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What's up, I've been out of the game for a while but continued to still work out. Looking for a pre-WO that is mainly pump based. I don't mind stims, but I can always just throw in a caffeine tab. Although I do like a stimmed product...

Seems to be a lot of new stuff out there, last I left off was with norvaline but that looks like it damn near kills you. So I'd prefer nothing super exotic if possible...

Looks like Chaos and Pain has some new stuff but damn, talk about caff O.D. lol... Open to any and all suggestions or stacks etc.

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Oddly, two of the best now are BPI One More Rep Complete, and C4 Ultimate, both stimmed. C4 Ultimate is higher stim than Complete, but both are absolutely top tier non-exotics.
 
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These are a good list of solid suggested preworkouts:
Build Fast Formula FullBlitz
CL White Warped
C4 Ultimate
C4 Ultimate Power
Nutrabio Pre
Bang Master Blaster
Gat Psychon
Isatori Morph
Dymatize Pre
Kraken or Kraken Black (Sparta)
Nutrex Outlift & Outlift Amped


Pump Agents (Non-Stim)
Build Fast Formula VasoBlitz
Sparta Kraken Pump
MA Labs MA Pump
Ghost Pump
PES High Volume
Nutrex Alpha Pump


Good list here man. Build fast formula has samples on their webpage, so I would give it a whirl since it is very highly praised on here. Ever need a coupon code you can use "bob15" to save. I don't think you will go wrong with it (6g l-citrulline, 2.5g Betaine, 2g Arginine Nitrate, 2g Calcium Lactate), and as you said you can always just add a caffeine capsule for your preference.

 
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Innovapharm- MVPre/nova pump gets lots of love, probably one of the best selling pres/combos here in the UK it seems too


Peak performance- nuclear pump

Vaso blitz

MPA- celluvol (if you don’t mind splashing the cash)
 
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Looks like that s7 ND vaso6 is the rage. From the looks, both natural.... No?
 
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Haven't tried it. It's always just too damn hard to choose one...

I liked the C&P cannibal ferox I had years ago, but no pump. Decisions, decisions...
 
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Haven't tried it. It's always just too damn hard to choose one...

I liked the C&P cannibal ferox I had years ago, but no pump. Decisions, decisions...
do you want one with caffeine or a complete non-stim?
Check my list above

if you want a non-stim ---> VasoBlitz, Alpha Pump, High Volume are good bets (Vasoblitz and high volume if you want nitrates... alpha pump if you want s7 and vaso6)

Stim -->
Nitrate Based:
FullBlitz, C4 Ultimate,

Vaso 6:
Kraken (has vaso 6),

S7:
White Warped (CL)

Well Rounded:
Nutrex Outlift
Dymatize Pre
Gat Pyschon
Isatori Morph
Bang Master Blaster
 
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Are people adding vaso to CL white warped still or no? Is PES high volume still relevant? It was expensive back then a bit ...
 
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Are people adding vaso to CL white warped still or no? Is PES high volume still relevant? It was expensive back then a bit ...
What's wrong with high Volume?
Well dosed, and tastes great. its a quality product.
 
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SNS is coming out with a new product call Vaso force xt. It’s a multi ingredient pump product. It’s said that it will be attacking multiple pathways.
 
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Yeah if you’d like to just throw back a couple capsules the new SNS VasoForce XT looks phenomenal. Pumps for days
 
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VasoForce XT would definitely be a good one. The Solution gave a laundry list of great pump products. I'd say you can't go wrong with any of those that he mentioned.
 

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MA Pump will be on sale for $29.99 in a couple days. No stim-free pump product on the market can compete with it at that price point. Not a single one.
 
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MA Pump will be on sale for $29.99 in a couple dayse. No stim-free pump product on the market can compete with it at that price point. Not a single one.
Post up a label, I can’t remember what it looked like, I remember it being similar to MPA celluvol
 
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Post up a label, I can’t remember what it looked like, I remember it being similar to MPA celluvol
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MA Labs MA Pump
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Only issue with the product is it comes as a massive clump due to the raw actives.
@Mike Arnold let me log this when it first came out. It sure does deliver on pumps

Another reason why I always include it on my non-stim list
 

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Post up a label, I can’t remember what it looked like, I remember it being similar to MPA celluvol
It's better...from a pump standpoint. One of the main differences is that MA Pump contains 1,500 mg sodium nitrate, whereas Celluvol doesn't contain any nitrates. MA-PUMP is more comprehensive as an overall muscle volumizer.

Per serving...

