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Low dose 11 keto....

PARASXOS

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Hey guys. My situation goes like this.

I wanna use 11 keto (or 11 oxo) to help me with cutting a little. The thing is I don't wanna use high dosage, in order to avoid side effects like hair loss. So goal is to help with cortisol control mostly.. I was thinking 150 mg transdermal or 400 mg orally for 2 months top...

Is it worth it?
 
150mg transdermal should be a decent dose. IMO and experience though, 11-KT is so mild that you should almost experience no sides at all. I really would doubt you would experience any hair loss, but of its a major concern just get yourself a bottle of Nizoral shampoo. 11-KT really should be run high to be worth the price. For example, Prototype Nutrition's 11-Spray was 250mg a dose, and our Ultra-11 is 200mg in a superior carrier and with more accurate dosing.

An alternative would be 7-KT as it isn't hormonal and controls cortisol through the same pathway.

My code "Ape" will save you 20% over the Iconic website.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
150mg transdermal should be a decent dose. IMO and experience though, 11-KT is so mild that you should almost experience no sides at all. I really would doubt you would experience any hair loss, but of its a major concern just get yourself a bottle of Nizoral shampoo. 11-KT really should be run high to be worth the price. For example, Prototype Nutrition's 11-Spray was 250mg a dose, and our Ultra-11 is 200mg in a superior carrier and with more accurate dosing.

An alternative would be 7-KT as it isn't hormonal and controls cortisol through the same pathway.

My code "Ape" will save you 20% over the Iconic website.
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I agree, except that I would rather choose b-aet, if looking to replace the 11-KT. To my knowledge, 7-keto is more for thermogenesis/metabolism boost and doesn't doesn't really affect cortisol that much. ?
 
KvanH said:
I agree, except that I would rather choose b-aet, if looking to replace the 11-KT. To my knowledge, 7-keto is more for thermogenesis/metabolism boost and doesn't doesn't really affect cortisol that much. ?
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B aet did nothing for me in the past unfortunately...
 
PARASXOS said:
B aet did nothing for me in the past unfortunately...
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Ok. The possible hair shedding is very individual and if one is predisposed to hair loss, then even 11-KT can expedite the process, although most users don't have that issue with 11-KT. So I guess you just have to try and see. One non hormonal option would be Reduce XT.
 
KvanH said:
Ok. The possible hair shedding is very individual and if one is predisposed to hair loss, then even 11-KT can expedite the process, although most users don't have that issue with 11-KT. So I guess you just have to try and see. One non hormonal option would be Reduce XT.
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Yep you are right. I Ve used high dosage 11 oxo in the past and it wrecked my hair, so I guess 11 keto can do that too. I have to really think about it, maybe put some nizoral or maybe just go with the easy non hormonal route.. hair loss sucks
 
PARASXOS said:
hair loss sucks
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Hairless might suck, but a bald head doesn't.

I can grow as thick of hair as anyone else, but choose to shave it completely bald. I actually look better bald with a beard. So as long as you have a decent shape to your head, I'd roll with it. Besides, it should grow back.
 
Will 150mg even do anything?

I remember guys back in the day running 11oxo at 900-1200mg, 600 was considered a low dose
 
Smont said:
Will 150mg even do anything?

I remember guys back in the day running 11oxo at 900-1200mg, 600 was considered a low dose
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11-KT is estimated (by some users) to be about 4 times effective, as 11-oxo. I know that's just 'random' guesstimations, but going by that 150 mg 11-KT ≈ 600 mg. I've seen some reports on people getting decent body comp results with under 200 mg of 11-KT.
 
So for 11kt I see there are two products from iconic formulations icon11 and ultra 11 which is super expensive.. which one to choose...?
 
PARASXOS said:
So for 11kt I see there are two products from iconic formulations icon11 and ultra 11 which is super expensive.. which one to choose...?
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I chose U-11. I buy from Europe and I calculated it to be so, that they are pretty much the same value. So 1 x U-11 = 2 x Icon-11 for price and amount of active ingridient, where I bought mine.

So how much you'll want and do you prefer the gel or the dropper.
 
KvanH said:
I chose U-11. I buy from Europe and I calculated it to be so, that they are pretty much the same value. So 1 x U-11 = 2 x Icon-11 for price and amount of active ingridient, where I bought mine.

So how much you'll want and do you prefer the gel or the dropper.
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Damn... Bye bye money then... :(
 
PARASXOS said:
Damn... Bye bye money then... :(
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11-KT has always been extremely expensive. Gotta keep an eye out for deals. I recently picked up two bottles of 11-Spray on ebay for $50 each. Andros in general are pricey. Probably cause they work. lol

My rep code "Ape" will save you 20% at the Iconic and Iron Legion websites. And def subscribe to our emails. We run 30% off deals pretty regularly.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
11-KT has always been extremely expensive. Gotta keep an eye out for deals. I recently picked up two bottles of 11-Spray on ebay for $50 each. Andros in general are pricey. Probably cause they work. lol

My rep code "Ape" will save you 20% at the Iconic and Iron Legion websites. And def subscribe to our emails. We run 30% off deals pretty regularly.
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You might want to update your sig. It says 25%, not 20%.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
11-KT has always been extremely expensive. Gotta keep an eye out for deals. I recently picked up two bottles of 11-Spray on ebay for $50 each. Andros in general are pricey. Probably cause they work. lol

My rep code "Ape" will save you 20% at the Iconic and Iron Legion websites. And def subscribe to our emails. We run 30% off deals pretty regularly.
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Well 11-KT is a "designer" and designer things are usually pricier.........................lol.
 
