Guest viewing limit reached
  • You have reached the maximum number of guest views allowed
  • Please register below to remove this limitation

*Liver Tab FAQ*

Here's one for you newbie, Im sure you'll choose to ignore this one also


According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino-acid utilization, a growth factor and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

"... liver tablets are one of the most potent training aids for the bodybuilder. The formula is an extract which contains only trace amounts of fat and cholesterol, but forty-five times the nutritional value of whole beef liver, yet with all the nutrients and enzymes of raw liver."

"...being very high in useable bodybuilding protein of the highest quality (it contains all the essential amino acids). It's a strong blood builder supplying heme iron. It is a very rich source of B vitamins, especially riboflavin, niacin, B-12, and the lipotropics choline and inositol. It's a good source of vitamins A, C, and D and other micro-nutrients and very rich in minerals such as the anti oxidant selenium, phosphorous, copper, zinc, and GTF chromium (insulin regulator). In addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver shown to have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance such as cytochrome P-450 and others that have yet to be identified. "


"In a classic experiment, Dr. B. H. Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease. In a nutshell here's how this occurred:

Dr. Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a twelve week period. Group one ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group two ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group three ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

Then the doctor placed the rats one by one into a drum of water, out of which they could not climb. Therefore, it was either swim or drown. The group one rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group two, an average of 13.4 minutes. Group three, however, were still swimming at the end of two hours, at which time the experiment was concluded. Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long. As far as we know, no other supplement has even come close to liver in improving endurance."
 
YellowJacket said:

Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long.
Click to expand...

LOL... "oh ****, Moe went under!! swim, fellas, swim!!"
 
You should be banned for failing to read around the board before posting, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt since you're trying hard. This has been discussed in full length in another thread. Exactly how there's no way you can get MCD from liver tabs. Please, do us a favor and read and research before you waste my time.
Click to expand...

Just to put the mad-cow-disease-from-liver-tabs worry to bed:

According to the FDA, any beef related dietary supplement sold in the US must not originate from the 31 'black listed' countries where BSE is known to occur.

check it out at:
Invalid Link Removed

Argentina is not on the list.

To say the liver tabs have a significant amount of aminos is kinda silly...2.3g in every two tabs?
Click to expand...

You take 15 - 18 liver tabs per day...

Maybe I'm just bad at computers...oh, and if you want your text to stop being bolded when making multi quotes close the bold tag inside the quote tag (computers are hard, its ok).

I got the impression this board was about sharing and discussing body building information and ideas. I would like to discuss liver tabs not have my intelligence questioned. If thats a problem I'll be more than happy to leave yellowjacketminds.com.
Click to expand...

That's kind of uncalled for, JayMc. I dont know Yellowjacket, but Ive read enough of his posts on enough bodybuilding boards to know that he's an intelligent guy who really does know what he's talking about. He would not be so vehement in supporting the use of liver tabs if the were total BS.

LiverTabs have been around since the 50's. The reason they are still around is because they work, and they work very well. They supply many of the basic building blocks for building muscle, in addition to providing positive water retention.

I have been taking LiverTabs since I got serious about getting big out about a year and a half ago. Since then, in addition to consistent diet and training, I have gone from 175 to my current bodyweight of 220. Every friend that I have turned on to LiverTabs has noted positive results. Could this be the placebo effect? Maybe. But after hearing positive results from nearly everyone who takes them, and seeing positive results myself, I would think this is not the case. For less than $10 a month, they are definately a worthwhile supplement to invest in.

You can ignore everything above and just answer this: what do liver tabs provide me that taking a multivitamin and taking whey protein wont.
Click to expand...

Beef liver. Dont just compare the numbers. Whey protien isnt the only type of protien you should have in your diet. Whey protien does not contain the entire B-complex (neither do most multi's I know of), which is essential for fast muscle repair. You definately notice faster recovery time while supplementing with Uni-Liver. I see this as one of its prime benefits.

As I stated above, LiverTabs have been around for a long, long time. Its not like this is Jay Cutler saying "I take Nitro-tech and look how huge I am". This is hundreds, if not thousands, of bodybuilders throughout history saying "I supplement with beef liver, I see results". We are not pushing any one product or brand. No one is out to make a dollar. We are trying to let other lifters know that this is an inexpensive supplement that works, and works well. A can of UniLiver can be had for $10 and will last over a month.

