Please let me know as soon as it comes!!
The main thing is no hair loss. Lucky I just decided to check y'all out. I was just about to purchase some Nor-ADerm. I feel certain y'all can beat that price. BTW when is it coming in (sorry I am sure y'all have said). I feel like a total newbie on this site. I guess I am.Humor me. What are the advantages of 19 nor? Cutting? Gaining? Whya re we looking forward to getting it.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thanks Bro'.Bump....Im not as excited as Jake but I cant wait....and labrad, great to see you over here....
As I gear up for national release the powders will come from an appropriate source. For the ones that want a nor trans I have a few hundred grams from a China base on the way.Originally posted by 1Fast400
He posted the other day that he had inquired about it at Ergo Pharm. They are the Patent holders for 19Nor and 4AD. It would only be right that he purchase it from them.
For the ones that want a nor trans I have a few hundred grams from a China base on the way
The few hundred grams that I have from China are for specific bros that requested it. When I release the products on a national level the powders will be sourced from the patent holder.Originally posted by GNCOwner
So your not buying your Nor from the patent holder?
Um.....I didn't say anything....but I will now that you mention it.1fast drop the patent thing everyone knows about it.... Thank you...
Mike, I never made reference to the claims that PA has rights to with his patent. I never manufactured the compound either. His patent is intact and I have NOT violated it (or so I'm told). This is the retainer speaking but from an ethical standpoint may be pretty shitty. The fact of the matter is that I had a good deal from China with a combo order and this was convenient at the time. Now that it is time to re-order and looking to the future my vendor will definitely be PA. Sure my first 2 kilos were not his but the next 60 will be...Originally posted by 1Fast400
Um.....I didn't say anything....but I will now that you mention it.
It bothers me that on the bb.com thread where BDC was attacked, he came in an mentioned about his business ethics. How he wouldn't copy Par's formula due to respect from a business standpoint. I understand he is doing a good thing for guys, by giving them a place to talk about homebrews. To be honest I don't have issue with him buying stuff from china. Don't go onto a board talking about how you respect business ethics when you obviously violate patent laws (on 4AD and now on 19 Nor).
His patent is intact and I have NOT violated it (or so I'm told).
The fact of the matter is that I had a good deal from China with a combo order and this was convenient at the time.
Now that it is time to re-order and looking to the future my vendor will definitely be PA.
So, Mike, where do you stand with your boldione?
But when it does are you going to rethink your source? When that time comes why not have purchased from him all along? Only minor differences...Originally posted by 1Fast400
Nice attempt to redirect......1 BIG difference, 1-4andro doesn't have a patent, 4-AD/19Nor do.
But when it does are you going to rethink your source? When that time comes why not have purchased from him all along? Only minor differences...
If you can find anything posted where I have been against you, please show it. The only thing I had issue with was supplying Curt hormones when you sold them. That made little/no sense to me.Mike, you've had a bend for me going on months now.
It's time to stop with the anit-BDC routine.
Once again, just show me proof. I don't put you down as a business. I just don't like your actions of saying one thing, but doing another...you have a history of doing that.I have stayed true to my endorsement of your business and service regardless of the mud slinging that was going on at the time...from whatever board.
I can see why you would say this as I'm sure you don't want this side of you seen. I'll let it go from this point. My closing statement is this: I have no issue with you buying crap from china. Just don't around talking about your professional business ethics (I would have quoted exactly what you said, but the thread at bb.com as been deleted) when it is obvious that you violate certain business codes (patent laws). I find it funny how you attempted to change the subject earlier rather than answer my question. If Par had done something similar this board would have attacked him to no end.If you have issues with me personally then I suggest we handle them via telephone or email.
Yea Mike....Its not appealing to come to someone's site and help out and answer questions, then when you're liked, slam someone or make an attempt to down their business or their character,
I guess you don't realize how serious a patent violation is. If I was a "bad" guy, I would have never said anything. Then he would have larger amounts bought from china. Upon larger production the patent holder could come in and seize all of his products which contained 4AD/19Nor. Please don't give this lecture of "Mr. do good". As stated, if I was out to make BDC look bad, I'd be on every major message board going off about this.its obvious to me that you've came to that site with that attidude and if you go back to read a lot of your posts here, you never really have much positive to say man.
You've changed a lot bro, you've changed enough where your common sense is gone, everyone here backs BDC, after all the BB.com stories, I feel his credibility is untouchable and for your to try to change that....especially here is a joke.
If I was a "bad" guy, I would have never said anything.
Like I said Im not getting into this due to my lack of knowledge on whats going on
Well its not so much I object to the patent bullshit, its that Im tired of all this bullshit, I was at bb.com, now its here, let it go man, we all know about it, but we appreciate your concern
You can't be objective about the situation if you don't know what is going on.
Well its not so much I object to the patent bullshit, its that Im tired of all this bullshit, I was at bb.com, now its here, let it go man, we all know about it, but we appreciate your concern and like BDC said, he got the powder from China for a certain few people and if he decides to put the 19nor into production, there will be nothing to complain about.
You can't be objective about the situation if you don't know what is going on.
Yeah....I guess the 4AD in those products were just made for "certain" peoplehe got the powder from China for a certain few people
You know what I mean.....it wasnt high priority here, I can say that much
Yeah....I guess the 4AD in those products were just made for "certain" people
Originally posted by 1Fast400
Um.....I didn't say anything....but I will now that you mention it.
It bothers me that on the bb.com thread where BDC was attacked, he came in an mentioned about his business ethics. How he wouldn't copy Par's formula due to respect from a business standpoint. I understand he is doing a good thing for guys, by giving them a place to talk about homebrews. To be honest I don't have issue with him buying stuff from china. Don't go onto a board talking about how you respect business ethics when you obviously violate patent laws (on 4AD and now on 19 Nor).
Amen!Originally posted by Big Daddy Chemo
[The deal is that even though there are ways around the patent it is still a shitty thing to do ethically. Mike called me on it, for whatever personal motivation he has, but has not changed a thing...I will still take the products to a national market. The fact still remains that my first 2 kilos were not from PA but the rest will be. The fact still remains that Mike is not the patent holder yet defends it like it was his own...nothing personal huh? The fact remains that <B>if </B>action is taken it will be by PA and NOT Mike.
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