Citrulline Malate: 8 grams
HydroMax: 5 grams
Sodium Nitrate: 1.5 grams
Nitrosigine: 1 gram
Betaine Anhydrous: 3 grams
Creatine Monohydrate: 4 grams
Taurine: 2 grams
CAPROS: 250 mg
Vitamin C: 500 mg


Upcoming SALE PRICE: $29.99
 

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MA Labs MA Pump
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Only issue with the product is it comes as a massive clump due to the raw actives.
@Mike Arnold let me log this when it first came out. It sure does deliver on pumps

Another reason why I always include it on my non-stim list
You're right about that! It is clumpy as all hell, so it needs to be scooped it out using a spoon. LOL. This is because of the HydroMax. The next stim-free pump product I make will include GlycerPump instead of HydroMax, as it doesn't clump, but provides he same exact ingredient (glycerol).

This is one of the reasons I am putting it on sale for only $29.99...because I know it clumps...and I want to blow it out before the next stim-free pump product is released.

So, if you don't mind dealing with the clumping, it does work very well (tastes good too) and at $29.99, you won't find another non-stim pump product with a more potent ability to increase the pump, as well as overall muscle volumization. That's one of the differences between MA-PUMP and most other pump products. MA-PUMP targets more than just blood flow. It also increases I.M. water retention, which plays a significant role in muscle fullness, which makes you look even more pumped. Full muscles with lots of blood flowing into them is what causes massive pumps.
 
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You're right about that! It is clumpy as all hell, so it needs to be scooped it out using a spoon. LOL. This is because of the HydroMax. The next stim-free pump product I make will include GlycerPump instead of HydroMax, as it doesn't clump, but provides he same exact ingredient (glycerol).

This is one of the reasons I am putting it on sale for only $29.99...because I know it clumps...and I want to blow it out before the next stim-free pump product is released.

So, if you don't mind dealing with the clumping, it does work very well (tastes good too) and at $29.99, you won't find another non-stim pump product with a more potent ability to increase the pump, as well as overall muscle volumization. That's one of the differences between MA-PUMP and most other pump products. MA-PUMP targets more than just blood flow. It also increases I.M. water retention, which plays a significant role in muscle fullness, which makes you look even more pumped. Full muscles with lots of blood flowing into them is what causes massive pumps.
. I remember we talked prior to when I reviewed it about the issue with clumping. Good product just due to the raw actives that’s why it is what it is

when you drop the next stim free pre let me know I’ll give it a whirl
 

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. I remember we talked prior to when I reviewed it about the issue with clumping. Good product just due to the raw actives that’s why it is what it is

when you drop the next stim free pre let me know I’ll give it a whirl
Will do.

The next stim-free pre is going to focus on just 3 primary ingredients. These ingredients will be the most powerful ingredients in their class and will target each of the three major pathways involved in producing a muscle pump. The doses will be very large and the price point will be excellent. I fully expect it to be the best stim-free pre on the market, not only from a cost-effectiveness standpoint, but in terms of overall effectiveness, as well.

It won't have things like creatine, taurine or betaine in it, which pull water into the muscle over time with continual use. Rather, these three ingredients all work in an acute fashion by producing maximum effects after a single dose. They are all well known in the industry, but to my knowledge no one has combined these 3 ingredients at the doses I am planning to. When trying to force immediate, maximum pumps at the best price possible, simplicity really is key for this class of products.
 
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Will do.

The next stim-free pre is going to focus on just 3 primary ingredients. These ingredients will be the most powerful ingredients in their class and will target each of the three major pathways involved in producing a muscle pump. The doses will be very large and the price point will be excellent. I fully expect it to be the best stim-free pre on the market, not only from a cost-effectiveness standpoint, but in terms of overall effectiveness, as well.

It won't have things like creatine, taurine or betaine in it, which pull water into the muscle over time with continual use. Rather, these three ingredients all work in an acute fashion by producing maximum effects after a single dose. They are all well known in the industry, but to my knowledge no one has combined these 3 ingredients at the doses I am planning to. When trying to force immediate, maximum pumps at the best price possible, simplicity really is key for this class of products.
Hoping a big dose of nitrates still involves
 
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Biggest is 2g currently isn’t it? In FSU

Now that would be interesting to see if mike does go down that route
More doesn’t always mean better with nitrates. There’s an effective range (also important to note it’s the actual nitrate and not the full compound that this relates to).

Will do.

The next stim-free pre is going to focus on just 3 primary ingredients. These ingredients will be the most powerful ingredients in their class and will target each of the three major pathways involved in producing a muscle pump. The doses will be very large and the price point will be excellent. I fully expect it to be the best stim-free pre on the market, not only from a cost-effectiveness standpoint, but in terms of overall effectiveness, as well.

