LOW DOSE PRIMO

[Sam1.]

Hi, I would like to hear personal experiences on low primobolan dosages, wondering if one cycle (200 testosterone / 300 primobolan) would be enough during a cut for the muscles thanks to the testosterone dose and at the same time still appear quite full thanks to the primobolan, all this with very few side effects.
or even 250 testosterone / 200 primobolan to make sure don't crash e2.

 

[BBiceps]

200/200 is good for a cut, it should be enough to feel/look good. I’ve never gone lower than 400/400 though but I wasn’t cutting either.

 

[Sam1.]

200/200 is good for a cut, it should be enough to feel/look good. I’ve never gone lower than 400/400 though but I wasn’t cutting either.

last year i was quite satisfied with just 20mg of ostarine, 200mg of primobolan is more than 20mg of ostarine ?? i love strength, 250 testosterone / 200 primobolan during a cut could I also see improvements on bench / deadlift / squat?

 

[Nac]

You could be better off running masteron instead of primo then.

There's lots of variables at play here (aggressiveness of cut, your current training, sleep, etc etc).

Talking very generally, certain compounds will tend to be "better" at accomplishing certain things. Masteron, will tend to be better at promoting "strength" than primobolan.

 

[BBiceps]

last year i was quite satisfied with just 20mg of ostarine, 200mg of primobolan is more than 20mg of ostarine ?? i love strength, 250 testosterone / 200 primobolan during a cut could I also see improvements on bench / deadlift / squat?

Well, regardless of drug I doubt you’ll see any strength improvements during a cut.

 

[LeanEngineer]

Well, regardless of drug I doubt you’ll see any strength improvements during a cut.

Agreed here. Super difficult to see any strength gains if you're doing your cut right.

 

[Sam1.]

You could be better off running masteron instead of primo then.

There's lots of variables at play here (aggressiveness of cut, your current training, sleep, etc etc).

Talking very generally, certain compounds will tend to be "better" at accomplishing certain things. Masteron, will tend to be better at promoting "strength" than primobolan.

i was thinking between
1) 200 test/300 primo
2) 200 test/20mg rad

 

[BBiceps]

i was thinking between
1) 200 test/300 primo
2) 200 test/20mg rad

I think you need to rethink your way of cycling if you are deciding between Rad and Primo, very weird vs question.

 

[Sam1.]

I think you need to rethink your way of cycling if you are deciding between Rad and Primo, very weird vs question.

Why do you think are they so different? Both clean compound, people say primobolan similar anavar, at the same time they Say anavar similar rad, so rad similar proviron

 

[BBiceps]

Why do you think are they so different? Both clean compound, people say primobolan similar anavar, at the same time they Say anavar similar rad, so rad similar proviron

Because Rad is an oral that you use for 4-6 weeks, Primo is something you use for 12+ weeks.

Also, Rad is not similar to Var or Prov, which is also very different for each other.

 

[Sam1.]

Poiché Rad è un orale che usi per 4-6 settimane, Primo è qualcosa che usi per più di 12 settimane.

Inoltre, Rad non è simile a Var o Prov, che sono anche molto diversi tra loro.
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non so perché ho scritto proviron intendevo primobolan vedo spesso rad correre per 10 settimane

 

[KvanH]

In inglese per favore = )

Edit: got it.

Ok, you meant Primo, not Proviron in your previous post. Yes, Rad and other sarms are often ran for 8 weeks or more. Still Primo, Rad and Anavar are quite different compounds.

 

[Sam1.]

the purpose of my cycle is to accompany me during the cut that I can usually do in 8/12 weeks and then accompany me in the reverse diet phase until the return to high calorie which could happen in 4 weeks, at which point detach the compounds wait 3 / 4 weeks using LGD 10mg + proviron 25mg + hcg after this start my PCT 25mg clomid, that's why I thought testo + primobolan is the best choice, because my cycle could get quite long depending on how long my cut will take, it could during the complete cycle even 15/16 weeks

 

[KvanH]

the purpose of my cycle is to accompany me during the cut that I can usually do in 8/12 weeks and then accompany me in the reverse diet phase until the return to high calorie which could happen in 4 weeks, at which point detach the compounds wait 3 / 4 weeks using LGD 10mg + proviron 25mg + hcg after this start my PCT 25mg clomid, that's why I thought testo + primobolan is the best choice, because my cycle could get quite long depending on how long my cut will take, it could during the complete cycle even 15/16 weeks

I don't know much about Primo, but it certainly would be the least unhealthy option, from the ones you've listed. So when you're doing a cycle of that lenght and going to follow it with LGD+Proviron, while the test clears, then I think using only injectables before the LGD+Prov is the best option. Either test only or test+Primo or test+Mast. Can't really comment on dosing myself.

