Low dose of Havoc?

[Badhabitz]

I have small case of gyno in right nip. Would like to run a low dose of Havoc @ 10 mg a day, 2-4 weeks? Can I cycle this with Furazadrol, Drive, and Rpm? Do I need a post cycle therapy? What would be a good post cycle therapy with OTC products? Any other ideas?
I am 4 weeks into the Anabolic Diet. Any other supplements I should use?

Goals:
1) Cut fat to 10% bf and gain muscle in arms, shoulders, and calves. While maintaining muscle in chest, back, and quads.
2) Increase strength, endurance, and flexibility.

31 years of age.
6'2"
250 lbs
20% bf
15 years lifting
Post prosteroid experience - 1ad, sns products, and legal gear products.

 

[krogtaar]

havoc/epi usually reduce gyno while on cycle...not sure what extent it comes back afterwards though. Ive been thinking of a cycle like 6 weeks at 10-20 mg havoc and 6 weeks on torem tapering down to reduce it

 

[AnonyMoose]

I have small case of gyno in right nip. Would like to run a low dose of Havoc @ 10 mg a day, 2-4 weeks? Can I cycle this with Furazadrol, Drive, and Rpm? Do I need a post cycle therapy? What would be a good post cycle therapy with OTC products? Any other ideas?
I am 4 weeks into the Anabolic Diet. Any other supplements I should use?

Goals:
1) Cut fat and gain muscle in arms, shoulders, and calves.
2) Increase strength, endurance, and flexibility.

31 years of age.
6'2"
250 lbs
20% bf
15 years lifting
Post prosteroid experience - 1ad, sns products, and legal gear products.

i personnally am not sure about faruz with epi however it would be reccommended with a halo-50 product. maybe someone else can chirp in. you might want to start at 10 but go up to 20 for a low effective dose to reach your goals. drive and rpm can be taken with this but you might want to apply it during pct to help keep your gains.

your pct should include a serm, test booster, and an ai product. there's two schools of thought on the ai. start high and decrease or the other way around. search on epi pct in the pct section and decide which may be best for you. my experience has been running the ai high and decreasing with great results.

best - moose

 

[ThisGuy02]

i personnally am not sure about faruz with epi however it would be reccommended with a halo-50 product. maybe someone else can chirp in. you might want to start at 10 but go up to 20 for a low effective dose to reach your goals. drive and rpm can be taken with this but you might want to apply it during post cycle therapy to help keep your gains.

your post cycle therapy should include a serm, test booster, and an ai product. there's two schools of thought on the ai. start high and decrease or the other way around. search on epi post cycle therapy in the post cycle therapy section and decide which may be best for you. my experience has been running the ai high and decreasing with great results.

best - moose

The two are supposed to work very well together, actually. There are a number of threads on it and all the reviews seem to be pretty good.

As for the AI question, you're right, people suggest both ways, and I've personally tried both with success. If it helps with your decision, the start low go high method is the one Dr. D has recommended.

 

[AnonyMoose]

The two are supposed to work very well together, actually. There are a number of threads on it and all the reviews seem to be pretty good.

As for the AI question, you're right, people suggest both ways, and I've personally tried both with success. If it helps with your decision, the start low go high method is the one Dr. D has recommended.

thats great - i did not mean to be right on the first part - just unsure. thanks for the clarification.

is faruz a methyl. from my understanding its close to orastan e which was originally in the beast stack with halo. i am assuming its a low methyl and since epi is too - could break the don't do more than one methyl rule at the same time. however gespari's literature promoted it with halo. the write-up for epi suggests combining something wet but not a hardening agent with epi - so that's where i was coming from. but if it works and people had success - that's documentation.

 

[ThisGuy02]

thats great - i did not mean to be right on the first part - just unsure. thanks for the clarification.

is faruz a methyl. from my understanding its close to orastan e which was originally in the beast stack with halo. i am assuming its a low methyl and since epi is too - could break the don't do more than one methyl rule at the same time. however gespari's literature promoted it with halo. the write-up for epi suggests combining something wet but not a hardening agent with epi - so that's where i was coming from. but if it works and people had success - that's documentation.

No, you're partly right. It's supposed to stack wonderfully with halo-50 (hemadrol, h-drol, etc.), but if you think about it, it's the same thing in terms of stacking two dry compounds.

As for the methyl, yes it is, but again, you are correct. It's supposed to be very mild.

 

[AnonyMoose]

No, you're partly right. It's supposed to stack wonderfully with halo-50 (hemadrol, h-drol, etc.), but if you think about it, it's the same thing in terms of stacking two dry compounds.