Keep taking your Whey and your multivitamin. Add 15 LiverTabs/day to your regimen, try that for a month. If you dont see results, you're out $10 and they didnt work for you.

They work for me and countless others. I think you should at least try them before you actually attack a supplement that is thought to be essential to the diets of guys who are light-years ahead of both you and I in terms of physical development and knowledge in this field.

Like YellowJacket, for example.

BigVrunga
 
Last edited:
Hehe, I just finished reading that study a few mintues ago. I was just about to post it when I realized you beat me to it. Although, we know how most feel about rat studies.....

It's too bad there's been little research done on livertabs with humans. But then I guess there's enough research on it's contents to not bother with the whole.
 
Draven said:
Hehe, I just finished reading that study a few mintues ago. I was just about to post it when I realized you beat me to it. Although, we know how most feel about rat studies.....
Click to expand...


True, but I dont think you could put humans in a pool, some on a dessicated liver, some not and see how long they could swim until one drown ;)

But no study should be needed. There is nothing special in liver tabs. As BigV's post above says, its all basic ingredients. Things like vitamins, minerals, protein, amino acids, etc. that have been proven to work, with or without studies. I hate to sound like an arrogant asshole in this thread, but I feel justifying myself over and over again is bullshit since this supplement section is full of liver tab info. Oh well, cant satisfy everyone.
 
BV, sorry if you thought what I said was rude. Thats just kinda how I feel. I get nothing but hostility and personal attacks from YJ. I don't feel bad because he does that to a lot of people from what I've read. Thanks for responding to my questions, its appreciated.

YJ, why couldn't you have just posted that article w/o the bashing and calling me stupid? Would it have been that hard on you?

Look man, the people I've met at the gym working out and 99.9% of the people on the internet have been some of the nicest people I've ever met. Always willing to help, always willing to answer questions. They don't have to do this but they do anyway because they remember what it was like to be new or because at some point someone helped them out. If you think my questions are stupid or pointless thats fine, don't answer them. Someone else will (like BV). But please don't attack me and call me ignorant and furthermore the entire anorexicguy.net thing was just silly. As if all that weren't bad enough you compared me to pjorstad...thats low man... In the future just ignore my questions or reply to them in a civil way (like you did in the post where you posted the article, minus the part where you called me a newbie).

I'm not gonna ask anymore liver tab questions. Its not worth the raking over the coals that would come before an answer.

Thanks.

J
 
Jay Mc said:
BV, sorry if you thought what I said was rude. Thats just kinda how I feel. I get nothing but hostility and personal attacks from YJ. I don't feel bad because he does that to a lot of people from what I've read. Thanks for responding to my questions, its appreciated.
Click to expand...

Awww.... Now I feel bad :rolleyes: Its an online message board, dont take it so seriously.

YJ, why couldn't you have just posted that article w/o the bashing and calling me stupid? Would it have been that hard on you?
Click to expand...

Where's the fun in that? ;)

Look man, the people I've met at the gym working out and 99.9% of the people on the internet have been some of the nicest people I've ever met. Always willing to help, always willing to answer questions. They don't have to do this but they do anyway because they remember what it was like to be new or because at some point someone helped them out. If you think my questions are stupid or pointless thats fine, don't answer them. Someone else will (like BV).
Click to expand...

I normally would do that, but when you quote me and direct questions to me, I sort of feel like you're talking to me, can you blame me? I normally wouldnt have the attitude except you come here acting like you're gods gift to the bodybuilding world and attempt to refute an 'article' I put together myself with mundane, tired old statements I have heard 1000 times. And before you give the "Im new" excuse, the search button has been here the whole time you've been registered.


But please don't attack me and call me ignorant and furthermore the entire anorexicguy.net thing was just silly. As if all that weren't bad enough you compared me to pjorstad...thats low man... In the future just ignore my questions or reply to them in a civil way (like you did in the post where you posted the article, minus the part where you called me a newbie).
Click to expand...

I have written a very good piece titled "How to handle a newbie", I suggest you dig that up and read it. Furthermore, thanks but no thanks, I dont need the lesson on how to respond to people and their repetitive questions and lackluster rebutles. As for the pjorstad comparison, sorry it just gave me flashbacks.

I'm not gonna ask anymore liver tab questions. Its not worth the raking over the coals that would come before an answer.
Click to expand...

