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Pipes

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Does animal pak have enough support to use that as your multi and your support? I see it has hawthorn berry and milk thistle in it, but wasnt sure if i should use this in addition to cycle assist, or in place of, and also would i need liv.52 if i went this other route? Thanks
 
Pipes said:
Does animal pak have enough support to use that as your multi and your support? I see it has hawthorn berry and milk thistle in it, but wasnt sure if i should use this in addition to cycle assist, or in place of, and also would i need liv.52 if i went this other route? Thanks
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no animal pak isnt enough look at the doses of those items compared to cycle assist or cycle support. If you get cycle assist u dont need liv 52
 
I was wondering the same thing, would preloading of hawthorn berry be needed before a cycle though if ive been taking animal multi paks for 3 weeks now? I know im gonna have to preload liv 52
 
well i think whats being said here is that with cycle assist you dont need hawthorne/milk/liv52.
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
no animal pak isnt enough look at the doses of those items compared to cycle assist or cycle support. If you get cycle assist u dont need liv 52
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Hey man, I went back and checked. CA has 500mg Milk thistle and 300 Hawthorne berry. Animal Pak has 500mg Milk thistle and 250 Hawthorne berry. Im not sure what you mean the doses are not comparable. Liv.52 has none of these included.

Based on what Ive seen on the nutrition labels of all three, Animal Pak is the way to go. Apparently thats not the case in the real world scenario. This is where research and reading and search buttons don't come in handy.

Can anyone explain to me why its better to use CA than AP? Thanks alot, appreciation in advance.


Liv.52 ingredients

Capers / Himsra (Capparis spinosa) 65mg
Wild chicory / Kasani (Cichorium intybus) 65mg
Ferric Oxide Calx / Mandur Bhasma 33mg
Black Nightshade / Kakamachi (Solanum nigrum) 32mg
Arjuna (Terminalia arjuna) 32mg
Negro coffee / Kasamarda (Cassia occidentalis) 16mg
Yarrow / Biranjasipha (Achillea millefolium) 16mg
Tamarisk / Jhavuka (Tamarix gallica ) 16mg processed in Bhringaraja,Bhumyaamlaki, Punarnava, Guduchi, Daruhardra, Mulaka, Amalaki, Chitraka,Vidanga,Haritaki & Parpata.
Preservatives: Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Methylparaben Sodium, Propylparaben Sodium.


Animal Pack

Calories 40
Total Carbohydrates 4g <2%*
Dietary Fiber 2g 8%*
Protein 6g 12%*
Vitamin A (As Carotenoids [B-Carotene, A-Carotene], Acetate) 9900IU 198%
Vitamin C(as Ascorbic Acid, Ascorbyl Palmitate) 1g 1667%
Vitamin D(as Cholecalciferol) 680IU 170%
Vitamin E(as D-A, D-B, D-Y, D-A Tocopherols & Tocotrienols) 300IU 1000%
Thiamin(as Mononitrate) 76mg 5067%
Riboflavin 76mg 4471%
Niacin(as Niacinamide) 82mg 410%
Vitamin B6(as Pyridoxine AKG, Pyridoxine HCl) 180mg 9000%
Folic Acid 400mcg 100%
Vitamin B12(as Methylcobalamin, Cyanocobalamin) 11mcg 185%
Biotin 300mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid 76mg 760%
Calcium 2g 200%
Phosphorus 1330mg 133%
Iodine(from Kelp) 150mcg 100%
Magnesium(as Oxide) 400mg 100%
Zinc(as Oxide) 30mg 200%
Selenium(as Sodium Selenate) 50mcg 71%
Copper(as Sulfate) 600mcg 30%
Manganese(as Sulfate) 5mg 250%
Chromium(as Chloride) 60mcg 50%
Potassium(as Sulfate) 200mg 6%


Amino Acid Complex

Alanine 279mg **
Arginine 1213mg **
Aspartic Acid 498mg **
Cystine 110mg **
Glutamic Acid 653mg **
Glutamine 174mg **
Glycine 180mg **
Histidine 92mg **
Isoleucine (BCAA/EAA) 284mg **
Leucine (BCAA/EAA) 509mg **
Lysine (EAA) 418mg **
Methionine (EAA) 125mg **
Phenylalanine (EAA) 192mg **
Proline 203mg **
Serine 250mg **
Threonine (EAA) 283mg **
Tryptophan (EAA) 81mg **
Tyrosine 164mg **
Valine (BCAA/EAA) 289mg **

