Libido not good while on Test 600mg/ week

[p1nchharmonic]

I'm four weeks into my first cycle. Test 600mg/week, proviron 50mg a day, and about 6mg aromasin every 3 days.

Last bloods had my testosterone levels off the charts (>1500) and estradiol was about 33.

I had issues getting it up last night. I have been banging my air bnb tenant occasionally, but shes not very attractive. I was under the impression my sex drive should be crazy at this point during my cycle. What could be causing this? Do I need to start hcG?

 

[Whisky]

Everyone responds differently bro. The DHT derivatives tend to be more typically the libido enhancers. Me personally test has me wanting to **** the crack in my sofa I’m so horny but everyone is different.

personally I think your e is too low btw, that can be double where you are. Keep an eye out for gyno sides but you don’t want e too low. Could be the libido issue.

oh and try fucking more attractive women.....?

 

[cheftepesh1]

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[Hyde]

Everyone responds differently bro. The DHT derivatives tend to be more typically the libido enhancers. Me personally test has me wanting to **** the crack in my sofa I’m so horny but everyone is different.

personally I think your e is too low btw, that can be double where you are. Keep an eye out for gyno sides but you don’t want e too low. Could be the libido issue.

oh and try fucking more attractive women.....?

All of this, every bit. Especially the part about not getting aroused by people you aren’t into - that’s just common sense.

 

[Renew1]

"oh and try fucking more attractive women.....?"

^^ THIS ^^

There's some good advice in this thread, but if I had to pick one thing, it would be that.

I can't stress this enough.

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Bloods from last week

 

[Hyde]

Looks tremendous. Although I would reduce AI frequency slightly; 35-40 is where my estrogen sits when my total test is off-cycle around 600 and I feel pretty good. Seems pretty low for 4k, ratio-wise. You might grow a little better backing that off slightly. You certainly have room to.

 

[Whisky]

Looks tremendous. Although I would reduce AI frequency slightly; 35-40 is where my estrogen sits when my total test is off-cycle around 600 and I feel pretty good. Seems pretty low for 4k, ratio-wise. You might grow a little better backing that off slightly. You certainly have room to.

yep yep yep

 

[Jinsun]

So much talk but nobody mentions prolactin and progesterone? OP please measure those two. Prolactin is notorious for desteoying libido. And don't think that just because you are not taking a 19nor, that those two can't be out of order. Also secondly, try getting your E2 in the 20-25 region. This is also contrary to what was written above, but letting e2 sit higher the it already is is imo probably not going to help you at all.

I think this is the second time I am writting you this.
Take 25mg aromasin 2 times (with 2 days rest in between). That should lower it to 20. Have you tried this before on this cycle? If you havent, I am certain that it's going to have a big impact. After that, take 12.5 eod. Mind you, aromasin is not linear, regarding it's pharmacokinetics. And it's really hard to crash your e2 on a 500+ test, with it. Although, you dont seem to arometise that much. For such a small dose of aromasin and for so much free T, your e2 is low.

Also, if you have any caber at hand, try taking 0.5 e4d. How is your blood pressure?

Also I see your SHBG is way low. SHBG is crucial. You need to get it up. Stop using proviron, you do not need it at all. I don't know why you are taking. Your free test is high af, which means you also have a ton of DHT in your system. YOU do not need proviron.

Imo you need a stronger ai (letro) that you can take in smaller doses, that will lower E2 a bit more and wont affect shbg as much as aromasin does.

This is all concrete advice. Hope you try out some of it. Lowering E2 is especially easy. And if you lower it to much don't worry, it will be back up asap as your free T is so high. That beeing said, if you do have a type 2 Ai on your hands, lower your e2 with that.

 

[Hyde]

So much talk but nobody mentions prolactin and progesterone? OP please measure those two. Prolactin is notorious for desteoying libido. And don't think that just because you are not taking a 19nor, that those two can't be out of order. Also secondly, try getting your E2 in the 20-25 region. This is also contrary to what was written above, but letting e2 sit higher the it already is is imo probably not going to help you at all.

