Low dose NPP with TRT Test?

[Jinsun]

I know it's a good idea to have higher test then deca bc of the DNH issue regarding deca dick. But dose the same apply to npp?

Supposed cycle is 100mg test and npp going from 200 to 300 (start/end cycle), combined with low dose orals (tbol, dbol, SD), some at the end and some at the beginning. Goal.is to not have/consume much more then 500mg - 600mg (weekly) of androgens at any given time. So really don't want 300 - 400 test on this one.

Anybody done trt test with npp?

Tnx

 

[Jinsun]

Bump

 

[CroLifter]

I am in the same boat, ie. I dont want to go over roughly 500mg weekly.

That is how i am going to design my next cycle, the second half. Only i am not going to run npp but tren a.

I got test e and tren a on hand so will start off with 500 test and in the second half of the cycle halve the test dose and add in tren a @ ~150mg per week and if all is good (big if), further lower the test and increase tren a to 210mg (30 a day), will probably run proviron alongside, still have to come up with the plan of action on dosing proviron as i dont want to use it everyday for 10-12 weeks.

i would personally go for it. Low test / higher anabolic seems to be the way to go from what i am reading. Npp sounds great for adding size and tbh i would probably go with it alongside test if i already didnt have tren a. Already spent too much money on gear so i decided to use what i have.

I wouldnt worry about ed issues there are far bigger concerns with blasting gear.
Libido is a hit or miss on steroids anyway (mostly non existent for me), so why not at least get the gains?

I heard nothing but good stuff abput test/npp. And if i were to run nandrolone, i would pick npp over deca anytime, i like the idea of stuff kicking in fast and leaving the body fast.
Would go with test prop if i already didnt have a stash of enanthate.

Adding an oral for kickstart is definitely interesting, tbol is the one i was entertaining the idea about throwing in but not really sure, dont think so, with tren a in the mix cycle will be toxic enough by itself.

 

[bad rad]

I've done similar dosing and didn't have issues but I usually don't with 19-Nors. NPP was really dry and kind of androgenic compared to Deca for me.

 

[Jinsun]

I am in the same boat, ie. I dont want to go over roughly 500mg weekly.

That is how i am going to design my next cycle, the second half. Only i am not going to run npp but tren a.

I got test e and tren a on hand so will start off with 500 test and in the second half of the cycle halve the test dose and add in tren a @ ~150mg per week and if all is good (big if), further lower the test and increase tren a to 210mg (30 a day), will probably run proviron alongside, still have to come up with the plan of action on dosing proviron as i dont want to use it everyday for 10-12 weeks.

i would personally go for it. Low test / higher anabolic seems to be the way to go from what i am reading. Npp sounds great for adding size and tbh i would probably go with it alongside test if i already didnt have tren a. Already spent too much money on gear so i decided to use what i have.

I wouldnt worry about ed issues there are far bigger concerns with blasting gear.
Libido is a hit or miss on steroids anyway (mostly non existent for me), so why not at least get the gains?

I heard nothing but good stuff abput test/npp. And if i were to run nandrolone, i would pick npp over deca anytime, i like the idea of stuff kicking in fast and leaving the body fast.
Would go with test prop if i already didnt have a stash of enanthate.

Adding an oral for kickstart is definitely interesting, tbol is the one i was entertaining the idea about throwing in but not really sure, dont think so, with tren a in the mix cycle will be toxic enough by itself.

My biggest concern is prostate. I feel it on every cycle.

I got dbol, SD and tbol. Dbol and tbol are from pharmacom, so I am looking forward to that. Npp is SIS.

I have to much trouble sleeping to even consider tren.

 

[Jinsun]

I've done similar dosing and didn't have issues but I usually don't with 19-Nors. NPP was really dry and kind of androgenic compared to Deca for me.

Damn. Hope it agrees with my prostate : /

 

[CroLifter]

My biggest concern is prostate. I feel it on every cycle.

I got dbol, SD and tbol. Dbol and tbol are from pharmacom, so I am looking forward to that. Npp is SIS.

I have to much trouble sleeping to even consider tren.

As far as i know test is the biggest offender here. Keep it at replacement dose, nandrolone is less androgenic, even less androgenic is dhn, dihydronandrolone.

So dont use finasteride with this cycle as it will actually make the nandrolone more androgenic. You want the most anabolic compounds with the least androgenicity.

I have ran test, masteron and proviron and neither aggravated my prostate.
However, transdermal 11 ketotestosterone did, i felt it and was like wtf. And i was 21 years old at the time. Probably applying it to the testicles (a portion of the daily dose) played a part in prostate aggravation.