PARASXOS said:
Hey guys. My situation goes like this.

I wanna use 11 keto (or 11 oxo) to help me with cutting a little. The thing is I don't wanna use high dosage, in order to avoid side effects like hair loss. So goal is to help with cortisol control mostly.. I was thinking 150 mg transdermal or 400 mg orally for 2 months top...

Is it worth it?
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Just ran it at 300mg a day for 6 weeks and I was very pleased, maybe a little bit of lethargy towards the end but libido still high. Did not feel like anything close to sarms or andros in terms of suppression. Imo I'd try to run it higher. No hairloss.
 
Infiknite said:
Just ran it at 300mg a day for 6 weeks and I was very pleased, maybe a little bit of lethargy towards the end but libido still high. Did not feel like anything close to sarms or andros in terms of suppression. Imo I'd try to run it higher. No hairloss.
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Transdermal?
 
Just ran it at 300mg a day for 6 weeks and I was very pleased, maybe a little bit of lethargy towards the end but libido still high. Did not feel like anything close to sarms or andros in terms of suppression. Imo I'd try to run it higher. No hairloss.
Ape McGrapes said:
Transdermal?
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Yes it seems quite more a lot .... ?

@tenorguy33
Thank's i was try this last week, on knee and The love handles , it's seems work already...

I wait for my order about Triton.

And somebody... ? So can i mix Apex Alchemy AET and C11 on same moment ( may be not on same skin surface)
 
Oliver Kween said:
Just ran it at 300mg a day for 6 weeks and I was very pleased, maybe a little bit of lethargy towards the end but libido still high. Did not feel like anything close to sarms or andros in terms of suppression. Imo I'd try to run it higher. No hairloss.


Yes it seems quite more a lot .... ?

@tenorguy33
Thank's i was try this last week, on knee and The love handles , it's seems work already...

I wait for my order about Triton.

And somebody... ? So can i mix Apex Alchemy AET and C11 on same moment ( may be not on same skin surface)
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Yes, you can use both, but apply to different areas or at different times.
 
Does anyone actually believe 11-KT has spot reduction properties? I've seen it mention when applying to the abdomen, but not sure I've ever noticed it myself.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Does anyone actually believe 11-KT has spot reduction properties? I've seen it mention when applying to the abdomen, but not sure I've ever noticed it myself.
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Haven't noticed myself either, but I do feel like I've had veins popping out in the areas I apply 11-kt. But I'm using thin skin areas as application sites anyways and am cutting, so might be non related.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
Does anyone actually believe 11-KT has spot reduction properties? I've seen it mention when applying to the abdomen, but not sure I've ever noticed it myself.
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I've been doing it for a week already, and there are small, fairly minimal changes. I guess it will show on the length, I still have 2 weeks left. I want to supplement with a fat burner, like ephedra. And restrict the food a bit
 
Im running 150-300Mg of fusion 11-oxo at the moment, only 4 days in can't feel much yet, other than bait of a fuzzy head! hoping for some more definition... Still taking creatine and training 6 days a week (36 male- 15 years training). Should results vie very obvious after my 3-4 week cycle?

Thanks
Josh
 
Suthers100 said:
Im running 150-300Mg of fusion 11-oxo at the moment, only 4 days in can't feel much yet, other than bait of a fuzzy head! hoping for some more definition... Still taking creatine and training 6 days a week (36 male- 15 years training). Should results vie very obvious after my 3-4 week cycle?

Thanks
Josh
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You're not gonna feel much after 4 days on most anything, and *feeling it* isn't a reliable guide to whether it's working anyway. Also as mentioned above 11-oxo is much less potent than 11-keto, 300 oral is a low dose, and it's a very mild compound to begin with. What's your diet?
 
Hi, thanks for the reply. Yeah you're right 'feeling it' isn't the best way to describe a change. My goals are fat lose and to firm up, im 5.9 and 83kg and have trained for over 15 years. I train very hard 6 days a week and am careful with my diet but find it impossible to firm the bottom of stomach up (and lower back). So not looking for huge muscle gains as I'm happy with my size and strength. Im also a teacher so don't want anything strong that can affect my sleep or mood. Thanks
 
Suthers100 said:
Im running 150-300Mg of fusion 11-oxo at the moment, only 4 days in can't feel much yet, other than bait of a fuzzy head! hoping for some more definition... Still taking creatine and training 6 days a week (36 male- 15 years training). Should results vie very obvious after my 3-4 week cycle?