I think this is the second time I am writting you this.
Take 25mg aromasin 2 times (with 2 days rest in between). That should lower it to 20. Have you tried this before on this cycle? If you havent, I am certain that it's going to have a big impact. After that, take 12.5 eod. Mind you, aromasin is not linear, regarding it's pharmacokinetics. And it's really hard to crash your e2 on a 500+ test, with it. Although, you dont seem to arometise that much. For such a small dose of aromasin and for so much free T, your e2 is low.

Also, if you have any caber at hand, try taking 0.5 e4d. How is your blood pressure?

Also I see your SHBG is way low. SHBG is crucial. You need to get it up. Stop using proviron, you do not need it at all. I don't know why you are taking. Your free test is high af, which means you also have a ton of DHT in your system. YOU do not need proviron.

Imo you need a stronger ai (letro) that you can take in smaller doses, that will lower E2 a bit more and wont affect shbg as much as aromasin does.

This is all concrete advice. Hope you try out some of it. Lowering E2 is especially easy. And if you lower it to much don't worry, it will be back up asap as your free T is so high. That beeing said, if you do have a type 2 Ai on your hands, lower your e2 with that.

Terrible advice on estrogen & SHBG management

If you wanna spend all the money to test prolactin and subsequently take Caber, go for it. Or just take some Caber and see how you feel if it’s really an immediate issue.

BUT why you would want to destroy your estrogen from such an already low 1:10 ratio, and subsequently your IGF1, immune system, your lipids, your joint comfort, is beyond me.

Have you considered his SHBG is so low because he is taking Proviron? Have you even considered how raising SHBG, and lowering DHT, will negatively impact libido? Are you drunk posting?

 

[Smont]

So much talk but nobody mentions prolactin and progesterone? OP please measure those two. Prolactin is notorious for desteoying libido. And don't think that just because you are not taking a 19nor, that those two can't be out of order. Also secondly, try getting your E2 in the 20-25 region. This is also contrary to what was written above, but letting e2 sit higher the it already is is imo probably not going to help you at all.

I think this is the second time I am writting you this.
Take 25mg aromasin 2 times (with 2 days rest in between). That should lower it to 20. Have you tried this before on this cycle? If you havent, I am certain that it's going to have a big impact. After that, take 12.5 eod. Mind you, aromasin is not linear, regarding it's pharmacokinetics. And it's really hard to crash your e2 on a 500+ test, with it. Although, you dont seem to arometise that much. For such a small dose of aromasin and for so much free T, your e2 is low.

Also, if you have any caber at hand, try taking 0.5 e4d. How is your blood pressure?

Also I see your SHBG is way low. SHBG is crucial. You need to get it up. Stop using proviron, you do not need it at all. I don't know why you are taking. Your free test is high af, which means you also have a ton of DHT in your system. YOU do not need proviron.

Imo you need a stronger ai (letro) that you can take in smaller doses, that will lower E2 a bit more and wont affect shbg as much as aromasin does.

This is all concrete advice. Hope you try out some of it. Lowering E2 is especially easy. And if you lower it to much don't worry, it will be back up asap as your free T is so high. That beeing said, if you do have a type 2 Ai on your hands, lower your e2 with that.

I'm the opposite for estrogen. I feel way way way better in the high normal even slightly above normal range. Once I drop below the norm I start loosing sex drive

 

[Smont]

Terrible advice on estrogen & SHBG management

If you wanna spend all the money to test prolactin and subsequently take Caber, go for it. Or just take some Caber and see how you feel if it’s really an immediate issue.

BUT why you would want to destroy your estrogen from such an already low 1:10 ratio, and subsequently your IGF1, immune system, your lipids, your joint comfort, is beyond me.

Have you considered his SHBG is so low because he is taking Proviron? Have you even considered how raising SHBG, and lowering DHT, will negatively impact libido? Are you drunk posting?

Agreed

 

[StarScream66]

I would drop the aromasin completely and see how you feel. Estrogen is necessary for a lot of things, and completely getting rid of it can cause negative effects in a variety of areas. I posted this in another thread, so I figured I would post it here too.

What I do for my libido is I bought some liquid Cialis from RUI Labs. Then I also take 2.5mg of Yohimbine HCL. Yohimbine is prescribed for erectile dysfunction under the brand name Aphrodyne.

I also take 1 tablet of Tribestan, which is the original tribulus formula and it's shipped from Bulgaria, where tribulus is grown naturally and how it was discovered.

