and more. Not to mention how it might affect people (women, children, etc.) if you choose a topical.
 
This **** is nuts. The army defines as 195 and lower to be considered Low T. Even at 125, the doc prescribed 4 pumps a day @10mg/pump. Granted my levels are probably in the mid 200's and will find out this week. I would kill for that number
 
The Matrix said:
Clomid will increase shbg which is not a good thing. Again shbg goes up in gut and liver inflammation not seen on blood work. With alk phosp low then is a huge indicator of endocrine system imbalance which commonly associated with low thyroid or adrenals. I would suggest getting a ZRT 4 point cortisol test done then look at lifestyle and other daily stresses. Just changing the source of water supply in many cases resolves the issue due to some areas have higher concentration of pharmaceutical or industry toxins in the client's area. I had a doctor fly who was training with us. We hosted them for a week in our house. 3 days there they felt a lot better. The water they were drink is 3.50 per gallon. It's more then a gallon of gasoline. We also have special air machines purifiers to remove mycotoxins or pathogens as well as showering with special shower filtering heads. Our house has been specifically modified to remove any environment toxin or exposure.
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Can you recommend water/shower and air purifier brands you use?
 
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