It won't have things like creatine, taurine or betaine in it, which pull water into the muscle over time with continual use. Rather, these three ingredients all work in an acute fashion by producing maximum effects after a single dose. They are all well known in the industry, but to my knowledge no one has combined these 3 ingredients at the doses I am planning to. When trying to force immediate, maximum pumps at the best price possible, simplicity really is key for this class of products.
Sounds interesting. I think for pump it’s more important to attack the right pathways rather than continue to “pile on” the same pathway or just higher doses. I’ll keep an eye out. 😉
 

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More doesn’t always mean better with nitrates. There’s an effective range (also important to note it’s the actual nitrate and not the full compound that this relates to).



Sounds interesting. I think for pump it’s more important to attack the right pathways rather than continue to “pile on” the same pathway or just higher doses. I’ll keep an eye out. 😉
The two major pathways that control blood flow are the arginine pathway and the nitrate pathway. The 3rd major pathway influencing the pump is plasma volume. Only by fully utilizing those pathways is a maximum pump attainable. Unfortunately, maxing out the plasma volume pathway would require absolutely massive doses of glycerol (80-100 grams GlycerPump), which is completely unrealistic from cost standpoint. However, it is possible to max out the arginine pathway and to optimize the nitrate pathway. I say "optimize", as maxing out the nitrate pathway would cause death. Not good. It is, however, fairly inexpensive to optimize this pathway.
 
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You're right about that! It is clumpy as all hell, so it needs to be scooped it out using a spoon. LOL. This is because of the HydroMax. The next stim-free pump product I make will include GlycerPump instead of HydroMax, as it doesn't clump, but provides he same exact ingredient (glycerol).

This is one of the reasons I am putting it on sale for only $29.99...because I know it clumps...and I want to blow it out before the next stim-free pump product is released.

So, if you don't mind dealing with the clumping, it does work very well (tastes good too) and at $29.99, you won't find another non-stim pump product with a more potent ability to increase the pump, as well as overall muscle volumization. That's one of the differences between MA-PUMP and most other pump products. MA-PUMP targets more than just blood flow. It also increases I.M. water retention, which plays a significant role in muscle fullness, which makes you look even more pumped. Full muscles with lots of blood flowing into them is what causes massive pumps.
That would be a killer price for MA PUMP. Will definitely grab a few!
 

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Definitely going to grab some MA pump, Vasoforce XT, and Peak Performance pump ASAP. Thus far the best product strictly for pump I’ve ever used is Serum Code: Inf8 by Biohack.
 
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Definitely going to grab some MA pump, Vasoforce XT, and Peak Performance pump ASAP. Thus far the best product strictly for pump I’ve ever used is Serum Code: Inf8 by Biohack.
Did you ever two scoop infl8?
 
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Definitely going to grab some MA pump, Vasoforce XT, and Peak Performance pump ASAP. Thus far the best product strictly for pump I’ve ever used is Serum Code: Inf8 by Biohack.
Did you ever two scoop infl8?
 
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It's better...from a pump standpoint. One of the main differences is that MA Pump contains 1,500 mg sodium nitrate, whereas Celluvol doesn't contain any nitrates. MA-PUMP is more comprehensive as an overall muscle volumizer.

Per serving...

Citrulline Malate: 8 grams
HydroMax: 5 grams
Sodium Nitrate: 1.5 grams
Nitrosigine: 1 gram
Betaine Anhydrous: 3 grams
Creatine Monohydrate: 4 grams
Taurine: 2 grams
CAPROS: 250 mg
Vitamin C: 500 mg


Upcoming SALE PRICE: $29.99
Excellent product but why the creatine... would have like this excluded.. also excellent dose of citrulline...
 

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Excellent product but why the creatine... would have like this excluded.. also excellent dose of citrulline...
Creatine is a muscle volumizer--the most effective volumizer of all, actually. MA-PUMP was designed to be not just a blood flow enhancer, but an all-around muscle volumizer (blood flow, plasma expansion, intramuscular water retention, etc.). Betaine has similar, although less potent, effects on intramuscular water retention.
 
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Creatine is a muscle volumizer--the most effective volumizer of all, actually. MA-PUMP was designed to be not just a blood flow enhancer, but an all-around muscle volumizer (blood flow, plasma expansion, intramuscular water retention, etc.). Betaine has similar, although less potent, effects on intramuscular water retention.
I like the inclusion and personally like a Glycerol + Betaine + Creatine + Taurine mix in my pre for those benefits. Solid intramuscular water retention, not bloat.
 

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Did you ever two scoop infl8?
Yes, it was well worth it and pine bark is extremely underrated imo. the cost+shipping makes it difficult so I mostly went with one healing scoop through the 2 tubs I bought.
 
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Yes, it was well worth it and pine bark is extremely underrated imo. the cost+shipping makes it difficult so I mostly went with one healing scoop through the 2 tubs I bought.
Nice, does look very good, didn’t realise you weren’t from the UK guess it does come into play when you factor in shipping and how many servings you got
 

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