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So I'm currently on TRT to help with my low T, however I have gone private here in the UK as my doctor said it would take roughly a year to get me in with a endocrinologist.

The treatment I am on at the moment is 70mg T (one testogel sachet + 1pump)
This is becoming quite expensive so I was wondering if there's a way to take 50mg by allowing more of that to be absorbed.

Phlojel is unavailable for me here in the UK however I can get a hold of DMSO in both a cream or liquid form.

If DMSO is my best option how much should I use? Before or after testogel application? Cream or liquid? If liquid will I need to dilute

Thanks in advance.
 
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So I'm currently on TRT to help with my low T, however I have gone private here in the UK as my doctor said it would take roughly a year to get me in with a endocrinologist.

The treatment I am on at the moment is 70mg T (one testogel sachet + 1pump)
This is becoming quite expensive so I was wondering if there's a way to take 50mg by allowing more of that to be absorbed.

Phlojel is unavailable for me here in the UK however I can get a hold of DMSO in both a cream or liquid form.

If DMSO is my best option how much should I use? Before or after testogel application? Cream or liquid? If liquid will I need to dilute

Thanks in advance.
If you are just buying Testogel, honestly your Best option it to buy another form of Test. It's (generally) cheaper, and works better.
 

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If you are just buying Testogel, honestly your Best option it to buy another form of Test. It's (generally) cheaper, and works better.
If you are just buying Testogel, honestly your Best option it to buy another form of Test. It's (generally) cheaper, and works better.
Any recommendations that are available in the UK?
 

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i will probably get some to use along side if it will increase the effectiveness
 

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Testogel is garbage... you could possibly try and take that gel straight in your anus it might help the absorption rate. Otherwise I’d get on injectables only. It’s about 5 times cheaper than gel and also 5 times more effective and STEADY. If you pursue the anal option let us know how it goes :)
 
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do you think these would be ok to use alongside
I'm not sure what prices are like in the UK, but that seems expensive for RAD 140. You'll need 2-3 of those caps per day, at least, so that's only a month to a month and a half supply.
 
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Why we are discussing adding a compound like RAD, which has almost zero research in humans, to a long term TRT plan?

OP was not asking about a cycle, he is asking about optimizing his TRT for what I believe to be general health and wellbeing.

OP you are in the UK and possessing test is not illegal like it is here in the USA, I would work on finding a quality source while making that year out an appointment to get into the endo. You could also look into adding a topical 4-dhea product like Iconic Formulations Alpha 4. I used 4-dhea for a couple of years when I could not get my HRT. It will be a much better option than a Rad cycle.

Look I have taken sarms myself but I think we all sort of collectively ignore the fact that NO ONE ON EARTH knows the longterm effects of these compounds. They appear to be similar in side effects to traditional AAS in many ways but I would never run any of them for more than an experimental cycle here or there.
 

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Why we are discussing adding a compound like RAD, which has almost zero research in humans, to a long term TRT plan?

OP was not asking about a cycle, he is asking about optimizing his TRT for what I believe to be general health and wellbeing.

OP you are in the UK and possessing test is not illegal like it is here in the USA, I would work on finding a quality source while making that year out an appointment to get into the endo. You could also look into adding a topical 4-dhea product like Iconic Formulations Alpha 4. I used 4-dhea for a couple of years when I could not get my HRT. It will be a much better option than a Rad cycle.

Look I have taken sarms myself but I think we all sort of collectively ignore the fact that NO ONE ON EARTH knows the longterm effects of these compounds. They appear to be similar in side effects to traditional AAS in many ways but I would never run any of them for more than an experimental cycle here or there.

you are right i am looking mainly at ways to increase absorption, i will be booking hormone appointments in the near future.
i am mainly using it to fix low testosterone. at the moment i am just applying the gel then about an hour later applying sun screen in the hope it will make it absorb better. i have looked into ways to increase absorption and the most common suggested things are "phlojel" and "DMSO" i am able to get DMSO but am looking for peoples opinion on using it during application of my gel. Thank-you for the lengthy response it is much appreciated.
 