 

[Jinsun]

As far as i know test is the biggest offender here. Keep it at replacement dose, nandrolone is less androgenic, even less androgenic is dhn, dihydronandrolone.

So dont use finasteride with this cycle as it will actually make the nandrolone more androgenic. You want the most anabolic compounds with the least androgenicity.

I have ran test, masteron and proviron and neither aggravated my prostate.
However, transdermal 11 ketotestosterone did, i felt it and was like wtf. And i was 21 years old at the time. Probably applying it to the testicles (a portion of the daily dose) played a part in prostate aggravation.

lawl you did what? XD

20mg dbol and 5mg SD and I'm already feeling it. Looks like I'll have to do without dbol... : /

 

[CroLifter]

lawl you did what? XD

20mg dbol and 5mg SD and I'm already feeling it. Looks like I'll have to do without dbol... : /

Yeah i wanted hogher absorption. It did burn though, but not badly.

I was easily pissed off on that cycle. Similar to how clomid makes me feel.

btw dhn is notorious for competing with dht in certain tissues eg penis and therefore it can cause ed... so maybe the dhn will help fight the dht at the prostate...not sure...but maybe it will.

 

[Jinsun]

Yeah i wanted hogher absorption. It did burn though, but not badly.

I was easily pissed off on that cycle. Similar to how clomid makes me feel.

btw dhn is notorious for competing with dht in certain tissues eg penis and therefore it can cause ed... so maybe the dhn will help fight the dht at the prostate...not sure...but maybe it will.

Heh, I doubt that will make a difference. I'll see how it goes. I'll start off with 150 and go up from there. I have 3g's of it.

Maybe I should try low dose tren once, as you are planning to do. But for now, let's see how npp and tbol treats me. Never tried tbol b4, so interested in how it goes.

Hope dhn wont be to big of a problem with npp. If I start getting ed, I'll stop immediately.

 

[CroLifter]

Heh, I doubt that will make a difference. I'll see how it goes. I'll start off with 150 and go up from there. I have 3g's of it.

Maybe I should try low dose tren once, as you are planning to do. But for now, let's see how npp and tbol treats me. Never tried tbol b4, so interested in how it goes.

Hope dhn wont be to big of a problem with npp. If I start getting ed, I'll stop immediately.

From experience, libido is a hit or miss on cycle, mostly a miss for me.

So i wouldnt immediately blame it on npp if it goes down. I would keep at it as i heard that npp is a fantastic mass builder.

And concerning tren a, perhaps npp would be better suited to my goal (slow bulk) but i am going to keep estrogen higher and anecdotally it seems to be the thing to do when running tren for mass.

And as i said, i need to stop spending so much money on gear lol, so going with what i have.

 

[Jinsun]

@Mathb33 @Matthersby @Renew1 @Chados any of you used NPP with low test?

 

[Brain5ick]

I’m currently doing about 500mg NPP per week and 300 test. Was on 200 test which was fine but I bumped it up a little. Needed caber recently but otherwise I like it.

 

[Mathb33]

@Mathb33 @Matthersby @Renew1 @Chados any of you used NPP with low test?

I’ve used 400 test with 650npp with amazing results. Only side was I couldn’t sleep for ****.

 

[CroLifter]

Needed caber recently but otherwise I like it.

Gyno flare up?

I needed caber to suppress gyno i got while running mk677 with hcg but now that i am off hcg i dont have issues. So it was elevated estrogen in combination with prolactin that was causing issues.

 

[Brain5ick]

No, just low sex drive.

 

[CroLifter]

No, just low sex drive.

That can be so many things man...

Anyway, not going to preach over here hahahaha

All i know is that my next cycle i am going to try to do away with ai's (and dopamine agonists, caber is harsh drug and also suppresses growth hormone) and split the doses to more frequent smaller pins throughout the week and run proviron to suppress potential gyno flare ups. I want maximal gains hehe.

Maybe some ralox if i start having sensitivity, not sure if it decreases igf 1 like ai's and nolva though.

 

[Jinsun]

I’ve used 400 test with 650npp with amazing results. Only side was I couldn’t sleep for ****.

Oh chit, really? Damn, I was under the impression npp is not that bad re sleep.

Tnx.

 

[Jinsun]

I’m currently doing about 500mg NPP per week and 300 test. Was on 200 test which was fine but I bumped it up a little. Needed caber recently but otherwise I like it.

Great to hear that. Tnx.

 

[Mathb33]

Oh chit, really? Damn, I was under the impression npp is not that bad re sleep.

Tnx.

