TheCrownedOne
Registered User
Ok man, ok, no need to get defensive. Just curious, that's all.lifted said:
lifted's PowerFULL result thread...
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lifted
Well-known member
Day 14
-I have two more days left at 9caps/day. I will not be buying more since I can't afford the steep price. 2 weeks for 45 bucks just isn't worth it IMO, although the results I had were still pretty good. Please see further explanation below for my reasoning behind the tolerance and price factor.
-Trained chest/tris today and got a couple more reps, but nothing too great. I think that you build tolerance to this stuff pretty fast. Because the first few days with 6 caps/ED, I had noticed some great effects and it seemed to really level off after that and actually seemed to lose effect as far as size/strength/libido goes. Then I bumped to 9/day and got those great feelings again this time with some descent strength/size gains, but again it seemed to taper off a few days later. I've heard of this happening with herbs such as fenugreek ,etc. so it's not too far off base.
-Sleep and dreams are still crazy and I woke up last night with a raging heartbeat..lol. Too nuts man, too nuts.
-weight is still hovering around 265 and waist has gained back that initial 1/2" loss. :sad: Arms have still kept the 1/4" increase though.
-All in all it's been an okay experience, but like I said above, the dose seems to be 9 caps/day minimum and the stuff seems to lose it's effect after awhile. So upping the dose every so often by a couple caps may be in the user's best interest if size/strength is the main interest. But again, this is where the price factor comes into play.
-Hopefully this log was helpful to most guys out there, and if there are any additional questions or comments, please feel free to ask, thx.
-I have two more days left at 9caps/day. I will not be buying more since I can't afford the steep price. 2 weeks for 45 bucks just isn't worth it IMO, although the results I had were still pretty good. Please see further explanation below for my reasoning behind the tolerance and price factor.
-Trained chest/tris today and got a couple more reps, but nothing too great. I think that you build tolerance to this stuff pretty fast. Because the first few days with 6 caps/ED, I had noticed some great effects and it seemed to really level off after that and actually seemed to lose effect as far as size/strength/libido goes. Then I bumped to 9/day and got those great feelings again this time with some descent strength/size gains, but again it seemed to taper off a few days later. I've heard of this happening with herbs such as fenugreek ,etc. so it's not too far off base.
-Sleep and dreams are still crazy and I woke up last night with a raging heartbeat..lol. Too nuts man, too nuts.
-weight is still hovering around 265 and waist has gained back that initial 1/2" loss. :sad: Arms have still kept the 1/4" increase though.
-All in all it's been an okay experience, but like I said above, the dose seems to be 9 caps/day minimum and the stuff seems to lose it's effect after awhile. So upping the dose every so often by a couple caps may be in the user's best interest if size/strength is the main interest. But again, this is where the price factor comes into play.
-Hopefully this log was helpful to most guys out there, and if there are any additional questions or comments, please feel free to ask, thx.
psywzrd
Member
Thanks for the great log, lifted - it was very helpful. Sounds like it might make sense to gradually build up to 9/day with this stuff. Maybe 6/day for a week, 7/day for a week, etc. Unfortunately, it definitely seems like your initial enthusiasm for PF leveled off as you got closer to the end of your cycle. I don't know about you but personally I don't need something that helps me sleep better and gives me wood. I'm just looking for something that will help me gain a few lbs. of lean muscle without giving me a back full of zits and making me all bloated (not saying PF causes acne and bloating, just saying what I'm looking for). I'm going to reserve judgment on PF until I finish my 2 bottles since I just ramped up to 9/day starting this weekend. I'm not noticing any effects (positive or negative) yet other than maybe helping me fall asleep easier. I still have high hopes based on other logs I've been following but I'm a classic hard-gainer so we'll see what happens.lifted said:Day 14
-I have two more days left at 9caps/day. I will not be buying more since I can't afford the steep price. 2 weeks for 45 bucks just isn't worth it IMO, although the results I had were still pretty good. Please see further explanation below for my reasoning behind the tolerance and price factor.
-Trained chest/tris today and got a couple more reps, but nothing too great. I think that you build tolerance to this stuff pretty fast. Because the first few days with 6 caps/ED, I had noticed some great effects and it seemed to really level off after that and actually seemed to lose effect as far as size/strength/libido goes. Then I bumped to 9/day and got those great feelings again this time with some descent strength/size gains, but again it seemed to taper off a few days later. I've heard of this happening with herbs such as fenugreek ,etc. so it's not too far off base.
-Sleep and dreams are still crazy and I woke up last night with a raging heartbeat..lol. Too nuts man, too nuts.
-weight is still hovering around 265 and waist has gained back that initial 1/2" loss. :sad: Arms have still kept the 1/4" increase though.
-All in all it's been an okay experience, but like I said above, the dose seems to be 9 caps/day minimum and the stuff seems to lose it's effect after awhile. So upping the dose every so often by a couple caps may be in the user's best interest if size/strength is the main interest. But again, this is where the price factor comes into play.
-Hopefully this log was helpful to most guys out there, and if there are any additional questions or comments, please feel free to ask, thx.