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Testogel is garbage... you could possibly try and take that gel straight in your anus it might help the absorption rate. Otherwise I’d get on injectables only. It’s about 5 times cheaper than gel and also 5 times more effective and STEADY. If you pursue the anal option let us know how it goes :)
This. Not to derail the thread, but my doc had me on Androgel for years. I finally talked him into injectable test. Androgel was $20/month and the Test C works out to be >$2/month
 
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you are right i am looking mainly at ways to increase absorption, i will be booking hormone appointments in the near future.
i am mainly using it to fix low testosterone. at the moment i am just applying the gel then about an hour later applying sun screen in the hope it will make it absorb better. i have looked into ways to increase absorption and the most common suggested things are "phlojel" and "DMSO" i am able to get DMSO but am looking for peoples opinion on using it during application of my gel. Thank-you for the lengthy response it is much appreciated.
Stop using sunscreen first off. The risk is low but I personally would not want any of the **** they put into sunscreen being absorbed. You can use some Iron Legion Salvo to enhance the absorption of the topical test gel. You can also apply some basic hand sanitizer a couple of mins later to enhance and then some really clean basic lotion 5 mins after that.

DMSO will work very well but it stinks and makes your breath smell like garlic. DMSO is best at night when you are done interacting with the world but that is also the worst time to take the test as it does NOT mimic natural release.

What are your blood levels on your current protocol?
 

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Stop using sunscreen first off. The risk is low but I personally would not want any of the **** they put into sunscreen being absorbed. You can use some Iron Legion Salvo to enhance the absorption of the topical test gel. You can also apply some basic hand sanitizer a couple of mins later to enhance and then some really clean basic lotion 5 mins after that.

DMSO will work very well but it stinks and makes your breath smell like garlic. DMSO is best at night when you are done interacting with the world but that is also the worst time to take the test as it does NOT mimic natural release.

What are your blood levels on your current protocol?
the only blood levels i have access to right now is my testosterone which as of 3 weeks ago was 210ng/dl

I dont mind the side effects of DMSO as im not currently in contact with many people on a daily basis. So i may look into that if it will definitely help. Hand sanitizer i will try also until i can get DMSO delivered. Iron legion salvo looks like it would require some mixing with the gel and im not sure id be comfortable trying to do that.
 
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the only blood levels i have access to right now is my testosterone which as of 3 weeks ago was 210ng/dl

I dont mind the side effects of DMSO as im not currently in contact with many people on a daily basis. So i may look into that if it will definitely help. Hand sanitizer i will try also until i can get DMSO delivered. Iron legion salvo looks like it would require some mixing with the gel and im not sure id be comfortable trying to do that.
The salvo I would simply add 1/2 to 1ml into the gel in your had when applying.

With levels that low I personally would be ordering Icon Four and simply adding 2-3 pumps with my test gel daily in the AM. Even with DMSO your levels are so low with the trouche and gel that the additional 4-dhea and androsterone would really help. The carrier in ICON FOUR will help with the gel absorbing as well similar to dmso but much less smelly.

Smell aside DMSO can be harsh on the skin when used every day, at least that is my experience.
 

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The salvo I would simply add 1/2 to 1ml into the gel in your had when applying.

With levels that low I personally would be ordering Icon Four and simply adding 2-3 pumps with my test gel daily in the AM. Even with DMSO your levels are so low with the trouche and gel that the additional 4-dhea and androsterone would really help. The carrier in ICON FOUR will help with the gel absorbing as well similar to dmso but much less smelly.

Smell aside DMSO can be harsh on the skin when used every day, at least that is my experience.
thank-you im going to order a few things based on my recommendations, thank-you so much for the help
 
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The salvo I would simply add 1/2 to 1ml into the gel in your had when applying.

