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Long term side effects of designer steriods

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agentgt

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Is anyone concerned with fact that these designer steriods might very well be the most carcinogenic substances on the planet?

The scary part is people won't know until a 10-15 years from now when they start dropping like flies.

And don't give me the, "You won't get cancer if you take it like once and for short duration"....
Thats bull****... One large dose of radation will give anyone cancer... The same goes for extremly strong carcinogenic substances.

I am not a true bodybuilder or chemist but rather a gym rat so maybe I am wrong (I have never taken steriods)...
But I remember reading about a steriod called Halostein that was extrembly carcinogenic and people found out about it too late.

There is such an advantage to real steriods and pro hormons in that they are

1. naturally produced by the body
2. are well known and the long term exogenous usage is well known

Why would you ever take designer steriods?
I mean if your going to risk loosing your life taking some **** ... why not instead risk going to jail for taking for more effective and safer ****.
 
They COULD be the most carcinogenic substances and lead to our death or they COULD have absolutely no long term effects.

...then again I COULD have a stray bullet hit me in the center of the eyes as I'm typing this.


Probability and Conservation are key
 
agentgt said:
Is anyone concerned with fact that these designer steriods might very well be the most carcinogenic substances on the planet?

The scary part is people won't know until a 10-15 years from now when they start dropping like flies.

And don't give me the, "You won't get cancer if you take it like once and for short duration"....
Thats bull****... One large dose of radation will give anyone cancer... The same goes for extremly strong carcinogenic substances.

I am not a true bodybuilder or chemist but rather a gym rat so maybe I am wrong (I have never taken steriods)...
But I remember reading about a steriod called Halostein that was extrembly carcinogenic and people found out about it too late.

There is such an advantage to real steriods and pro hormons in that they are

1. naturally produced by the body
2. are well known and the long term exogenous usage is well known

Why would you ever take designer steriods?
I mean if your going to risk loosing your life taking some **** ... why not instead risk going to jail for taking for more effective and safer ****.
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Well to prove you wrong, I will say that a commonly used designer steroid (Superdrol) is an orally available form of 2 different types or "real steroids". The only difference is that the pills are methylated while serums are not. Therefore, it will cause more liver damage than injections will. As far as I know, methylated compounds are not carcinogenic being that things like grape fruit juice is also methylated (a different type but methylated nonetheless).

Also, even if what I said above is completely wrong (not to sound like an ass or anything), but what do you care? Is is your body? Let people do what they want, I'm sure each & every person has a different reason for what they do. Just because in your situation it is easier & more preferable to use injectables, it doesn't mean that's the case for everyone.

Just relax.
 
I only care because I am slightly worried about ignorant kids buying and taking the stuff.

Although I am a liberatarian... I am also a christian so I can't help care a little.
 
That is their choice, but I wasn't aware that fluoxymesterone was a carcinogen. (Lots of other things including insane) where did you hear that at? I missed something apparently.

This is kind of like telling new people that they shouldn't be doing steroids. It might be good advice but usually by the time we here of it they have made there choice and more often then not going to changer there mind. The difference here is that most of the people around here know what the risks are and make a choice based on risk vs. gains. While I believe that a lot of people downplay the risk way to often no one that was around for M1T can honestly say that they are not know aware of the risk. (Some people still say that M1T isn't that bad but most agree now that taking it is a very bad idea) . They should also remember how a lot of people swore by it and argued that liver toxicity was over rate and that it could be cycled safely. There were some that really should have known better. So if they know the risk and still want to use them to stay "legal" that is their choice. I may not agree with it (M1T scared me) but these are largely knowledgeable people that know the risk they take.

The one I don't understand is why people combine old school gear with the new stuff, why use the worst of both? Your "illegal" and still using the risky stuff.

As for kids using the stuff that is a good point, However that is an old problem, this is just a new twist that they can buy it over the counter. But that will not be an issue for long I think, I am guessing that around election time the politicians are going to need some ammo. I am surprise that they waited this long to get around to it. And the next time I don’t think that they will leave as many loop holes.
 
Here is my view: I'm getting ready to go climb inside equipment that previously contained a KNOWN carginogen - 1,3-butadiene.
I take pre-cautions necessary to not get that sh*t on me or inhale it.

I do the same with Superdrol and TST/TRN.
 
I will be glad once these designers are gone. When I hear about 16 year olds asking if SD is safe for them, I cringe. Man If I knew about Andro when i was 16, I would have been on the varsity football team. And I would probobly now be f'd up too with erectile disfuntion and ***** tits. Most people are responsible about them, but being they are OTC so many people think they are perfectly harmless to run 3 months non stop. I have heard of people with HDL levels of 8. I wouldnt be concerned about them being a carcinogen, more concerned about liver damage or heart disease to those who arent careful. I wont take any SD or PP until I quit drinking for a month before hand, and a month or so after.
 
agentgt said:
I only care because I am slightly worried about ignorant kids buying and taking the stuff.

Although I am a liberatarian... I am also a christian so I can't help care a little.
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Lol, this may be the biggest contradiction I have ever seen!! A libertarian who is also a christian? So on the one hand you believe in free will, but on the other you live your life by pre-defined rules...
 
