LOOKING FOR OPINIONS: MSTEN or DMZ kicker to LGD + Dermatrest cycle

Jm88888

Jm88888

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Hey guys.
Looking for opinions on my next LGD and Dermatrest cycle. About a month away. What are your thoughts on the below layout? Everything but msten/dmz is basically locked in. My big question is using the dmz/msten to quick kick.
Thanks guys!

MSTEN or DMZ: 20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0
LGD: 0/0/0/5/5/5/10/10/10/15/15/15/0/0/0/0
Dermatrest:100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/100/0/0/0/0
Laxogenin: 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/200/200/200/200/200
Clomid: 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/50/50/25/25
MK-677: 10/10/10/10/20/20/20/20/30/30/30/30/30/30/30/30
Taper backwards out to 0 over equal time

Post PCT 4-6 weeks
Laxogenin: 200/200/200/200/200/200
Kings Blood t booster: 1/1/1/1

Exemestane: on hand. Expecting to need about 12.5 mg EOD based on past trestolone experience
 
I think Msten would serve as a better kicker if you're limiting it to 4 weeks.

I would also bring the LGD in to week 3 instead of 4.

It's an interesting layout. A bit complex, but doses are mild.
 
Dma378 said:
I think Msten would serve as a better kicker if you're limiting it to 4 weeks.

I would also bring the LGD in to week 3 instead of 4.

It's an interesting layout. A bit complex, but doses are mild.
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I did bring LGD on week 3.
 
Msten or DMZ? IMO, it doesn't matter that much, but I am leaning toward Msten as a kicker. Both are good though. Sten 20-30, DMZ 30-40.
 
LAH813 said:
What are your stats
Height weight bf% age
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5' 10"
192 @ 13.7% BF (after last LGD and trest cycle I got up to 212 but like 19% BF)
36 y/o
Serious lifting on a a program for 3 years
Did several LGD cycles, one LGD + Trest cycle

1RMs lbs (months after last cycle)
Bench 240-250
Squat 425-435
Press 150-160
Deadlift 450-460
 
This is going to be starting soon... However I need to make a decision on MSTEN. What should I expect in the way of sides/gains. Figure I'm going to be eating about 4000 cals from the get go, and probably bumping it up near 5000 by the end. Going to end up around 275 to 300 grams of protein a day btw...
I guess I'm looking to sell myself on whether or not it's worth the troubles....
 
I gained 5 lbs of muscle in MSten in a 4 week cycle and kept it
I was extremely lethargic though , was hard to get motivated to go to the gym
Testies were shut down in week 4

I had to add 4-AD in my 4th week to get some energy and libido back

Got blood results after , everything checked out OK
4 wk PCT with OTC AIs and DAA brought everything back

MSten dosage was 10/20/20/10
 
Arnold_strong said:
I gained 5 lbs of muscle in MSten in a 4 week cycle and kept it
I was extremely lethargic though , was hard to get motivated to go to the gym
Testies were shut down in week 4

I had to add 4-AD in my 4th week to get some energy and libido back

Got blood results after , everything checked out OK
4 wk PCT with OTC AIs and DAA brought everything back

MSten dosage was 10/20/20/10
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I had a similar experience, but the next time I ran it with a test base. Used Dermatr3st like the OP is planning on and the sides were much more minimal.
 
Interesting, i may copy this, I usually respond well to 50mg of tr3st or 75, so going to prob just adjust to fit my needs.

I may back down the msten also, I have like 5 bottles, last time i ran it was awful lethargy and lost all the gains i think, but it was tough time personally (moving, new gym, stress etc.)
 
I think mine would look more like

LGD 8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8/8
MK677 20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20/20
MSTEN 0/0/0/0/20/20/20/20/0/0/0/0
Trest 0/0/0/0/0/0/50/50/50/50/50/50

not sure if this seems dumb just having it in the middle of the cycle, or if i should just put towards the end? I don't want to take it at the start as i like to run the LGD and MK for 6 weeks on their own prior.
 
By week 3 on LGD I am totally feeling like ****. Trest feels like a million bucks at 100 mgs. Plus I want Trest gains from day 1. I want my strength getting jacked from the get go....
 
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