This is the idea. Maybe next time you'll hit the search function and dig the answers up yourself. Have a good one, YJ
 
Originally posted by YellowJacket [/b]
....except you come here acting like you're gods gift to the bodybuilding world and attempt to refute an 'article' I put together myself with mundane, tired old statements I have heard 1000 times. And before you give the Im new excuse, the search button has been here the whole time you've been registered.

[/b]
Click to expand...

First, I'm 5'8 and about 150lbs w/about 8% body fat. I don't think that makes me a great body builder or even a good one. Second I didn't try and refute anything. I was just asking questions, they were to you. I'm sorry, I wont do that again.

J
 
There's nothing wrong with asking questions when the answers aren't set in stone. Your liver tab FAQ is good, YJ, however is isn't the end-all gospel of liver tab info that will cover every possible tangent that may arise (that would be near impossible to write). The study regarding the anti-fatigue 450 enzyme was a good post (something we used to have over at BB.com), and actually answered a question asked "What will liver tabs give me that whey and a multi won't?" This hardly ruined your thread, it actually gave us more information to examine, which is our goal here at AM, full exploration and analyzation of issues.
 
jweave23 said:
There's nothing wrong with asking questions when the answers aren't set in stone. Your liver tab FAQ is good, YJ, however is isn't the end-all gospel of liver tab info that will cover every possible tangent that may arise (that would be near impossible to write). The study regarding the anti-fatigue 450 enzyme was a good post (something we used to have over at BB.com), and actually answered a question asked "What will liver tabs give me that whey and a multi won't?" This hardly ruined your thread, it actually gave us more information to examine, which is our goal here at AM, full exploration and analyzation of issues.
Click to expand...


Yes, I thought that article was already here, I suppose it wasnt. This thread is as complete as it can be in my opinion. To come and ask smartass questions because I rained on his glutamine parade is a waste of my time and board space. Not to sound like an asshole, but each of those questions could have been answered via the search engine. Ah well, guess thats what they pay me for ;)
 
Jay, don't sweat asking questions or exploring different trains of thought. That's what we want here at AM.
 
Also, here at AM, we're about taking it upon ourselves to research and help ourselves. Im more than willing to help those who will help themselves. Basic questions, such as the ones asked above, could have been found easily using only this board. Here at AM, we try to avoid the simplistic questions, we are more for advanced discussion and problem solving.
 
YellowJacket said:
Here's one for you newbie, Im sure you'll choose to ignore this one also


According to Vince Gironda, the "Iron Guru", desiccated liver contains nucleic acids for proper amino-acid utilization, a growth factor and an anti-estrogen factor, which keeps testosterone levels high, and it is also a great anti-toxin.

"... liver tablets are one of the most potent training aids for the bodybuilder. The formula is an extract which contains only trace amounts of fat and cholesterol, but forty-five times the nutritional value of whole beef liver, yet with all the nutrients and enzymes of raw liver."

"...being very high in useable bodybuilding protein of the highest quality (it contains all the essential amino acids). It's a strong blood builder supplying heme iron. It is a very rich source of B vitamins, especially riboflavin, niacin, B-12, and the lipotropics choline and inositol. It's a good source of vitamins A, C, and D and other micro-nutrients and very rich in minerals such as the anti oxidant selenium, phosphorous, copper, zinc, and GTF chromium (insulin regulator). In addition to these known nutrients, there are substances present in liver shown to have a beneficial effect on health, fitness, and endurance such as cytochrome P-450 and others that have yet to be identified. "


"In a classic experiment, Dr. B. H. Ershoff demonstrated that liver extract was able to boost strength, endurance, performance, and resistance to stress and disease. In a nutshell here's how this occurred:

Dr. Ershoff took three groups of rats and fed them controlled diets for a twelve week period. Group one ate a basic diet fortified with vitamins and minerals. Group two ate as much as they wanted of the same diet plus B vitamins and brewer's yeast. Group three ate the basic diet but had 10% desiccated liver added to their rations.