Tribulus isn't going to increase your test, but it does boost LH levels so it can sort of help during PCT. But it's mainly for a libido boost. You might also try NOW TestoJack 200. It has a lot of good ingredients for a libido boost, including tribulus, Maca root, Tongkat Ali and more.

-SS

I also just posted a couple other things about the benefits of estrogen in another thread

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[CroLifter]

My libido was nothing to write home about on 500 test, felt same as natty. Proviron and masteron aswell, zero boost.

Hcg on the other hand...crazy libido.

Also, my prolactin surged on test.

your e2 might be too low for the amoun of test you have in your system...who knows...

 

[Jinsun]

Have you considered his SHBG is so low because he is taking Proviron? Have you even considered how raising SHBG, and lowering DHT, will negatively impact libido? Are you drunk posting?

Yes. It's why I said to drop it. He does not need it. For this reason and for the reason that he has, judging from his free T number, more then enough DHT in him in order for his Dickey to work.

Also, yes, quite sober.

Terrible advice on estrogen & SHBG management

I'm speaking from experience. 20 vs 40 e2 is night and day for me. I do realise how it might sound, if you are coming from ratios, that what you were subsequently mentioning. Let's just get one thing straight. He has free T way way up. If he would to drop it by 15+ points, no lower then 20, if he wouldn't feel ok, his e2 would be back in one week, if he didn't use an Ai for that time off course. And to add to that, having cca 25 e2 on a 500mg test cycle is a really common practice upon which nobody died from. So no, I do not consider it "terrible advice". I consider it something that is not harmful and has a good possibility in helping or at least, demystifying further, what might be wrong.

If you wanna spend all the money to test prolactin and subsequently take Caber, go for it. Or just take some Caber and see how you feel if it’s really an immediate issue.

Measuring both where I am from, would together cost 15€. Results would be same day. Don't know how it looks like from where OP is writing. Besides, again, taking 0.5 caber once or twice, to see if there is a good effect on the libido, would do no real harm. Took it plenty of times like that and felt fine. It's seldomly used in such a way. Caber is also really cheap here, so I have it on hand every cycle, for precaution/cycle management. As I do all other ancillaries: different serm's, both Ai types, Beta blockers, proviron, etc. I've micro managed my cycle to a fine science.

I know exactly what's going to do what, and how I feel and function on the stuff I've used thus far. So no, I am not drunk, I just feel comfortable giving this advice.

Off course I'm up for debating what ever. kind sir thank you

 

[CroLifter]

Effin forgot...it is because of the coronavirus...your d1ck adheres to the social distancing rules, so it doesnt want any action

 

[Jinsun]

Effin forgot...it is because of the coronavirus...your d1ck adheres to the social distancing rules, so it doesnt want any action

Yeah. It's just depression and apathy.

 

[Hyde]

@Jinsun Measuring prolactin here costs more than a full female hormone panel with CMP & Lipids independently, without a doctor’s order and insurance paying for it. And Caber is by far the most expensive ancillary, about $60-80 for 20mg black market. Still, taking a dose is almost guaranteed to push his libido some if he can get it. Or at least help his sex by making finishing easier lol.


Although I firmly disagree with you on the estrogen standpoint, I can’t tell you what feels best for you. But I certainly don’t see how lowering DHT via dropping Proviron would help his libido increase at all.

 

[thebigt]

@Jinsun Measuring prolactin here costs more than a full female hormone panel with CMP & Lipids independently, without a doctor’s order and insurance paying for it. And Caber is by far the most expensive ancillary, about $60-80 for 20mg black market. Still, taking a dose is almost guaranteed to push his libido some if he can get it. Or at least help his sex by making finishing easier lol.


Although I firmly disagree with you on the estrogen standpoint, I can’t tell you what feels best for you. But I certainly don’t see how lowering DHT via dropping Proviron would help his libido increase at all.

maybe add in a quality brand mucuna pruriens?

 

[p1nchharmonic]

Well I just banged some married chick tonight and came twice in 30 minutes. Only thing I've changed is I started hcg yesterday

 

[mase1]

I can't do trest or test anymore, libido too high. No matter low or high dose. Love my wife but I get mean needing it every second. Especially now, omg. Home all day. Lol.