With levels that low I personally would be ordering Icon Four and simply adding 2-3 pumps with my test gel daily in the AM. Even with DMSO your levels are so low with the trouche and gel that the additional 4-dhea and androsterone would really help. The carrier in ICON FOUR will help with the gel absorbing as well similar to dmso but much less smelly.

Smell aside DMSO can be harsh on the skin when used every day, at least that is my experience.
The bolded part is true. When I used it with my Androgel, my skin dried out sooooo much. Hopefully, that is all it did
 
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The salvo I would simply add 1/2 to 1ml into the gel in your had when applying.

With levels that low I personally would be ordering Icon Four and simply adding 2-3 pumps with my test gel daily in the AM. Even with DMSO your levels are so low with the trouche and gel that the additional 4-dhea and androsterone would really help. The carrier in ICON FOUR will help with the gel absorbing as well similar to dmso but much less smelly.

Smell aside DMSO can be harsh on the skin when used every day, at least that is my experience.
i just started my 2nd run of alpha four 4 days ago....i am on trt at 100mg weekly and the alpha four gives a very significant boost-very significant!!!
 
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the only blood levels i have access to right now is my testosterone which as of 3 weeks ago was 210ng/dl

I dont mind the side effects of DMSO as im not currently in contact with many people on a daily basis. So i may look into that if it will definitely help. Hand sanitizer i will try also until i can get DMSO delivered. Iron legion salvo looks like it would require some mixing with the gel and im not sure id be comfortable trying to do that.

Make sure you don't buy industrial DMSO. .. Only "human grade".

IMO DMSO is VERY Strong, and you need to make sure you are clean before applying it, so that anything harmful won't enter your body.
 

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The salvo I would simply add 1/2 to 1ml into the gel in your had when applying.

With levels that low I personally would be ordering Icon Four and simply adding 2-3 pumps with my test gel daily in the AM. Even with DMSO your levels are so low with the trouche and gel that the additional 4-dhea and androsterone would really help. The carrier in ICON FOUR will help with the gel absorbing as well similar to dmso but much less smelly.

Smell aside DMSO can be harsh on the skin when used every day, at least that is my experience.
would these work to supplement along side T-gel https://www.jwsupplements.co.uk/brawn-11-andro/
they contain androsterone as the ICON 4 is pretty expensive at the moment. and i see alot of 4 DHEA products ranging in price massively not quite sure what the differences are.
 
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would these work to supplement along side T-gel https://www.jwsupplements.co.uk/brawn-11-andro/
they contain androsterone as the ICON 4 is pretty expensive at the moment. and i see alot of 4 DHEA products ranging in price massively not quite sure what the differences are.
11 keto is not even close to 4 dhea or androsterone....you can use my code THEBIGT at iconicformulations.com to save 20%.

4 dhea and androsterone are very expensive ingredients, especially the androsterone.
 
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would these work to supplement along side T-gel https://www.jwsupplements.co.uk/brawn-11-andro/
they contain androsterone as the ICON 4 is pretty expensive at the moment. and i see alot of 4 DHEA products ranging in price massively not quite sure what the differences are.
No that would not work for HRT. You basically need precursors that are going to convert to actual natural test and dht with some intermediaries with the 4-dhea such as 4andro and 4androdiol(which is great in and of itself.)\

I am just now realizing that you may be able to get actual 4diol over there still. If I could get that I would absolutely go with that.
 
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Alpha Gainz – 4-Andro TD V2

Is on the same site you listed the 11 at. It's half the price of Icon Four and will last one month at 1ml a day mixed with your test gel. It also is salvo and will help with your test gel absorption. You could try that as well. I used AG 4-andro for years, great stuff.
 
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Alpha Gainz – 4-Andro TD V2

Is on the same site you listed the 11 at. It's half the price of Icon Four and will last one month at 1ml a day mixed with your test gel. It also is salvo and will help with your test gel absorption. You could try that as well. I used AG 4-andro for years, great stuff.
in all fairness alpha four is over twice the dose at 225mg, plus 100mg of androsterone for 28 doses.
 