Then the doctor placed the rats one by one into a drum of water, out of which they could not climb. Therefore, it was either swim or drown. The group one rats swam an average of 13.2 minutes before they all drowned. Group two, an average of 13.4 minutes. Group three, however, were still swimming at the end of two hours, at which time the experiment was concluded. Now either the group three rats had watched the fate of their counterparts very closely, or the liver had something to do with them swimming almost 10 times as long. As far as we know, no other supplement has even come close to liver in improving endurance."
Click to expand...
I made this post at bb.com on a liver tab thread, explaining the benefits of dessicated liver a few months ago. Nice the way you take my posts and use them to your advantage when it suits you. Eric serrano has much more updated tests proving the value of glutamine. But then that's just real world experience, not pubmed, right?

:rolleyes:

Invalid Link Removed
 
John Benz said:

I made this post at bb.com on a liver tab thread, explaining the benefits of dessicated liver a few months ago. Nice the way you take my posts and use them to your advantage when it suits you. Eric serrano has much more updated tests proving the value of glutamine. But then that's just real world experience, not pubmed, right?

:rolleyes:

Invalid Link Removed
Click to expand...

I certainly didnt try to pass it off as my own, since its not all the great. As far as using it to suit me, yes, that was its use as is much of the use of information on the internet. Are you an information Nazi? (LoL).

Eric who? Sorry John, this isnt a glutamine thread.
 
Originally posted by YellowJacket



Can you get fish oil in liquid form? That would make things much easier....
Click to expand...

It's called Cod Liver Oil and you can get it in a variety of different size bottles.
 
OH GOD JOHN NOW YOU COME AND **** IT ALL AGAIN, PLEASE STOP !!!!!!! COME ON , HEY WW7 let's get john benz on the dog house for a while man, he's heating up arguments in every fucking section of AM where YJ is posting.
 
YellowJacket said:
Also, here at AM, we're about taking it upon ourselves to research and help ourselves. Im more than willing to help those who will help themselves. Basic questions, such as the ones asked above, could have been found easily using only this board. Here at AM, we try to avoid the simplistic questions, we are more for advanced discussion and problem solving.
Click to expand...
Jay asked legitimate and pertinent questions. What we don't do here at AM is flame people for asking questions and debating a given topic.
 
John Benz said:

Jay asked legitimate and pertinent questions. What we don't do here at AM is flame people for asking questions and debating a given topic.
Click to expand...


Oh, what a surprise, I thought you'd agree with me :rolleyes:

This following me around, getting punked in each thread that you do, must get very old. Being on a mission to follow my posts and make each of them personal must get old also. Its funny to see you post only in threads where theres potential for drama, for the love of god Im suffocating in this constant bullshit, grow up and get a life, seriously.
 
RaulJimenez said:
OH GOD JOHN NOW YOU COME AND **** IT ALL AGAIN, PLEASE STOP !!!!!!! COME ON , HEY WW7 let's get john benz on the dog house for a while man, he's heating up arguments in every fucking section of AM where YJ is posting.
Click to expand...
Raul,

You did not see the way YJ treated Jay? :confused:
 
Originally posted by jweave23
There's nothing wrong with asking questions when the answers aren't set in stone. Your liver tab FAQ is good, YJ, however is isn't the end-all gospel of liver tab info that will cover every possible tangent that may arise (that would be near impossible to write). The study regarding the anti-fatigue 450 enzyme was a good post (something we used to have over at BB.com), and actually answered a question asked "What will liver tabs give me that whey and a multi won't?" This hardly ruined your thread, it actually gave us more information to examine, which is our goal here at AM, full exploration and analyzation of issues.
Click to expand...

Well said Jweave!
 
Well man don't get involved in those threads, they were directly personal between YJ and JAY, if there is anything "good" "KNOWLEDGEABLE" to be apported to the thread then i think is worth the time responding, otherwise i don't think i see a reason for trying to heat up arguments or follow yj around and try to make him look bad, im not siding anywhere but I think this has got to stop, make peace i don't know , you both look like husband and wife.
 
RaulJimenez said:
Well man don't get involved in those threads, they were directly personal between YJ and JAY, if there is anything "good" "KNOWLEDGEABLE" to be apported to the thread then i think is worth the time responding, otherwise i don't think i see a reason for trying to heat up arguments or follow yj around and try to make him look bad, im not siding anywhere but I think this has got to stop, make peace i don't know , you both look like husband and wife.
Click to expand...