Tbh it’s not as bad as deca or tren would be npp is usually side free almost expect the sleep issue which is like flipping a coin some ppl get it some don’t.. my prolactin was a little high so that certainly was a main factor for my shitty

 

[Mathb33]

Oh chit, really? Damn, I was under the impression npp is not that bad re sleep.

Tnx.

Tbh it’s not as bad as deca or tren would be npp is usually side free almost expect the sleep issue which is like flipping a coin some ppl get it some don’t.. my prolactin was a little high so that certainly was a main factor for my shitty sleep

 

[Mathb33]

Oh chit, really? Damn, I was under the impression npp is not that bad re sleep.

Tnx.

Tbh it’s not as bad as deca or tren would be npp is usually side free almost expect the sleep issue which is like flipping a coin some ppl get it some don’t.. my prolactin was a little high so that certainly was a main factor for my shitty sleep

 

[ChocolateClen]

Interesting because my next cycle is npp and low ish dose test.

 

[ChocolateClen]

Interesting because my next cycle is npp and low ish dose test.

 

[Nac]

I exclusively run "low" test (300mg). Just add my blast compounds on top.

Personally, I think anything less than 500mg NPP is meh.

 

[Jinsun]

I exclusively run "low" test (300mg). Just add my blast compounds on top.

Personally, I think anything less than 500mg NPP is meh.

Never had problems with ed?
How long did you run it for and how often do you pin it? Tnx

 

[Nac]

Never had problems with ed?
How long did you run it for and how often do you pin it? Tnx

Yes, I usually run a little TD trest with NPP, definitely helps with libido, but Im resigned to weaker erections with NPP.

I blast it for 6 weeks, thats enough for me.

I tend to pin it 4x per week, but Ive done as few as 3pins pw and cant honestly say I notice any difference.

 

[Jinsun]

Yes, I usually run a little TD trest with NPP, definitely helps with libido, but Im resigned to weaker erections with NPP.

I blast it for 6 weeks, thats enough for me.

I tend to pin it 4x per week, but Ive done as few as 3pins pw and cant honestly say I notice any difference.

Damn. That's not the best news I was hoping for, but tnx for sharing.

6 weeks at 500. Is that enough? I was/am planing on taking it for 10 - 12 weeks at 200 (starting) - 400 (ending)...
The only thing I was thinking is; am I willing to tolerate almost ed pining for so long...

I have a girl that we're all hot and heavy atm, so if I start getting signs of ed, I am straight up quitting npp/cycle. This just takes the priority, I don't care.

 

[Chados]

@Mathb33 @Matthersby @Renew1 @Chados any of you used NPP with low test?

Yes i have, low test is just easier with the bloat and estrogen, obviously higher test would be more efficient for gains but its not all about the gains.

 

[Mathb33]

@Jinsun no way NPP makes someone totally unable to have erections unless he’s on ridiculous doses... personally I had the best sex ever on NPP just because i went from coming in about 10ishmins of "fucking" to pounding for 30+ mins. It took me MUCH longer to come and I’m not someone that comes really fast anyways. If you wanna make sure just take like 5mg cialis twice a week bro and you’re set.

 

[Jinsun]

Yes i have, low test is just easier with the bloat and estrogen, obviously higher test would be more efficient for gains but its not all about the gains.

Tnx mate!

 

[CroLifter]

So you are running 200-400mg of npp? Alongside 100 test?

Will be following. Baseline and progress pics would be welcome.

 

[Jinsun]

@Jinsun no way NPP makes someone totally unable to have erections unless he’s on ridiculous doses... personally I had the best sex ever on NPP just because i went from coming in about 10ishmins of "fucking" to pounding for 30+ mins. It took me MUCH longer to come and I’m not someone that comes really fast anyways. If you wanna make sure just take like 5mg cialis twice a week bro and you’re set.

Oh really? : D That sounds great. I easily get overexcited. Have this chic atm that I'm all over, we're sexting all the time and by the time I get to see her at the evening... well u get the point.

 

[Jinsun]

So you are running 200-400mg of npp? Alongside 100 test?

Will be following. Baseline and progress pics would be welcome.

Nop. Will be. Currently I am only on orals. Dbol and SD. 1 st. week. Starting at 10mg dbol and 5mg SD. Low numbers I know, but I am noticing results. I have training dialled in and I notice results very quickly. Also, I can't afford to much instability in my life, so I am taking it really really carefully.

After 4 weeks of light orals, I am going to NPP and test and HCG. Point is to minimise shutdown for the duration of the cycle. But all of this is subject to change. I don't set fixed cycle layouts. I go by how it goes (feel, labs, life ...).

 

[Jinsun]

Will be following. Baseline and progress pics would be welcome.

Tnx. I might open a cycle log.