A libertarian who chooses to live his own life by pre defined rules and believes others can live their life as they choose. Whats such a contradiction about that. You sound a little biased and hateful. Were you molested by a priest? Keep your idiodic flaming comments out of this thread jackass.
 
u sound like one of those really board opinionated people with no life that bashes everyone for how they live theirs, first of all pretty much everything done excessive is bad for u, and u never know whats going to happen. If ur such a believer in god then u should know that if something happens to us its gods will and its going to happen anyway. But i understand where ur coming from being religious and all. trying to keep the young ones off phs., send them to church and let them get mallested instead
 
CNorris said:
A libertarian who chooses to live his own life by pre defined rules and believes others can live their life as they choose. Whats such a contradiction about that. You sound a little biased and hateful. Were you molested by a priest? Keep your idiodic flaming comments out of this thread jackass.
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When chuck norris Jumps into the water he doesnt get wet, The Water gets chuck norrised
 
It's 50/50

No one knows the future. I can take your statement and say----> What about the air, water and our food supply? Did you know the meat we eat might be causing the cancer rate to go up? We can make the farm animals grow 2 to 3 times faster now but at what cost. The TV program 20/20 talked about this same issue, a couple of months ago.

Did you know the medications we use might produce great benefits but no one knows the long term side effects because we can't see into the future?

So life is like a box of chocolate, you will never know what you will get.
 
never been mallested, i knew better than to go around guys that are always singing, wearing dresses and putting bread in each others mouths, not hateful either, just that unexperienced know it alls really piss me off , everyone has their own opinion of what idiotic is so preach on and ill continue to kick u in ur teeth
 
Skye said:
That is their choice, but I wasn't aware that fluoxymesterone was a carcinogen. (Lots of other things including insane) where did you hear that at? I missed something apparently.
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Yeah, I think this piece of info was either pulled out of the sky. Or, there may have been SOME test SOMEwhere that showed "rats fed 100mg/kg fluoxymesterone per day showed an increased rate of rectal cancer"....that is, the minority of the rats...the majority, (90%) of them, died of hepatic failue within the year.:rofl:
 
jmh80 said:
Here is my view: I'm getting ready to go climb inside equipment that previously contained a KNOWN carginogen - 1,3-butadiene.
I take pre-cautions necessary to not get that sh*t on me or inhale it.

I do the same with Superdrol and TST/TRN.
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Good that a hydrocarbon like 1,3-BD was brought into the thread. It's a nice example of a molecule for which carcinogenicity is structurally unsurprising.

However, the chemistries involving most steroids do not involve the typical carcinogenic molecular structures.

The only cancer proven with common pharmaceutical steroids, hepatic, is found with abuse of the organ. And it involves known general modes of steroid toxicity. I.e., severe cases of the typical 17-alkylated or "methyl" liver damage.

But, back to chemical structures, I think Anadrol, a heavily researched steroid, with it's hydroxymethylene group, shows one of the nicest anabolic steroid structures for causing a more varied array of cancer. Still haven't seen any such reports for drol, though.
 
juiced! said:
u sound like one of those really board opinionated people with no life that bashes everyone for how they live theirs, first of all pretty much everything done excessive is bad for u, and u never know whats going to happen. If ur such a believer in god then u should know that if something happens to us its gods will and its going to happen anyway. But i understand where ur coming from being religious and all. trying to keep the young ones off phs., send them to church and let them get mallested instead
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LOL l8ter rofl aoleer 12 year old why dont you chop off your penis, its gods will! Do it first thing in the morning, since its bed time for you little boy. :nutkick:
"mallested" hahaha I guess they dont teach 5th graders to spell words like that yet. Seriously though if you disagree make an intelligible argument. And learn to spell. Bring the flaming to BB.com forums.

"After taking a steroids test doctors informed Chuck Norris that he had tested positive. He laughed upon receiving this information, and said "of course my urine tested positive, what do you think they make steroids from?""

:bow28: <- Chuck Norris
 
CNorris said:
LOL l8ter rofl aoleer 12 year old why dont you chop off your penis, its gods will! Do it first thing in the morning, since its bed time for you little boy. :nutkick:
"mallested" hahaha I guess they dont teach 5th graders to spell words like that yet. Seriously though if you disagree make an intelligible argument. And learn to spell. Bring the flaming to BB.com forums.

"After taking a steroids test doctors informed Chuck Norris that he had tested positive. He laughed upon receiving this information, and said "of course my urine tested positive, what do you think they make steroids from?""

:bow28: <- Chuck Norris
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oh no, i missspelleedd a word, good thing for u huh, or that lame ass comeback would have been even weaker, little boy? passed my bed time? give me a break, what are u like 50? sounds like the kind of **** my grandpa would say when hes trying to be funny, the only thing that was funny was u knew the address to a flaming site, i guess u do know more than me
 
CNorris said:
LOL l8ter rofl aoleer 12 year old why dont you chop off your penis, its gods will! Do it first thing in the morning, since its bed time for you little boy. :nutkick:
"mallested" hahaha I guess they dont teach 5th graders to spell words like that yet. Seriously though if you disagree make an intelligible argument. And learn to spell. Bring the flaming to BB.com forums.

"After taking a steroids test doctors informed Chuck Norris that he had tested positive. He laughed upon receiving this information, and said "of course my urine tested positive, what do you think they make steroids from?""

:bow28: <- Chuck Norris
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P.S. chuck norris is an ass goblin:FUfinger:
 
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