 

[thebigt]

I can't do trest or test anymore, libido too high. No matter low or high dose. Love my wife but I get mean needing it every second. Especially now, omg. Home all day. Lol.

trest is a 'killer', lol.

 

[Jinsun]

But I certainly don’t see how lowering DHT via dropping Proviron would help his libido increase at all.

My reasoning is as follows: he has free T way high and thus has a lot of DHT. So much so, that it's obvious that DHT is not a problem. If DHT is not a problem then proviron is of no use, especially seeing as his SHBG is trashed.

This is either: a) en estrogen problem, b) a prolactin/progesterone problem or maybe some kind of a dopamine, SERT problem ... But it's most likely the first two imo. Either way, no harm in using a bit more aromasin to lower E2 and some caber to take care of potential prolactin/proge problems ...

 

[Jinsun]

Well I just banged some married chick tonight and came twice in 30 minutes. Only thing I've changed is I started hcg yesterday

Great! (not the married chick thing though lawl)
Do you feel more horny or is it just the dick worked better?

 

[Nac]

Well I just banged some married chick tonight and came twice in 30 minutes. Only thing I've changed is I started hcg yesterday

You bang married chicks, and your female tenants...do you have a pornhub channel?

 

[thebigt]

You bang married chicks, and your female tenants...do you have a pornhub channel?

'wifeysworld'...my personal favorite!!!

 

[bradleyt1]

It blows my mind that everyone always ask about What level the estradiol is but says nothing about DHT.. my endo pays just as much attention to DHT as he does estradiol.. with that much test I don’t even wanna know how high DHT is.. are you able to take a piss? Or does it dribble out? That and hair follicles

 

[Hyde]

My reasoning is as follows: he has free T way high and thus has a lot of DHT. So much so, that it's obvious that DHT is not a problem. If DHT is not a problem then proviron is of no use, especially seeing as his SHBG is trashed.

This is either: a) en estrogen problem, b) a prolactin/progesterone problem or maybe some kind of a dopamine, SERT problem ... But it's most likely the first two imo. Either way, no harm in using a bit more aromasin to lower E2 and some caber to take care of potential prolactin/proge problems ...

No DHT isn’t a problem but saying he needs to drop Proviron isn’t part of this equation. His low SHBG/high DHT isn’t hurting libido.

The fact he just added HCG, which will raise his estrogen, & had a good performance indicates estrogen was too low.

 

[CroLifter]

No DHT isn’t a problem but saying he needs to drop Proviron isn’t part of this equation. His low SHBG/high DHT isn’t hurting libido.

The fact he just added HCG, which will raise his estrogen, & had a good performance indicates estrogen was too low.

I believe there is more to hcg and libido than just estrogen. High estrogen kills my libido, but hcg skyrockets it.

In fact i never felt good on test only, without hcg, a bit anxious, as if sth was off. With hcg i feel fantastic, i can literally feel the well-being kick in later in the day after hcg injection if i had not been using it for some time. It is like a high. Srs.

I think it has to do with direct LH receptor stimulation by hcg.

 

[Hyde]

I believe there is more to hcg and libido than just estrogen. High estrogen kills my libido, but hcg skyrockets it.

In fact i never felt good on test only, without hcg, a bit anxious, as if sth was off. With hcg i feel fantastic, i can literally feel the well-being kick in later in the day after hcg injection if i had not been using it for some time. It is like a high. Srs.

I think it has to do with direct LH receptor stimulation by hcg.

The test created from HCG has an exceptionally high rate of aromatization. But it does confer more androgen to the picture as well, just more estrogen.

 

[CroLifter]

The test created from HCG has an exceptionally high rate of aromatization. But it does confer more androgen to the picture as well, just more estrogen.

Yes i know that. But i ran 500 test without an ai, e2 was 109 pg/ml (7-42 being reference) and i didnt feel good.
When i used an ai i felt better and e2 was between 20-30.

My libido was always the highest when i slightly overdid on ai and right before i crashed e2 (i would take 1 tab of qromasin, libido surged the next day, then the day after i start feeling like sh1t and bloods show e2 < 5 pg/ml).

But with hcg i feel good constantly.