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There are many suggestions, but few that address absorption. Here are some things to consider:

1. Clean area with rubbing alcohol or take a shower prior to applying the product.
2. Apply DMSO. It can be found in human grade at 99%, at 70% mixed with water, as a 70% gel, or as a roll on (I think it is 99%).
3. Allow the DMSO to dry.
4. Apply the compounded product.
5. Allow compounded product to dry.
6. Consider applying a moisturizer of some type 20 minutes to 1 hour after the compounded product has dried.

There are some articles alleging that the moisturizer increases absorption by 10% to 15%. The DMSO pre-treatment works on the front end, helping the skin be more permeable.
 

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There are many suggestions, but few that address absorption. Here are some things to consider:

1. Clean area with rubbing alcohol or take a shower prior to applying the product.
2. Apply DMSO. It can be found in human grade at 99%, at 70% mixed with water, as a 70% gel, or as a roll on (I think it is 99%).
3. Allow the DMSO to dry.
4. Apply the compounded product.
5. Allow compounded product to dry.
6. Consider applying a moisturizer of some type 20 minutes to 1 hour after the compounded product has dried.

There are some articles alleging that the moisturizer increases absorption by 10% to 15%. The DMSO pre-treatment works on the front end, helping the skin be more permeable.
this is a perfect reply for me! i have gone ahead and ordered some DMSO 99% and will mix with distilled water myself. im gonna follow your step by step instructions. Thank-you for this i am incredibly thankful.
 
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this is a perfect reply for me! i have gone ahead and ordered some DMSO 99% and will mix with distilled water myself. im gonna follow your step by step instructions. Thank-you for this i am incredibly thankful.
You are welcome.

You might also look into and consider application sites. Some compounded products suggest the tops of shoulders. I have also used the top/back of each shoulder, clavicle area, tops of feet, backs of knees, inside of wrists and forearms, inside biceps, and neck area (especially after shaving). The scrotum is also a common application area. Some avoid that due to prostate concerns, but I don't buy into that concern.

Re moisturizers, there are a lot of products that can be considered. I've used aloe vera gel, a mentholated gel (from the Dollar Store), and Phlojel-like products. You might want to look around and see what works best for you (trial and error).
 
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in all fairness alpha four is over twice the dose at 225mg, plus 100mg of androsterone for 28 doses.
I agree it is the better overall value but sometimes a price point prevents someone from buying whereas the 4-andro at least gets him to try the 4-dhea at a lower entrance fee. Icon is the better overall value though and I do prefer the lotion to the liquid. With the lotion, I can cover a greater surface area which is important.
 
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Copy of a PM I just sent as it applies here:
Just an FYI: Since you are using compounds that are attempting to essentially defeat the skin as a barrier I personally would be selective with any lotion you apply afterward. The reason I say this is many lotions contain chemicals, such as parabens, that I would not want to apply to permeable skin in any way.

Even if 1% of that **** would get through it is too much IMO. As an example I use this lotion for that exact reason:

Alaffia Body Lotion: Ingredients:
Coffea sp. (Coffee Berry) Aqueous Extract, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil*, Stearic Acid, Emulsifying Wax, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Water*, Aromatic Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Ascorbic Acid.

*Fair for Life Fair Trade certified ingredient.


You don't have to get this one in particular but something similar and simple. If you look at the ingredients you can basically eat the stuff so even if a little does get through no big deal.
 
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Copy of a PM I just sent as it applies here:
Just an FYI: Since you are using compounds that are attempting to essentially defeat the skin as a barrier I personally would be selective with any lotion you apply afterward. The reason I say this is many lotions contain chemicals, such as parabens, that I would not want to apply to permeable skin in any way.