Thanks
Josh
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I think you're wasting money and product. 600 mg of 11-oxo is considered the minimun effective dose by many. Many choose to go to 1 000 mg a day and even beyond. I used 11-oxo once in a stack at 600 mg a day. Couldn't really tell if it did anything, but I did have a pretty successful cut, so maybe it helped. 3-4 weeks is also a short time to really notice anything.
 
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Thanks for that, did you feel any sides from it? Got quite a stressful job and a young family so keen to avoid many negative sides! Many Thanks
 
Suthers100 said:
Thanks for that, did you feel any sides from it? Got quite a stressful job and a young family so keen to avoid many negative sides! Many Thanks
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Well it was a part of a stack, but no I don't think I experienced any sides to note on that run. On the contrary, I've seen some people report slightly better mood, libido and drive on 11-oxo/11-keto. These should also lower cortisol, so in theory at least can be beneficial in managing stress.
 
I get better mood and energy on 11-keto at around 150mg, great for maintaining mass and losing stubborn fat while cutting with no negative side effects. Price point is annoying but worth it once or twice a year
 
Ape McGrapes said:
150mg transdermal should be a decent dose. IMO and experience though, 11-KT is so mild that you should almost experience no sides at all. I really would doubt you would experience any hair loss, but of its a major concern just get yourself a bottle of Nizoral shampoo. 11-KT really should be run high to be worth the price. For example, Prototype Nutrition's 11-Spray was 250mg a dose, and our Ultra-11 is 200mg in a superior carrier and with more accurate dosing.

An alternative would be 7-KT as it isn't hormonal and controls cortisol through the same pathway.

My code "Ape" will save you 20% over the Iconic website.
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How long would u run 11keto .. I am using icon11 which is the same formula as iron legion using 2ml a day so like 170mg feeling great so far was thinking 8 weeks ?? Thought big grape 🍇
 
Haterank74 said:
How long would u run 11keto .. I am using icon11 which is the same formula as iron legion using 2ml a day so like 170mg feeling great so far was thinking 8 weeks ?? Thought big grape 🍇
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8 weeks minimum. 12 weeks is my preferred cycle length for Andros. Returns seem to diminish after that.
 
Ape McGrapes said:
8 weeks minimum. 12 weeks is my preferred cycle length for Andros. Returns seem to diminish after that.
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Thanks 🍇 I got 3 bottles of Icon11 so I will get anouther bottle to 2ml every AM will get me about 8 weeks total.. Thanks again def notice strength already which is wild for something mild. Icon11 is so easy love droppers and Rob is a good dude so I always support iconic. Him and Steve at sNS are top notch in this field. Appreciate you man
 
Ape McGrapes said:
8 weeks minimum. 12 weeks is my preferred cycle length for Andros. Returns seem to diminish after that.
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just got my 4th bottle of icon11 today so i can go 8 weeks thanks grapes on sale for like $158 for 4 bottles so 8 weeks seemed great deal and its icon11 so easy to apply dropper
 
Infiknite said:
Just ran it at 300mg a day for 6 weeks and I was very pleased, maybe a little bit of lethargy towards the end but libido still high. Did not feel like anything close to sarms or andros in terms of suppression. Imo I'd try to run it higher. No hairloss.
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what brand
 
PARASXOS said:
Guys with xi kt, the dosing should be split am pm or all in one? 2 ml ed
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I run anything hormonal in the AM 11k is vey mild I’m running its 2ml now and no sides with 3 epi andro .

Dose it all AM on shoulders 1ml each side , shoulders neck upper chest area. I’d also add in there liquid 7keto nice 7/11 stack

Again the great thing about transdermal is all in one dose you will absorb it over the day I love anything in there iron legion salvo it’s really easy on the skin and absorbs well.

1ml is about 85mg of 11keto so 2ml is a good 170mg dose I try to be around 200mg for results leaning , slight strength, smaller waist feel good like from increase DHT libido and sex drive.

Also run it 8-12 weeks as it’s very mild and easy to PCT from if you even need a SERM I usually always use a SERM but imho 11k and 3epiandro are pretty mild but I still use cycle assist.

Any further questions reach out buddy but yeah can’t go wrong transdermal and iron legion , iconic formulations and alpha gains are all great stuff . Look into icon 11 lockout has a bunch and has a new year code it’s the same stuff your on
 
Xi kt, i havent noticed anything to be honest.. almost finishing 2cond bottle, have one more and one month left to diet. Beeing in a big deficit and havent lost any strength but honestly this propably has happened due to my precise training-diet and not on xi kt i think. Anyways, on pct should i use something to avoid cortisol rebound or im good with only my serm.
 
PARASXOS said:
Xi kt, i havent noticed anything to be honest.. almost finishing 2cond bottle, have one more and one month left to diet. Beeing in a big deficit and havent lost any strength but honestly this propably has happened due to my precise training-diet and not on xi kt i think. Anyways, on pct should i use something to avoid cortisol rebound or im good with only my serm.
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U can if u want. What serm ? I don’t think u can go wrong adding a cortisol product either way
 
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