And yes, 100mg test plus 1000 iu hcg a week means more test than just 100mg test, especially if you have healthy testicles. I think that if you run at least 250 iu eod (there is a study) your natty production is basically 100%.

 

[thebigt]

Yes i know that. But i ran 500 test without an ai, e2 was 109 pg/ml (7-42 being reference) and i didnt feel good.
When i used an ai i felt better and e2 was between 20-30.

My libido was always the highest when i slightly overdid on ai and right before i crashed e2.

But with hcg i feel good constantly.

been on trt for 12 years, I've never used hcg. actually, the only AI's I've used have been otc and only occasionally.

 

[CroLifter]

been on trt for 12 years, I've never used hcg. actually, the only AI's I've used have been otc and only occasionally.

I also didnt use ai when i was on 100 test plus 1000 iu hcg a week.

I prefer not to use one. I will try not to use one ever again, through keeping the test dose sensible and using dry conpounds alongside(if i cycle again, i have been off for 5 months now).

 

[thebigt]

I also didnt use ai when i was on 100 test plus 1000 iu hcg a week.

I prefer not to use one. I will try not to use one ever again, through keeping the test dose sensible and using dry conpounds alongside(if i cycle again, i have been off for 5 months now).

I was on 200mg weekly until I developed polycythemia...at 1st I was really disappointed to have dose reduced to 100mg, but my test stays between 500-750 depending on how close injection was to blood draw. now I have realized the lowest dose possible is best for long run.

 

[Hyde]

I also didnt use ai when i was on 100 test plus 1000 iu hcg a week.

I prefer not to use one. I will try not to use one ever again, through keeping the test dose sensible and using dry conpounds alongside(if i cycle again, i have been off for 5 months now).

“IF I cycle again”... hey, you don’t have to lie to us, we know how it goes

 

[Smont]

I also didnt use ai when i was on 100 test plus 1000 iu hcg a week.

I prefer not to use one. I will try not to use one ever again, through keeping the test dose sensible and using dry conpounds alongside(if i cycle again, i have been off for 5 months now).

I try to avoid a ai at all costs lately, had some issue with puffy sensitive nips after using some td trest that wouldn't go away with a ai. Took some nolva at 20mg 2x week for 2 weeks and boom, back to normal and no issues since then. No real rhyme or reason for it just my thinking how Nolva blocks estrogen in breast tissue. Nolva was my go to years ago and now I'm going back to it. Only using if a problem pops up. Seems to always fix things right away for me with anything estrogen related

 

[Renew1]

I try to avoid a ai at all costs lately, had some issue with puffy sensitive nips after using some td trest that wouldn't go away with a ai. Took some nolva at 20mg 2x week for 2 weeks and boom, back to normal and no issues since then. No real rhyme or reason for it just my thinking how Nolva blocks estrogen in breast tissue. Nolva was my go to years ago and now I'm going back to it. Only using if a problem pops up. Seems to always fix things right away for me with anything estrogen related

 

[Jinsun]

No DHT isn’t a problem but saying he needs to drop Proviron isn’t part of this equation. His low SHBG/high DHT isn’t hurting libido.

The fact he just added HCG, which will raise his estrogen, & had a good performance indicates estrogen was too low.

Hey, you are just nonsensically drilling in to my comments.

There is absolutely no reason for him to take proviron. Also, shbg has lot's of functions. Having it crashed is not ideal.

Hcg also does a lot. And it's seldomly used on cycles and in TRT for well being and libido. Don't know why that is, maybe if somebody does some research they can post some knowledge. Hcg is a powerful hormone. I didn't do a cycle without it thus far. So my libido was always down to estrogen/prolactin issues.

In any case, I'm glad he got his libido back.

 

[trumac]

Wait have you tried just banging dudes yet?

 

[CroLifter]

“IF I cycle again”... hey, you don’t have to lie to us, we know how it goes

Man hahah i would love to, but wont go over 6-8 weeks, 1 cycle per year.

I meant with all the turmoil, covid 19 etc who knows what will come out of this...who knows how my life may change. It has already changed quite a bit.

 

[trumac]

Wait have you tried just banging dudes yet?

Lol a downvote @StarScream66? It was a joke bro relax

 

[Jinsun]

Man hahah i would love to, but wont go over 6-8 weeks, 1 cycle per year.