 

[Smont]

Why do you think are they so different? Both clean compound, people say primobolan similar anavar, at the same time they Say anavar similar rad, so rad similar proviron

They have nothing in common and primo is not similar to anavar either, rad is not similar to proviron.

Where are you getting your information?

Primo is similar to masteron, in fact, at low doses I would absolutely choose mast. I just started a cycle actually and it's 300 test 200mast and from now on I'm probably going to make those two things the base of My cycles.

You might say lgd 4033 or even ostarine ( even though I personally hate ostarine) is similar to anavar on a mg to mg basis in the 10-40mg range.

I don't think I could compare rad to anything.

In general the sarms are not comparable to real steroids

 

[Sam1.]

Non hanno nulla in comune e nemmeno primo è simile ad anavar, rad non è simile a proviron.

Dove prendi le tue informazioni?

Primo è simile al masteron, infatti a basse dosi sceglierei assolutamente mast. In realtà ho appena iniziato un ciclo ed è 300 test 200mast e d'ora in poi probabilmente farò di queste due cose la base dei miei cicli.

Si potrebbe dire che l'lgd 4033 o anche l'ostarina (anche se personalmente odio l'ostarina) è simile all'anavar su una base da mg a mg nell'intervallo 10-40 mg.

Non credo di poter paragonare rad a niente.

In generale i sarm non sono paragonabili ai veri steroidi
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WHy do you prefer mast over primo for low dose?

 

[Smont]

Your worried to much about the compounds, you can bulk on anything and cut on anything because your results come from your diet.

Pick the kinds of steroids or whatever that you like! Things that don't give you side effects and your diet determines the results.
First I wanna say that all steroids are going to be doing something at any dose.

Primo is a slow steady gainer with pretty much zero side effects, but it shines at higher doses like 600+,

200 will still be doing something but it's going to be doing very little and doing it so slowly you'll never really notice anything.

Masteron at 200-400 mg I still will get no side effects, but I will notice a few very benificial things.
Increased performance in the gym and to a small degree in the bedroom.
Better mind muscle connection, more agressive but positive agression. Faster decision making, more assertive. All good stuff, not negative agression.
And I feel like it contributes to a lean muscular look.

So for me personally, better gym performance and a better cosmetic appearance.

If your not already lean your most likely not going to get the cosmetic effect. But the better gym performance is going to drive better workouts and increases in strength and therefore long-term increases in more muscle.

Weather I'm bulking or cutting I find that benificial.

On 300 test 200mast right now and will probably stay on that for 10 weeks while messing around with some peptides. After 10 weeks I'll make a decision on whether or not I want to increase the dose to 450/300 or keep it the same and add another compound

 

[Smont]

Also keep in mind that primo is very highly faked, and when they give you a fake it's usually Master on that they put in its place

 

[Alistair_]

I don't know much about Primo, but it certainly would be the least unhealthy option, from the ones you've listed. So when you're doing a cycle of that lenght and going to follow it with LGD+Proviron, while the test clears, then I think using only injectables before the LGD+Prov is the best option. Either test only or test+Primo or test+Mast. Can't really comment on dosing myself.

You’re right, you know absolutely nothing about primo or you would know it’s one of the safest, mildest AAS ever invented. Primo in most cases will have no impact on lipids where SARMS can F your lipids.

 

[KvanH]

You’re right, you know absolutely nothing about primo or you would know it’s one of the safest, mildest AAS ever invented. Primo in most cases will have no impact on lipids where SARMS can F your lipids.

Yes, those are the kind of things I hear about it and I said "least unhealthy".

 

[BBiceps]

You’re right, you know absolutely nothing about primo or you would know it’s one of the safest, mildest AAS ever invented. Primo in most cases will have no impact on lipids where SARMS can F your lipids.

What did he say for you to think he said something else about Primo?

 

[Codybenz]

I think alistair mis-read “least unhealthy”

 

[Uncle_E]

Interesting thread of bad information and corrections. I just acquired a vial of primo for a future run. I have limited experience with anabolics and like the sound of lean tissue gains with limited sides. @Smont is really selling me on mast though. As much as I want lean tissue gains, strength is always the ultimate goal.

 

[Smont]

Interesting thread of bad information and corrections. I just acquired a vial of primo for a future run. I have limited experience with anabolics and like the sound of lean tissue gains with limited sides. @Smont is really selling me on mast though. As much as I want lean tissue gains, strength is always the ultimate goal.