Well said, I husband of course ;)
 
Originally posted by RaulJimenez
Well man don't get involved in those threads, they were directly personal between YJ and JAY, if there is anything "good" "KNOWLEDGEABLE" to be apported to the thread then i think is worth the time responding, otherwise i don't think i see a reason for trying to heat up arguments or follow yj around and try to make him look bad, im not siding anywhere but I think this has got to stop, make peace i don't know , you both look like husband and wife.
Click to expand...

Well that is apart of the problem. If it's personal between YJ and Jay then in should be in PM's. People have the right to ask questions if they dont think the answer has been given in such a way as to satisfy the specifics of their query. When you openly make this this stuff for all to see on the board then it is equally open for everyones comments. Other than that we agree Raul.
 
Hey Jay, getting back to the org. thread here, I followed a link from the post John referred to at BB.com and found Invalid Link Removed which might explain some stuff about the Cytochrome P450 Reductase found in liver tabs that might explain the increased energy. I personally feel one of the great things about liver tabs is the increased energy I experience, perhaps this explains it.
 
windwords7 said:


Well that is apart of the problem. If it's personal between YJ and Jay then in should be in PM's. People have the right to ask questions if they dont think the answer has been given in such a way as to satisfy the specifics of their query. When you openly make this this stuff for all to see on the board then it is equally open for everyones comments. Other than that we agree Raul.
Click to expand...

Technically to support your 'Eden' the questions shouldnt have been asked, all were easy to answer and could have been auto-answered via the search engine. Im not busting the kids balls, well maybe a little, but if no one else does, what will this board become? A bb.com where creatine questions run rampant? I dont think that follows Eden aye? You know the personal attacks Benz is after, you're aware of them, you just choose to avoid them and overlook them and thats cool, they're delt with easily and no sweat off my balls.
 
You and Benz have your own issues. That's nothing to do with anyone else. YJ you did bust Jay's balls and Jay did not ask a standard newbie question. Jay did NOTHING out of line with the Eden vision that Chemo layed out and that has nothing to do with anything at hand.
 
windwords7 said:
You and Benz have your own issues. That's nothing to do with anyone else. YJ you did bust Jay's balls and Jay did not ask a standard newbie question. Jay did NOTHING out of line with the Eden vision that Chemo layed out and that has nothing to do with anything at hand.
Click to expand...

Standard newbie questions to who? You or me? I feel like they could have been found via the search function, and they could have, hence the attitude. Nothing wrong with that. Newbie questions lead to more, more newbie questions lead to more newbies, more newbies equals bb.com, ruining Eden. Come on now, you should be able to see that.

On a final note, I hope everyone, as well as myself, will delete all the bullshit posts in this thread as its pretty ruined now.
 
Originally posted by Draven
Hey Jay, getting back to the org. thread here, I followed a link from the post John referred to at BB.com and found Invalid Link Removed which might explain some stuff about the Cytochrome P450 Reductase found in liver tabs that might explain the increased energy. I personally feel one of the great things about liver tabs is the increased energy I experience, perhaps this explains it.
Click to expand...

Nice Draven, I posted that at BB.com a while back to get Pat Arnold to try and clarify the P450 enzyme for all of us (just a random thread, but he's a sharp mutha!). Unfortunately, with the given info, no one came up with the exact mechanisms by which it is helpful, but that has always been a property of liver tabs, they have "extras" that we haven't fully explored yet. :)
 
Draven, jweave, ww, thanks for the info. I appologize to everyone on the board for causing such a fuss. That really wasn't my intention. I had a question (that finally got answered :) ) If it was a newbie question it probably should have been in the faq anyway, if not, well then some more good info got added along w/some bs...good w/the bad right?

J
 
Jay Mc said:
Draven, jweave, ww, thanks for the info. I appologize to everyone on the board for causing such a fuss. That really wasn't my intention. I had a question (that finally got answered :) ) If it was a newbie question it probably should have been in the faq anyway, if not, well then some more good info got added along w/some bs...good w/the bad right?

J
Click to expand...

Actually, not to beat a dead horse, but if you act like a smartass, you're going to get a smartass. I apologize for not including your question in my FAQ, but as basic as it was, I assumed it to be common sense, I wont make the mistake again.
 
wow i received my order of uni-liver from muscleshoppe.com in one day. they also made a mistake and shipped out my order twice so i got a free 500 tab bottle of uni-liver! woo hoo
 
concerning liver tabs

ive tried universal liver tabs they made me constipated for
three days, and have atrocious gas as well. These symptoms
are fortunatly, although unfortunatly your body's way of telling
you that it disagrees with the supplement you are ingesting.

uni liver is the only liver product i have tried.
i am aware of the beneficial qualities of beef liver and hopefully
i can find a product that my body agrees with so i can continue
taking liver tabs in hopes of reaping the benefits desiccated beef
liver has to offer.