I meant with all the turmoil, covid 19 etc who knows what will come out of this...who knows how my life may change. It has already changed quite a bit.

I'm thinking in similar lines. If peptides wont be enough, maybe a short oral cycle. But only if I'm not in a relationship. PCTing and relationships don't mix.

 

[~Vision~]

So much talk but nobody mentions prolactin and progesterone? OP please measure those two. Prolactin is notorious for desteoying libido. And don't think that just because you are not taking a 19nor, that those two can't be out of order. Also secondly, try getting your E2 in the 20-25 region. This is also contrary to what was written above, but letting e2 sit higher the it already is is imo probably not going to help you at all.

I think this is the second time I am writting you this.
Take 25mg aromasin 2 times (with 2 days rest in between). That should lower it to 20. Have you tried this before on this cycle? If you havent, I am certain that it's going to have a big impact. After that, take 12.5 eod. Mind you, aromasin is not linear, regarding it's pharmacokinetics. And it's really hard to crash your e2 on a 500+ test, with it. Although, you dont seem to arometise that much. For such a small dose of aromasin and for so much free T, your e2 is low.

Also, if you have any caber at hand, try taking 0.5 e4d. How is your blood pressure?

Also I see your SHBG is way low. SHBG is crucial. You need to get it up. Stop using proviron, you do not need it at all. I don't know why you are taking. Your free test is high af, which means you also have a ton of DHT in your system. YOU do not need proviron.

Imo you need a stronger ai (letro) that you can take in smaller doses, that will lower E2 a bit more and wont affect shbg as much as aromasin does.

This is all concrete advice. Hope you try out some of it. Lowering E2 is especially easy. And if you lower it to much don't worry, it will be back up asap as your free T is so high. That beeing said, if you do have a type 2 Ai on your hands, lower your e2 with that.

This is incorrect.. Having a low SHBG doesn't mean its because of to many DHT's...androgens/test can cause this alone..
In fact having a low SHBG is more ideal. You should do some more research on this subject.
It is true however that DHT's will assist with this and lowering of SHBG

to the OP.. I would suggest using a short blast of HCG for libido.. You don't need much and just for a shirt duration, this sometimes assist guys even when there's a considerable level of AAS and no libido.

Keep the proviron in the mix, this will assist while using the HCG and it will assist with free T levels..
Prov has many other neurosteroid properties that are off label in better words..

get some hcg, 250ius x 2 a week, max should be 500ius x 2 times a week. do this for 1-2 weeks..
Take your AI the day prior to HCG injections

The addition of HCG has a vast amount of physiological process and neurophysiological responces by way of the LH stimulation, just the mere initiation with chitter chat will host responses that supraphysiological dosages sometimes fail to do, and the same applies for TRT.. When running Testosterone there can be a rather short-sighted and dogmatic approach just assuming everything will fit into a one size fits all.. When in reality, there's a cascade of events taking place with activation's and deactivation's of so many cellular groups and even sleeper cells and enzymes or desensitization of certain functions.

I promise HCG will assist you here.

 

[Whisky]

I'm thinking in similar lines. If peptides wont be enough, maybe a short oral cycle. But only if I'm not in a relationship. PCTing and relationships don't mix.

agreed, that’s what cruising is for

 

[Whisky]

This is incorrect.. Having a low SHBG doesn't mean its because of to many DHT's...androgens/test can cause this alone..
In fact having a low SHBG is more ideal. You should do some more research on this subject.
It is true however that DHT's will assist with this and lowering of SHBG

to the OP.. I would suggest using a short blast of HCG for libido.. You don't need much and just for a shirt duration, this sometimes assist guys even when there's a considerable level of AAS and no libido.

Keep the proviron in the mix, this will assist while using the HCG and it will assist with free T levels..
Prov has many other neurosteroid properties that are off label in better words..

get some hcg, 250ius x 2 a week, max should be 500ius x 2 times a week. do this for 1-2 weeks..
Take your AI the day prior to HCG injections

The addition of HCG has a vast amount of physiological process and neurophysiological responces by way of the LH stimulation, just the mere initiation with chitter chat will host responses that supraphysiological dosages sometimes fail to do, and the same applies for TRT.. When running Testosterone there can be a rather short-sighted and dogmatic approach just assuming everything will fit into a one size fits all.. When in reality, there's a cascade of events taking place with activation's and deactivation's of so many cellular groups and even sleeper cells and enzymes or desensitization of certain functions.

