Ok will retest. Thanks.
Lol I did. Re read post.
I don't recall it being called that so likely it's as you wrote....serum test
That is not exactly true. Some people metabolize test very well and won’t need an AI up high test. It’s clearly not normal that his E is LOW though.
I agree is kind of abnormal so I'll be repeating it this week. If my doctor will write the order.
Which isn’t very surprising.. where are you from?
LA and lift at Gold's Venice so imma look for an MD near there. Got to be MDs in that area that are chill. That area is super anabolic lol
No. He may tolerate a higher E2 number, but the body WILL aromatize to a significant extent once testosterone levels go beyond 1,200ng/dL. It is impossible for an E2 to remain in normal range with high test dosages. But, you would be correct that some people don't need an AI even on these high doses. However, their E2 levels would be very high proportionally to the amount of test used.
It is impossible? I will not start an argument with you but we completly disagree and there’s multiple bloodworks showing otherwise.
Correct. We'll agree to disagree. I stand by my statement.
Your words mean nothing to me I don’t even know who you are. My last bloodworks on a cruise dose of 250mg showed 1550ish TT and E at 33. Exactly where my values always are on a cruise. Plenty people here have similar values on a cruise while other people aromatize heavily on low doses such as 150mg weekly.
You may have thought about this ... If you are friendly with any other members, you could ask them for recommendations.
Then you are using underdosed Testosterone if 250mg per week only has you at 1550. You have exceptional genetics though if this is legit that have those Test:E2 ratios if not taking any AI.
Look up Syn Pharma, most respected Canadian lab , most bought and most used by Canadian pro. They get tested by users daily and nobody can deny their reputation which is 19 years+ of flawless gear.
I completly agree with you it’s out of the ordinary and I didn’t say it was a regular thing, I simply didn’t agree with you that it’s IMPOSSIBLE.
Just like genetics play a part in aromitization, they also play a part in how much added Testosterone will up a person's Test levels when checked.
This is agree with. There are people that do require more testosterone to reach the same testosterone level as another.
Now that you change your words I do agree with you.
It is likely underdosed. I have used Test. Cyp. from Walgreens pharmacy and 100mg, divided in (50mg E3.5D) per week puts me at ~1,200ng/dL.
Just the fact you mention Syn being underdosed makes you ignorant. Let’s end this conversation. It’s so ignorant to point out a certain amount puts you at a certain level so it makes different experiences underdosed if they are not having the same results. Laughable... go look a bit into the forums there’s plenty plenty people who need 200mg just to get to 800ish (Pharma grade
That isn't being ignorant. It is merely an observation based on evidence. In this case, my own test levels on 100mg weekly on Test. Cyp. The only way I can prove it, is if you switched to Test. Cyp. from a pharmacy. No need to get mad.
You are comparing two humans as an evidence. It is absurdly stupid. There’s people on this forum with a 200mg script from their doc to put them around 900. My script is 150mg which puts me around 850-900.
I agreed that different doses puts people at different test levels. And that some need more to reach the same test level. So why are you using Syn test, if you can get pharmacy test? Your SHBG must be low, which is why you need a lot more to reach a higher test level.
It depends man. On a lot of factors.
I can’t remember which chart I’ve seen and where but 1500-1600 TT on 250mg test is above average so it’s certainly not being a bad "responder" as this guy make it to be. Such levels on 250mg with estrogen in range without Ai Is actually what I call pretty good genetics.
What is your SHBG level? 250mg would likely put me over 3,000 ng/dL. Lol.
Yep. Something is wrong. He is either posting some other estrogen ie Estrone, not Estradiol, or a lab error. OR, he is on an AI of some kind...
What you’re saying right now is as dumb as if someone very very strong was saying wow your 1rm on squat is 650? I could EASILY do 975 on a bad day. It doesn’t make 650 a bad squat. If 250mg puts you at 3000+ you’re in the 1% of the society and your case is EXTREMELY RARE. you obviously aren’t super well documented. Go look at worldwide charts and test dosages. Go see the average levels of men’s at 100,150,250,300,500. A fair amount of males need 500 to reach 3000+.
ShBG has nothing to do with total test....it only controls how much FREE test is available
I would agree I am in the smaller percentage of males that would get a level that high with a dose like that. However, I would surmise that 250mg would put an average male at closer to 2,000 at least. Again, SHBG is the great equalizer variable here.
Nope. That is incorrect. Low SHBG WILL prevent a total test level from getting as high compared to if it were normal/high.
No, you are wrong.
Wrong. It was well explained above.
I'm surprised you have been on here for 10 years, and don't know more...
You are the one that is mistaken. You are correct about the Free Test being high in the low SHBG case.
You'd be surprised if you knew the knowledge I possess. I'm correct on this.
Just the fact you say "I bet" "I’d bet that this would happen" says that you have absolutely nothing but your own thoughts to back this up. You’re assuming things. Your whole paragraph is assumptions that are false. I dare you to find studies and proofs that says youre right. Anything except "I bet that if you take a giant group of males this would happen" lol.. you won’t. While I could find 25 studies backing up what kisaj said.
Yes. You would be surprised what Gamer knows though...
It’s simply because people read what they want to read. My last little paragraph is exactly what’s really going on with it but I think je interpreted it the wrong way.
Saved me a lot of typing. lol
It comes down to the dosage of Test used. My example of the groups w/Low and High SHBG still stands. It depends on what is meant by 'High' and 'Low. A SHBG of 30-50 would be normal to high normal and this individual will have a much higher total test, when compared to someone below SHBG of 30. However, yes you are correct that if a person had a very high SHBG of say 60+, then they would have a very low Free Testosterone level. But, again this person would have an even higher total test level than the 30-50 SHBG person. I'm done talking about this.
Yes I did and will do. Thanks.
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