It would be much appreciated if someone has a recomendation
of a liver product that does'nt cause the side effects stated above.

my next purchase may possibly be ultra 40 by bev intl, being that they
claim their product is of superior quality hopefully it will give me the
results i am looking for without the side effects mentioned above.

once again if anyone has any suggestions or recomendations (aside from
the masking techniqe of ginger) it would be most apprieciated.
i'll keep my experimentation with liver products updated as i continue my
search.

"a hypothesis concerning difficult digestion". my query is that maybe the reason
for the digestion process being difficult with the liver tabs is due to the high grain
of the tablets (being 30 to 40). The liver tablets of old that are touted as being a
staple supplement in the diets of many professional bodybuilers of the 60's and 70's
were actually low grain formulated tablets.

My conclusion being that maybe this was a blessing instead of a
curse considering the low grain density of the tablets being more easily/readily
digested rather thanyour high grain dense tablets (30-40 grain) of today.
i dont know just a thought

if any one has tried bev ultra 40 give me a heads up of wiether it gave anyone gas or
constipation or both, before i go out and blow the thirty bucks. and if you guys
know of any companies that still manufacture low grain 7-10 tablets let me know
it'd be much appreciated. remember thats low grain not grade.

thanx all. peace ;)
 
YellowJacket said:
... vegetarains supplement with liver tabs to get their essential amino acids.
Click to expand...

Good post - I have a container of Uni-Liver at work to take throughout the day that I had "forgotten" about.

I just find it funny to point out, that by "most" definitions (yes, there's many), vegetarians "cannot" take liver tabs since they are derived from an animal (and especially because it can only be done once the animal is slaughtered.)
 
lomfran said:
if any one has tried bev ultra 40 give me a heads up of wiether it gave anyone gas or
constipation or both, before i go out and blow the thirty bucks. and if you guys
know of any companies that still manufacture low grain 7-10 tablets let me know
it'd be much appreciated. remember thats low grain not grade.

thanx all. peace ;)
Click to expand...
I had the same problems with Uni-Liver that you described. I switched to Beverly's Ultra 40 and have had NO problems whatsoever, even when taking up to 25 a day. It's a quality product in my opinion, and well worth the extra money.
 
Cosmo Kramer said:
One thing mroe, they also cause a mild amount of water retention creating more of an anabolic environment.
Click to expand...

what if were cutting would i loose benefits because im loosing water or should i drink more water?
 
i noiced alot of people here are using uni-liver (inexpensive). i havent gone that route becaue of the high calcium content. ive heard of the old timers taking 100 liver pills a day, which would translate into about 30 of a bigger liver pill like beverly international ultra-40. anyway, if i were to take only 15 uni-liver tabs, thats a gram and a half of a low-grade calcium (carbonate) which, aside from being an antacid (stomach acid neutralizer that would otherwise be used for proper digestion of nutrients) could lead to other problems like gas and kidney stones. i ordered on called "tried and true" liver because its ceo refuted the practice of adding additives to pretend there is more liver in the pill than there is. also, i like the fact that, unlike with beverly international, he didnt add supplemental b12 (cyanacobalamin) to the mix, but let it be. i ordered beverly international as well, but i havent tried it yet. i did not order uni-liver because, aside from the above things i dont like about it, i read a very logical and thorough review where this guy called "trance" put bev international, nature's way, and uni-liver in a solution of acidity and water matching that of stomach acid. he did this because he said uni-liver failed to produce the same athletic effects by a long shot, and he wanted to know why; he found the uni-liver tabs never dissolved. some dissolved in 2 minutes, but uni-tabs didnt after 2 hours. now this isnt exact science, but i put it all together with the amazingly low price tag and it all just comes together.