I promise HCG will assist you here.

off cycle I like boron for lowering SHBG. Seems to move it consistently a few points.

on cycle I agree, test seems to keep mine low ish. Always just below range whether running a dht or not (test is the only constant)

 

[StarScream66]

off cycle I like boron for lowering SHBG. Seems to move it consistently a few points.

on cycle I agree, test seems to keep mine low ish. Always just below range whether running a dht or not (test is the only constant)

Boron appears to have some interesting data on it, but unfortunately, most of it is in vitro.

Research Breakdown on Boron - Examine

examine.com

I don't know if they still do, but GAT used to sell a supplement that they claimed would boost your testosterone and it contained some type of proprietary boron compound they called "Calcium fructopyranose borate (CFB)".

It apparently is a real compound, but I haven't found any evidence it has anything beneficial to testosterone increasing.

Calcium fructoborate (CFB) is a natural plant mineral borate complex produced by a patented process first described by Miljkovic (US Patent #5,962,049).1 The chemical structure and identity of CFB have been previously described.1 Of all the boron and borate supplements available, CFB has shown the most potential to improve several health conditions.1,3 For example, CFB has been identified as a potential anti-inflammatory agent.4–6 Also, earlier clinical studies have shown that C-reactive protein (CRP), a blood marker secreted by the liver in response to inflammation or infection,7 can be reduced with CFB supplementation in subjects with angina pectoris8,9 and cardiovascular conditions.10 Most recently, published clinical research has suggested that CFB has the ability to improve symptoms associated with inflammatory conditions, such as joint discomfort and osteoarthritis.2,6

Short-term efficacy of calcium fructoborate on subjects with knee discomfort: a comparative, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical study

Calcium fructoborate (CFB) at a dose of 110 mg twice per day was previously reported to improve knee discomfort during the first 14 days of treatment. In this study, 60 participants with self-reported knee discomfort were randomized into two groups receiving ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here's the patent for it, if you're at all curious.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5962049?oq=5%2c962%2c049

 

[Whisky]

Boron appears to have some interesting data on it, but unfortunately, most of it is in vitro.

Research Breakdown on Boron - Examine

examine.com

I don't know if they still do, but GAT used to sell a supplement that they claimed would boost your testosterone and it contained some type of proprietary boron compound they called "Calcium fructopyranose borate (CFB)".

It apparently is a real compound, but I haven't found any evidence it has anything beneficial to testosterone increasing.

Short-term efficacy of calcium fructoborate on subjects with knee discomfort: a comparative, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical study

Calcium fructoborate (CFB) at a dose of 110 mg twice per day was previously reported to improve knee discomfort during the first 14 days of treatment. In this study, 60 participants with self-reported knee discomfort were randomized into two groups receiving ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Here's the patent for it, if you're at all curious.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US5962049?oq=5%2c962%2c049

Interesting, thanks.

@Hyde turned me on to it a year or so back and bloods taken before supplementation and then post supplementation showed a decrease in SHBG and increase in free test. But, I was post cycle (maybe a month or two past pct) at the time so the first bloods in particular may (probably were) have still been affected by hormones rebalancing.

 

[~Vision~]

off cycle I like boron for lowering SHBG. Seems to move it consistently a few points.

on cycle I agree, test seems to keep mine low ish. Always just below range whether running a dht or not (test is the only constant)

Back in the early 2000's my guys and I would use Boron, Chrysin and DHEA when off cycle, not a bad little cocktail for natty sups.

 

[Jinsun]

agreed, that’s what cruising is for

You know, my natural TT is still right at top of the range. Blasting and cruising would be a waste for me ... but I definitely see the appeal of it.

 

[~Vision~]

You know, my natural TT is still right at top of the range. Blasting and cruising would be a waste for me ... but I definitely see the appeal of it.

Keep getting bloods and ride out this opportunity for as long as you can. Build as much as you can and get what you earn.. People underestimate this type of position you are in.. Good for you Jin..