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clifford4970

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So I ran a PH back in July through August and then ran the PCT (over the counter). About a month and a half started to get puffy/sensitive nips. I did not run a SERM like Nova or an AI with my PH or PCT.

I have Nova, Letro and Liqiudex. I have been told to take the Nova and Letro together. Run the nova for 4 weeks and the letro until gyno is gone and then taper off. Liqiudex is there for a just in case?

Any help is welcomed. Just want to make sure i am doing this correctly and not messing my system up more than i have so far.
 
I have also read that i want to take Letro by itself, and then once i have tapered off, use Nova to prevent Estro Rebound (nova at 20/20/10/10). Sorry to post twice before any response.
 
Letro first than Nolva I forget the taper off the top of my head but if you do a search it will pop up. I've done this way worked great
 
Nope the Letro will take care of the gyno the Nolva is just a precaution if I remember right you taper up the Letro not down though
 
clifford4970 said:
So I ran a PH back in July through August and then ran the PCT (over the counter). About a month and a half started to get puffy/sensitive nips. I did not run a SERM like Nova or an AI with my PH or PCT. I have Nova, Letro and Liqiudex. I have been told to take the Nova and Letro together. Run the nova for 4 weeks and the letro until gyno is gone and then taper off. Liqiudex is there for a just in case? Any help is welcomed. Just want to make sure i am doing this correctly and not messing my system up more than i have so far.
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Look into raloxifene man. **** works wonders for gyno. I'd look at letro as a last resort because the treatment itself sucks balls. Raloxifene is awesome at reducing steroid induced gyno.
 
mixedup said:
Letro is the only compound I know that will reverse the gyno once you have it the Nolva wI'll prevent the rebound
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This is wrong. Nolva was developed to specifically target breast tissue growth. It has nothing to do with rebound. Rebound can be taken care of with an AI but nolva, ralox and letro should be in your arsenal if you have steroid induced gyno.
 
jarod86 said:
Wait. Is gyno puffy/sensitive nips or is it full on man tits (pecs shaped like tits)?
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It starts off as itchy and sensitive but if let untreated it can develop into lumps, and if the lumps aren't treated quickly you'll have a nice pair of boobies lol.
 
Lukef2000 said:
This is wrong. Nolva was developed to specifically target breast tissue growth. It has nothing to do with rebound. Rebound can be taken care of with an AI but nolva, ralox and letro should be in your arsenal if you have steroid induced gyno.
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With what I have, Nolva, Letro and liquidex, how should I take them? Nolva and Letro together? And liquidex to prevent rebound?
 
clifford4970 said:
With what I have, Nolva, Letro and liquidex, how should I take them? Nolva and Letro together? And liquidex to prevent rebound?
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I would run the nolva and letro together. Make sure you take your letro like mentioned above. Letro therapy sucks tho, be prepared for incredibly sore joints and loss of libido.
 
Lukef2000 said:
It starts off as itchy and sensitive but if let untreated it can develop into lumps, and if the lumps aren't treated quickly you'll have a nice pair of boobies lol.
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Thanks.

Currently in Ostarine.

Nips a little perky though I dare say this is just a slight reaction to estrogen increase.

Formeron being used to counter somewhat.
 
Get some ralox. and run it with the letro. Taper the doses up to 2.5mg and then back down the same way. Run the ralox at 60mg a day. Then use nolvadex for 2 weeks to help with rebound issues.
 
Lukef2000 said:
I would run the nolva and letro together. Make sure you take your letro like mentioned above. Letro therapy sucks tho, be prepared for incredibly sore joints and loss of libido.
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K, but this is where I get confused. I have been told to run Letro on its own, then Nolva after to prevent rebound, and then I have been told run them together and the used liquidex (AI) every other day for two weeks after Nolva/Letro to prevent rebound. What is the best solution?
 
clifford4970 said:
K, but this is where I get confused. I have been told to run Letro on its own, then Nolva after to prevent rebound, and then I have been told run them together and the used liquidex (AI) every other day for two weeks after Nolva/Letro to prevent rebound. What is the best solution?
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You can run it on its own for sure, the idea behind running it with nolva is that it (gyno) will be getting attacked via two different pathways making it more effective than a singular compound (letro). Nolva will do nothing to prevent rebound, nolva specifically targets breast tissue growth, it does absolutely nothing to lower your estrogen levels. If you taper your letro properly then rebound shouldn't be a problem.
 
Everything I have read says it is still good to take nolva for 2 weeks after finishing letro till estrogen levels normalize.
 
damn shame said:
Everything I have read says it is still good to take nolva for 2 weeks after finishing letro till estrogen levels normalize.
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It wouldn't hurt, all the nolva will do is prevent estrogen binding to breast tissue. It won't do anything to reduce the levels of estrogen in your body. Anyway if you taper letro slowly then estrogen rebound won't be an issue.
 
Lukef2000 said:
It wouldn't hurt, all the nolva will do is prevent estrogen binding to breast tissue. It won't do anything to reduce the levels of estrogen in your body. Anyway if you taper letro slowly then estrogen rebound won't be an issue.
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How would you taper off?
I know back down from 2.5 to .5, but how long at .5 and how often?
Thanks!
 
Don't mean to hijack thread but

If you taper letro from a lower does like .75 -.25 over a course of ~3 weeks or so without seeing gyno after the .25 would you need you need the SERM? or would there be a rebound still when letro is stopped completely
 
Shysty said:
Don't mean to hijack thread but

If you taper letro from a lower does like .75 -.25 over a course of ~3 weeks or so without seeing gyno after the .25 would you need you need the SERM? or would there be a rebound still when letro is stopped completely
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Personally I would say yes. (others may disagree) Low doses of letro can still cause a very high suppression of estrogen so rebound is still possible. Not worth the risk IMO

As Lukef2000 said, nolva does not stop estrogen levels rising but it would stop them from binding to breast tissue till levels normalize.
 
damn shame said:
Personally I would say yes. (others may disagree) Low doses of letro can still cause a very high suppression of estrogen so rebound is still possible. Not worth the risk IMO As Lukef2000 said, nolva does not stop estrogen levels rising but it would stop them from binding to breast tissue till levels normalize.
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Would it be alright running Nolva that long? 6-8 weeks?
 
Just run the Nolva until your gyno or symptoms are gone or under control.. Follow up with a ai and use a nice taper.. Ralox worked faster than Nolva for me, but either will do the job..
Letro sucks like Luke said....
 
Nolvadex is run during PCT for an average of 4 to 6 weeks so no problem.

I agree ralox is better. Currently running ralox with letro to shrink pre-exisiting gyno. The lumps have gone down quite a lot after 3 weeks. Going to run for a further 2 weeks and then start my next cycle.
 
Lukef2000 said:
Look into raloxifene man. **** works wonders for gyno. I'd look at letro as a last resort because the treatment itself sucks balls. Raloxifene is awesome at reducing steroid induced gyno.
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So I have been taking Letro for 4 weeks. I also took Nolva at 20/20/10/10. I am no longer taking Nolva but I am still taking the Letro. Just wanted to get thoughts on if I should stop the Letro and get some raloxifene?
And if so, should I taper off Letro or just stop taking it when I start taking raloxifene?
Guess I need help from here on out since I don't feel the Letro is really working.
 
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