i would like to say a word about different vitamin forms, ie a whole food vitamin verses a sysnthetic or isolated compound. the reason why we have 15,000% daily value portions given with common b vitamins is because they are very poorly utilized and the hope is if we take this huge amount, the tiny ratio that will work will grow. the practical problem with this method lies in the bodies rejection of large doses litering the bloodstream; people who take alot of these b complexes end up urinating alot more to rid the excess of useless material, and in the process, more nutrients are lost. further, most b complexes are not coenzymated, meaning that they are useless unless the body can scrounge up enough material to coenzymate but a portion of them. i imagine this resourcefulness is diminished with ongoing use of the huge portion of useless crap found in the typical b-complex. that said, there are alternatives; there are sublingual coenzymated b complexes out there, which deliver an effective dose and there are wholefood complexes, like megafood b complex, which is similar to food. while i liked these forms, i found they gave me an immediate effect that didnt compare to an effect i got from the b's found in beef liver; the reasoning is that food b's will end up having a sustained release effect, and we dont get too much in our bloodstream at once, so we can use it all. ive used tons of the highest quality b complexes, but liver tabs take the cake; they just dont affect me like the food matrix can. its my belief that liver is so amazing because it builds blood, where are other methods really suck, and i say that about the best alternatives, including proferrin (heme iron supplement) albion iron (specialized chelate patent) combined with any coenzyme b12 and methylfolate out there. the addition of p-450, a super anti-toxin and apparent growth factor, makes it better. ianyway, its been well proven that a tiny bit of vitamin c from food is 50 times more potent than supplemental c because of all the cofactors that assist in the absorption and delivery of the vitamin. typical b vitamins are tar derivitives my friends; theres just no comparison.

i would also like to say that paba is extremely beneficial to people who need it. any search under "benefits of paba" will display its function in ALL vital and metabolic functions. ive seen people's gray hair turn black from taking large amounts over time


ive also noticed some strange inconsistancies from one liver-tab brand to the another; for example, solgar dessicated liver has a vitamin A content far below what liver contains, whereas natures way has over double the iron the others claim to. i can only wonder about the varience in how the rest of the products undisclosed nutrients are cut; i asked, and they claim not to know, or they cant be reached. i saw a label for beverly international claiming it had 20mg of b5. if thats accurate, im very impressed because b5 is one of those nutrients they dont add to cereal ect (bad tasting, synthetic has side-effects) and it alone is highly underrated in its ability to stimulate adrenaline and the endocrine system and turn fat into energy. its one of those nutrients that can get deficient just from having an argument with someone (adrenaline). i personally would take liver tabs for that b5 alone. anyway, im started tried and true liver on a low dose (4x of 3000mg a day) but im going for 20 a day. some gas, very occasional. i heard someone claim the gas is from freeze drying liver but i dont have any knowledge past the heresay. another reason may have to do with intestinal bacteria's foundness for iron, and the subsequent gas they produce when they get a bite of something.
 
Ive been using Uni-liver on and off for about 3 years. I saw the movie Pumping iron when it was re-released and saw Lou taking em. They work.
 
anybody out there taking megadoses of liver (ie 20 times 3000mg)? ive attempted to do this with a liver from "tried and true". but unlike some liver supplements, this one has a very bitter/uneatable taste if chewed, which i found intrigueing initially. anyway, ive determined that after a few days that i'm overdosing on copper, as evidenced by the joint pain and slight sore throat, neither of whihc i ever get and both of which indicate depleted sulfer from high copper. 6 tabs a day could have up to 1200% rda of copper, but i believe some brands out there will naturally contain less. the owner of tried and true doesnt know any levels for his product, but ive seen great variations in mineral content from one brand to another. im guessing the unusually bitter taste is my body telling me theres too much of something i dont need, so im going to try beverly international.
 
ok. i checked with beverly int. they said no way high copper in these; they said it would take like 80 tabs to get to 200% copper. im attributing my symptoms to the resulting intolerance ive discovered to liver tabs due, in my case to either their compacted nature or their concentration/extracted nature from pure liver. i say this because i started taking a product called now liver powder, which is not defatted and is only altered in the sense that its been dried and i havent gotten any gas or g i probs from it, even at 60grams a day. ive believe the now is less potent than the tablets out there; its not bitter at all and i notice positive effects only at higher servings, but i think the potency is what messed me up since i tried chewing the tablets and found that didnt work. anyway, i guess my point is that these tablets all seem to have their own cut, even though nobody's listing everything. for example, this now only has 3% iron in 10grams, where natures life has over 150% in the same amount
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top