CEDeoudes59
USA HOCKEY
*i'm watching*
Goodluck!
Goodluck!
CEDeoudes59
USA HOCKEY
Lifted, I don't want to drag you off topic but - seeing as you've 'pushed the limits' in terms of anabolic training - i have one question...
what do you think about 'receptor' theories?
is it neccessary for a time-off period or simply raising doses squashes this 'receptor' theory?
what do you think about 'receptor' theories?
is it neccessary for a time-off period or simply raising doses squashes this 'receptor' theory?
lifted
Well-known member
No prob bro, I don't mind.CEDeoudes59 said:
Receptor theories are something I don't know the answer to. I've always thought that when I ran cycles with very little time off, my gains were less and less each time.
For example, This last year (2004) I ran a 10 week test only cycle, took 6 weeks off ran another 10 weeker, took 8 weeks off, and then ran another 14 weeker with test/deca and honestly, the first cycle that I used the lowest dose and for the one of the lowest time frames of all three, my gains were the best...weird huh? So, this could either be from receptor clogging, or tolerance build-up, who knows. :think:
I've never ran a cycle for over 14 weeks if my memory serves me correctly. pff.. But I've also noticed that I always got the same gains the whole way through w/o having to up my doses. Not saying that I wouldn't have gained more by doing so, but just that I didn't have to. And not until I actually went off and got back on (bloodwork taken each time mind you) did I see it fit to raise doses, and even then I didn't see the type and quality of gains that I did when I first started...although it could be from genetic limitations too, so as you can see there are numerous variables in this equation, so my answer is I don't know, this is my final answer....
I've seen studies proving both sides and I still don't know what to believe. I think that a good experiment would be this:
Have a guy do a cycle and with 500mg. Do PCT, take some time off, get bloodwork, and then have him lose all of the weight he gained. Then just do it again...get him on 500mg, end it, PCT, bloodowrk, and then lose the weight....just keep doing this over and over (like 10 times) and see if the guy has a harder time getting gains or not. HAve him keep the same diet/training and since everything will be the same and the genetic limit thing won't be a factor since he'll be starting at the same weight each time, it would be a good controlled study...wish I had the time and resources to do it. :sad:
CEDeoudes59
USA HOCKEY
wow thanks lifted - great stuff.
I'm considering 'pushing the limits' so to speak myself. Everyone has a different opinion of use vs. abuse. I figure - if you are to get aggressive (and not abide by time on = time off) you are MUCH safer doing all injectables. Test and Deca seem to be the safest old-school bet for continued growth.
My only concern, honestly, is sterility.
That's why i'll continue to cycle - rather than cruising. The cost:benefit to cruising (let's face it - HRT) isn't worth it below 30 years old for most.
Sterility is my only concern because I seem to have the lipids and liver issues under control. IGF is growing my hair back!
thanks for the feedback, anything else you which to mention - go for it.
oh yeah - do you use HCG during your cycle?
story of my life, especially in my prohormone years. 20 days on, 28 days off. Back to where I started. Glad I moved on...
I'm considering 'pushing the limits' so to speak myself. Everyone has a different opinion of use vs. abuse. I figure - if you are to get aggressive (and not abide by time on = time off) you are MUCH safer doing all injectables. Test and Deca seem to be the safest old-school bet for continued growth.
My only concern, honestly, is sterility.
That's why i'll continue to cycle - rather than cruising. The cost:benefit to cruising (let's face it - HRT) isn't worth it below 30 years old for most.
Sterility is my only concern because I seem to have the lipids and liver issues under control. IGF is growing my hair back!
thanks for the feedback, anything else you which to mention - go for it.
oh yeah - do you use HCG during your cycle?
lifted said:
story of my life, especially in my prohormone years. 20 days on, 28 days off. Back to where I started. Glad I moved on...
wastedwhiteboy2
Board Supporter
they say muscle memory does not exist but it sure seems easier to get back there once you have been there.
lifted
Well-known member
Yeah, as long as bloodwork is being done on a regular basis, I have no problem with longer cycles and less breaks in between. The thing that bothers me most anymore though is this damn acne that I always fall prey to. That along with seeing all of these younger guys that use AAS drop dead lately. That is just VERY hard to overlook.CEDeoudes59 said:
I just saw that a young guy (28) username Brooklynjuice who is on a lot of boards, just passed away a few days back...haven't checked back to see what from yet. But things like that just get me very paranoid about my AAS use.
I agree about the orals...I try to stay away from them as much as possible anymore. Although dbols are hard to throw away...lol. I think that deca/eq and test will do very well on their own w/o any mention of other compounds to your body, no doubt. I do very poorly off of Test only cycles until I hit the 750+ mark. Benefit to risk is just not worth it unless I up the dose. Throw in some deca and it's night and day.
I never really saw any different results when using HCG, as I never really see any kind of testicle atrophy anways. So I decided to just save the money and use it for a cort blocker or creatine, etc during PCT.
That's great to hear that igf is working for you....I've yet to try it still.
