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chzcake01 said:
no, everything feels fine. is suppression possible with 11KT at 5 or 6 caps?
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Tallguy summed it up well, so no need to elaborate on recommendations and precautions.

However, I was asking because I've seen data suggesting 11-KT has anti-suppressive effects on HPTA, related to one of it's corticometric actions specifically. Also, it doesn't aromatize and that usually helps as well. But I have also wondered if 11-KT (or any of it's metabolites) might become distinctly suppressive above some dose, based on the superseding effects of it's AR interactions, because I have not noted that myself. So basically, trying to evaluate if 11-KT may be gonadotrophic at 'lower doses', and only become suppressive over some dose-proportional threshold.

Since you are now taking higher doses that I am personally familiar with, I was interested in your pioneering subjective insights. :)
 
NutraChem said:
Tallguy summed it up well, so no need to elaborate on recommendations and precautions.

However, I was asking because I've seen data suggesting 11-KT has anti-suppressive effects on HPTA, related to one of it's corticometric actions specifically. Also, it doesn't aromatize and that usually helps as well. But I have also wondered if 11-KT (or any of it's metabolites) might become distinctly suppressive above some dose, based on the superseding effects of it's AR interactions, because I have not noted that myself. So basically, trying to evaluate if 11-KT may be gonadotrophic at 'lower doses', and only become suppressive over some dose-proportional threshold.

Since you are now taking higher doses that I am personally familiar with, I was interested in your pioneering subjective insights. :)
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so you've taken 11kt? what dose did you use and what was your experience with it?
 
chzcake01 said:
so you've taken 11kt? what dose did you use and what was your experience with it?
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Yes, I tried it based on an inquiry from someone here actually, regrading it's oral bioavailability. I started at 100mg and went to 400mg over several weeks. When I abandoned testing at 400mg its simply because I ran out of stock, but I was quite surprised at how anti-catabolic if felt and it seems to be effective even at only 100mg/d. I experienced no suppression, at least not visually, and my libido was unscathed (or if anything slightly elevated.) It seemed fairly neutral androgenically speaking, with no hints of overt or latent toxicity, virtually no acne, and none of the lethargy of high dose 11-Oxo. I liked it.
 
NutraChem said:
Yes, I tried it based on an inquiry from someone here actually, regrading it's oral bioavailability. I started at 100mg and went to 400mg over several weeks. When I abandoned testing at 400mg its simply because I ran out of stock, but I was quite surprised at how anti-catabolic if felt and it seems to be effective even at only 100mg/d. I experienced no suppression, at least not visually, and my libido was unscathed (or if anything slightly elevated.) It seemed fairly neutral androgenically speaking, with no hints of overt or latent toxicity, virtually no acne, and none of the lethargy of high dose 11-Oxo. I liked it.
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cool, thanks for sharing
 
7/20: rest day
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices bacon (280 cal.)
snack- pb&j on wheat (400 cal.)
lunch- 7oz oven broiled ribeye steak, 1 med. potato, broccoli (650 cal.)

will probably end up between 1800-1900 cal. today.
 
7/22
breakfast- 3 eggs, 2 slices bacon, 1 slide wheat bread (350 cal.)
snack- pb&j on wheat (400 cal.)
lunch- blackened tilipia, 1 cup rice, mixed veggies (360 cal.)

cardio- 35 minutes bike, 25 minutes treadmill
 
finished with 2150 cal. yesterday

7/23-

weighed 176.4 (no pic, long line for using scale), -2.4 pounds from last week, -8.6 pounds overall

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took 200mg caffeine, did fasted cardio sipping bcaa
35 minutes on bike, 20 minutes on treadmill

1st meal- 5oz curry chicken, 1 cup rice, mixed veggies (335 cal)
2nd meal- 2 slices thin crust pizza (640 cal)
 
hows the strength been?
 
Just curious, but what's your program like as far as lifting? You don't have to go into a ton. of detail if you don't want to. I was just wondering.
 
I've been watching man, not a lot to say other than nice job! I can see progress. I thought for sure I was going to catch your weight by now, but you pulled away!
 
HIT4ME said:
I've been watching man, not a lot to say other than nice job! I can see progress. I thought for sure I was going to catch your weight by now, but you pulled away!
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tomorrow is my last day using 11kt and i'm going on a 3 week vacation soon, so you'll probably weigh less than me after that
 
Lol, thanks for the positive thoughts! You've done a great job.
 
chzcake01 said:
I mentioned a few days ago there's definitely strength increases at higher doses.
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gotcha, just curious if it has dropped, leveled or increased or if you feel the wgts are lighter or heavier every few days-
 
smith_69 said:
gotcha, just curious if it has dropped, leveled or increased or if you feel the wgts are lighter or heavier every few days-
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I always start with last week's weight/rep range and actually thought to myself "this is way too light and easy" on my lifts this week, so had to increase weight on lifts
 
2350 cal. yesterday, a little more than i wanted to, probably affected my weigh in

1900 cal. today

7/25- last day, 4 caps
weighed 177.0
took 200mg caffeine, fasted cardio 35 minutes bike/20 minutes treadmill/12 minutes sauna
 
final results (3 bottles, 51 days)
initial weight= 185, today= 177
lost 8 pounds on the scale, clothes are feeling looser, went 1 notch tighter on belt
i'm pleased with the results even though i had to take 1 week off because i got really sick, so probably would have had better results
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final review:

pros-
1) easy to notice the benefits of reduced cortisol, i was always calm and relaxed even in stressful situations
2) weight/fat loss, it was nice seeing changes on scale and in mirror
3) increased strength, endurance at higher doses (4-5 caps), less rest time between sets/exercises

cons-
1) acne breakouts at higher doses
2) joint discomfort at higher doses even while taking cissus and fish oil, feels like when you take too much erase/arimistane
3) price

overall i'd rate this product 4.5 or 4.75 out of 5,
easy cycle to run, mild sides (almost none at lower doses), only drawback would be price (got 2 bottles for free, paid $43 for third bottle)

will definitely run this again in the future

thanks again to nutra innovations and their reps, great group of guys, very knowledgeable and professional
will continue to support this company, you've got a lifelong customer and i'll surely recommend your company/products from now on
 
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