As for the methyl, yes it is, but again, you are correct. It's supposed to be very mild.

again - its not about being right. its about the best information so appropriate decisions and choices can be made.

if you want to stack to drys - then yes it meets your purpose. did the write suggest two dries - not sure but i am sure they reccommened to stack wet.

after researching the product further - it is a non-methyl. so we aren't talking about the same harm associated with taking methyl's simultaniously.

hope that helps.


now - do as you do or reccommend your opinion. let the scientists figure and sort out the specifics. i was very clear in documenting what was written and pointing out where i was sure and unsure.

moose

 

[ThisGuy02]

again - its not about being right. its about the best information so appropriate decisions and choices can be made.

if you want to stack to drys - then yes it meets your purpose. did the write suggest two dries - not sure but i am sure they reccommened to stack wet.

after researching the product further - it is a non-methyl. so we aren't talking about the same harm associated with taking methyl's simultaniously.

hope that helps.


now - do as you do or reccommend your opinion. let the scientists figure and sort out the specifics. i was very clear in documenting what was written and pointing out where i was sure and unsure.

moose

I think our communication fell through somewhere here, Moose, and I apologize if you mistook me. I'm not trying to debate with you, in fact, I was trying to give you credit on a good point. As for letting the scientists sort out the facts, I agree, but scientists don't generally give recommendations on what a good stack is and so we all rely on the experiences and wisdom gained through trial and error by our fellow enthusiasts, and likewise, hope that we can contribute our experiences to help others.

Regarding stacking a wet and a dry, that's a common practice, and is widely suggested, if for no other reason than to spare your joints. But you can run two dries together in a cut. People do it all the time with winstrol/tren (or winztrol/TRN in the ph world, which I've done with great success). Also, halo is not a wet compound. In fact, it is a particularly dry compound, and I can speak from experience on this, as I had to completely give up cardio the first time I ran it because my knees hurt so much. Super Cissus helped the second time around.

Insofar as the methyls are concerned, I was mistaken, which can happen when you're speaking off the top of your head, and for which I appologize. I was thinking that it did contribute to strain on the liver , but now remember that the caution I'd read was actually regarding blood pressure, which it seems to raise frequently in users. For that matter, so does halo, and it would be advisable to make sure hawthorneberry is in place to offset this if that stack was being used.

 

[AnonyMoose]

I think our communication fell through somewhere here, Moose, and I apologize if you mistook me. I'm not trying to debate with you, in fact, I was trying to give you credit on a good point. As for letting the scientists sort out the facts, I agree, but scientists don't generally give recommendations on what a good stack is and so we all rely on the experiences and wisdom gained through trial and error by our fellow enthusiasts, and likewise, hope that we can contribute our experiences to help others.

Regarding stacking a wet and a dry, that's a common practice, and is widely suggested, if for no other reason than to spare your joints. But you can run two dries together in a cut. People do it all the time with winstrol/tren (or winztrol/TRN in the ph world, which I've done with great success). Also, halo is not a wet compound. In fact, it is a particularly dry compound, and I can speak from experience on this, as I had to completely give up cardio the first time I ran it because my knees hurt so much. Super Cissus helped the second time around.

Insofar as the methyls are concerned, I was mistaken, which can happen when you're speaking off the top of your head, and for which I appologize. I was thinking that it did contribute to strain on the liver , but now remember that the caution I'd read was actually regarding blood pressure, which it seems to raise frequently in users. For that matter, so does halo, and it would be advisable to make sure hawthorneberry is in place to offset this if that stack was being used.

yes our comm's are crossing - but no big deal.

actually - i might have offended you - you are saying in paragarph one exactly what i meant in my earlier comment. maybe i overgenarilzed the throught and did not get the point out there more succintly in words.

i applaud your second paragraph - but i never said you can't run two dries together - i also didn't say halo was wet. i only talked about the manuafacturers reccommended stacking options and stated that. so gespari indicates a dry dry and the epi write-up indicates a dry wet. if you already knew that about the products - you'd know that was what i was saying. but thanks for stating what i already knew. because i didn't mention it, doesn't mean i didn't know that. but someone else might of not known and now they do!

on a side note - i don't think with blood pressure it takes two to tangle - that can happen with a single new substance introduced to the system. i believe liver damage is the real question.

you are very knowledgeable! my work is done - I now defer all of my subsequent replies in this thread to you now.

regards - moose

 

[pist]

Furazadrol is not methylated.

5a-etioallocholan (2,3-) furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether 50mg

 

[AnonyMoose]

has anyone had experience with both faruz and prostanzonol or orastan-e to comment how comparable these compounds are?