Even if 1% of that **** would get through it is too much IMO. As an example I use this lotion for that exact reason:

Alaffia Body Lotion: Ingredients:
Coffea sp. (Coffee Berry) Aqueous Extract, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Oil*, Stearic Acid, Emulsifying Wax, Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Water*, Aromatic Cocos nucifera (Coconut) Extract, Phenoxyethanol, Potassium Sorbate, Ascorbic Acid.

*Fair for Life Fair Trade certified ingredient.


You don't have to get this one in particular but something similar and simple. If you look at the ingredients you can basically eat the stuff so even if a little does get through no big deal.
Agreed. I usually use Trader Joes Aloe Vera gel. IIRC, it does not have any "negatives" in it.
 

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Hey OP, I’m also in the UK so can help a bit.

first up, we have the bonus that possession and use of anabolics isn’t illegal plus the DS and PH options are generally available OTC.

I wouldn’t personally use testogel at all.

You can easily buy 4-ad online or in a shop, absorption is 15% so to get to 150mg a week (probably range) you’d need 1,000 a week ish. Actually not that pricey if all your doing is trt.

but I’d never suggest orals for trt to be honest, pinning is by far the better option and there are several good UGL’s - obviously I can’t name sources but trust me they are there, they deliver and I’ve had bloods on cycle to confirm it’s legit.

but long term use of UGL’s isn’t ideal just for heavy metals so personally I’d do that for a few years and then hope the NHS has become more progressive in prescribing it.
 

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Hey OP, I’m also in the UK so can help a bit.

first up, we have the bonus that possession and use of anabolics isn’t illegal plus the DS and PH options are generally available OTC.

I wouldn’t personally use testogel at all.

You can easily buy 4-ad online or in a shop, absorption is 15% so to get to 150mg a week (probably range) you’d need 1,000 a week ish. Actually not that pricey if all your doing is trt.

but I’d never suggest orals for trt to be honest, pinning is by far the better option and there are several good UGL’s - obviously I can’t name sources but trust me they are there, they deliver and I’ve had bloods on cycle to confirm it’s legit.

but long term use of UGL’s isn’t ideal just for heavy metals so personally I’d do that for a few years and then hope the NHS has become more progressive in prescribing it.
something i will definitely look into, at the moment im going to continue to try TRT using a few methods to increase the amount is absorbs. Then when i get blood results i will see where to go from there. Nice to hear from someone in the UK will have to google terms such as DS/PH/UGL as im not clued up in regards to that.
 
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something i will definitely look into, at the moment im going to continue to try TRT using a few methods to increase the amount is absorbs. Then when i get blood results i will see where to go from there. Nice to hear from someone in the UK will have to google terms such as DS/PH/UGL as im not clued up in regards to that.
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Testogel is garbage... you could possibly try and take that gel straight in your anus it might help the absorption rate. Otherwise I’d get on injectables only. It’s about 5 times cheaper than gel and also 5 times more effective and STEADY. If you pursue the anal option let us know how it goes :)
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thanks to the people who gave me genuine advice i have noticed a difference when applying DMSO before hand and aloe vera once dried. People with stupid replies i suppose thanks for the humor hope people return the favour when you need advice
 
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If you can be bothered, I always found scrubbing the application areas with exfoliating soap and gloves when showering noticeably helpful.
 
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If you can be bothered, I always found scrubbing the application areas with exfoliating soap and gloves when showering noticeably helpful.
Good point. I use this sponge like thing (Buff-Puff, or something like that, my wife buys them) and it exfoliates the area without being irritating.
 

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I’m also in the Uk (England) and recently started trt with a private clinic. Daily sub q test cyp and hcg, works great for me on what are actually very low doses. My levels have gone from that of an old man (I’m actually early 40s) to well above top end and I’ve actually had to reduce further. Once the consultations are done the monthly cost for prescriptions actually very reasonable. If you’re interested in finding out more about this option send me a pm and I can pass on details.
 

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