As long as you don't go crazy on the dose I feel like mast is a fairly healthy add on to any cycle, if my goal was pure mass then no, I wouldn't opt for low doses of test and mast. But I would still use test and mast and add in something like eq, deca or npp would probably be more optimal for mass but I don't handle prolactin sides well

 

[Sam1.]

in all this I am still undecided, I believe that I will do my cut for 10 weeks with only 10mg of rad so as not to send my htpa to 0, after the 10 weeks I will do 15 weeks 250 testosterone + 300 primobolan that will accompany the end of the my cut and the slow return to the mass

 

[Smont]

in all this I am still undecided, I believe that I will do my cut for 10 weeks with only 10mg of rad so as not to send my htpa to 0, after the 10 weeks I will do 15 weeks 250 testosterone + 300 primobolan that will accompany the end of the my cut and the slow return to the mass

Your gameplan sucks.

How many cycles have you ran previously and what did those cycles consist of.

Your missing the most important part.

The cycle you choose make no difference, your diet and training/cardio do. Then you sprinkle some gear on top of your proper diet and training and the results get better.

But if your diet and training stayed correct for the entire 12-15 weeks of a bulk or cut, weather you choose test and deca, or test only, or test and primo, your results are going to be 99% the same.

Ditch the whole rad 140 idea, it's not going to do anything on your cut.

What is your past cycle/steroids history, what do you already have experience with

 

[Sam1.]

Il tuo piano di gioco fa schifo.

Quanti cicli hai eseguito in precedenza e in cosa consistevano quei cicli.

Ti manca la parte più importante.

Il ciclo che scegli non fa alcuna differenza, la tua dieta e il tuo allenamento/cardio lo fanno. Quindi cospargi un po' di attrezzatura sulla tua dieta e sul tuo allenamento corretti e i risultati migliorano.

Ma se la tua dieta e il tuo allenamento sono rimasti corretti per le intere 12-15 settimane di massa o taglio, se scegli test e deca, o solo test, o test e primo, i tuoi risultati saranno uguali al 99%.

Abbandona l'intera idea rad 140, non farà nulla sul tuo taglio.

Qual è la tua storia passata di ciclo/steroidi, con cosa hai già esperienza?
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Ostarine during a cut and a 14 weeks 500mg test

 

[Sam1.]

Your gameplan sucks.

How many cycles have you ran previously and what did those cycles consist of.

Your missing the most important part.

The cycle you choose make no difference, your diet and training/cardio do. Then you sprinkle some gear on top of your proper diet and training and the results get better.

But if your diet and training stayed correct for the entire 12-15 weeks of a bulk or cut, weather you choose test and deca, or test only, or test and primo, your results are going to be 99% the same.

Ditch the whole rad 140 idea, it's not going to do anything on your cut.

What is your past cycle/steroids history, what do you already have experience with

and above all I know how to structure a diet

 

[KvanH]

in all this I am still undecided, I believe that I will do my cut for 10 weeks with only 10mg of rad so as not to send my htpa to 0, after the 10 weeks I will do 15 weeks 250 testosterone + 300 primobolan that will accompany the end of the my cut and the slow return to the mass

So you're planning a 25 week cycle, but you're also concerned about hpta suppression? I'd bet the 10 mg of Rad to have you pretty suppressed by the 6th week at the latest.

The 10 weeks of Rad before the injectable cycle makes very little sense, imo. Forget the Rad, do your cut without suppressive gear, accept the temporary lean mass loss during the cut, if you experience some and know that you'll regain everything back very quick and will continue to add lean mass, when you start your cycle (if eating accordingly). Wether you saved the few lbs of lean mass with the Rad or lost it for a moment, it makes no difference to the end result. The 10 weeks of Rad is just unnecessary stress on your body in this scenario, imo.

 

[Smont]

Here's the thing about loosing muscle mass on a cut. If your a normal size person you don't need to be concerned with it unless you're on some kind of extreme crash diet.

If you're like 10-15lbs beyond what is naturally obtainable you still don't need to worry too much but a little gear will make the process smoother.

Now if you look like fukin Ronnie Coleman and your walking around with 50-100lbs of steroid built muscle, these are the guys that need to worry about losing muscle on a cut because they're the only ones who have enough muscle to lose that's going to be noticeable.

If you plan on running multiple cycles then worrying about suppression is pointless, if your gonna run more then 1 cycle in a year one can make the argument pct is pointless.

You already ran osta and 500 test, that's going to be stronger then the rad and stronger then the test primo you laid out, test is way better at putting on muscle then primo. Anyone who doesn't believe that then drop your test completely and replace the exact same amount of the milligrams with primo and let me know how you make out.

Stop overcomplicating things. Drop the rad, diet till you reach your desired bodyfat percentage and then add some gear. Problem solved

 

[Smont]

I'm also not a fan of running anything higher then test.