Performance Complex

Uni-Liver 4080mg **
Carnitine 25mg **
Choline 250mg **
Eleuthero (Root) 1750mg **
Hawthorn (Berry) 250mg **
Inositol 125mg **
Milk Thistle 500mg **
Oriental Ginseng (Root) 250mg **
Para-Aminobenzoic Acid 400mg **
Pyridoxine A-Ketoglutarate 200mg **

Antioxidant Complex

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) 100mg **
Citrus Bioflavonoids 1000mg **
Coenzyme Q10 (CoQ10) 5mg **
Grapeseed Extract 50mg **
Lutein 1mg **
Lycopene 1mg **
Pine Bark Extract 200mg **

Digestive Enzyme Complex

Bromelain 100mg **
Inulin 250mg **
Lipase (6000 LU) 10mg **
Pancreatin 700mg **
Papain 64mg **
Pepsin 64mg **

* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
** Daily Value (DV) not established.


Cycle Assist

Supplement Facts:
Serving Size: 4 capsule
Servings per Container: 60

Amount Per Serving:
N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine (NAC) – 750 mg
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) – 500 mg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) – 500 mg
Hawthorn Berry Extract (Standardized to 1.8% Vitexin) – 300 mg
Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine HCl) – 200 mg
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) – 160 mg
Celery Seed Extract (10:1) – 75 mg
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) – 75 mg
Policosanol – 20 mg
Zinc Gluconate – 15 mg
 
^ thats 2 packs a day, no one needs 2 packs and it can actually be harmful with over abundance of some of the ingredients in animal paks. Plus thatsonly half of what your supposed to take of cycle assist per day
 
Cycle assist you posted 1 serving when youre supposed to take 2 servings per day which gives u more than what Animal pak has. Animal pak is a multi and cycle assist is made for a purpose. Liv 52 is not for blood pressure that is why there is no Hawthorne berry. Liv 52 is for your liver not anything else cycle related
 
IronMan51 said:
what would the necessary liver support be for a prohormone could you please give good brands as well
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AI Cycle support

BCS cycle Stack

CEL cycle assist

SNS liver Assist

or make your own and take something around:
1g NAC, 600-900 mg ALA, Liv 52, and hawthorne for bp, saw palmetto optional
 
I personally always use an all in one such as Cycle Support or Assist, and just to be on the safe side I always add Liv52. You can't go wrong with an all in one as it would be expensive and futile trying to supplement with everything individually, and Liv52 has stood the test of time and has proven to be an excellent liver support supplement.

Animal Pak is a solid multi, but is not meant as support supplement for being on cycle, it is just a great multi (one of the best) and that is all.
 
So CA has NAC which is supposed to help break down disulfide bonds in mucus, used to treat cystic fibrosis. I assume the practicality of this in our purposes would be to help break down some of the ingredients in hdrol making liver absorbtion better, or to bring down the toxicity level? Is that right?

With CA, you wouldnt need liv.52.. or is it in addition to. Ive also read that its fine to go with a centrum multi to help cost with almost the same benefit as other multis, but maybe not maximum benefit. But benefit to cost ratio is better. Am I close to correct?
 
Pipes said:
So CA has NAC which is supposed to help break down disulfide bonds in mucus, used to treat cystic fibrosis. I assume the practicality of this in our purposes would be to help break down some of the ingredients in hdrol making liver absorbtion better, or to bring down the toxicity level? Is that right?

With CA, you wouldnt need liv.52.. or is it in addition to. Ive also read that its fine to go with a centrum multi to help cost with almost the same benefit as other multis, but maybe not maximum benefit. But benefit to cost ratio is better. Am I close to correct?
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NAC converts to Glutathione which is an enzyme used by the liver. NAC helps the liver repair itself thats what it has to do with using it on cycle not helping absorbtion or whatever you said about cystic fibrosis . Im not saying it doesnt do that but its to protect and heal the liver
 
yea, thats why i wanted some more info on what it breaks down to with these purposes. i just kept finding medical reasons which i knew were different. thanks for the info on the nac.
 
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