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Giovannuzzo

Giovannuzzo

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Hi everyone, I would like to start my third cycle.
6'2 (1,90cm)
194 lbs (88kg)
Bf around 10%
Bench 275lbs (125kg) x2
Squat 310lbs (140kg) x3
Deadlift 330lbs (150) x2

The first was 12 weeks osta (25-35mg;body recomp/cut), the second 7weeks (epistane40-60/4andro) and my ideas for the third are these:


Lgd 4/4/8/8/8/8/8/8/12/12/12/12
Epistane 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/40/40/40/50
Dtrest 0/0/0/0/0/0.5/1/1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 pumps

Or

Epistane 40/40/50/50/50/50
Dtrest 1/1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 pumps

the goal is to bulk as much as possible and to improve the strength

(my ideas are these because I already have 1bottle of epistane20mgx60, clomid and nolva at home)
I've little gyno from my last epi cycle, for this reason I will be very careful with estrogen, using nolva + AI if necessary
Arimidex or aromasin?
Thank you all
 
Giovannuzzo said:
Hi everyone, I would like to start my third cycle.
6'2 (1,90cm)
194 lbs (88kg)
Bf around 10%
Bench 275lbs (125kg) x2
Squat 310lbs (140kg) x3
Deadlift 330lbs (150) x2

The first was 12 weeks osta (25-35mg;body recomp/cut), the second 7weeks (epistane40-60/4andro) and my ideas for the third are these:


Lgd 4/4/8/8/8/8/8/8/12/12/12/12
Epistane 0/0/0/0/0/0/0/0/40/40/40/50
Dtrest 0/0/0/0/0/0.5/1/1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 pumps

Or

Epistane 40/40/50/50/50/50
Dtrest 1/1/1.5/1.5/1.5/1.5 pumps

the goal is to bulk as much as possible and to improve the strength

(my ideas are these because I already have 1bottle of epistane20mgx60, clomid and nolva at home)
I've little gyno from my last epi cycle, for this reason I will be very careful with estrogen, using nolva + AI if necessary
Arimidex or aromasin?
Thank you all
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Aromasin is better especially with nolva.
 
Epistane/trest is a great combo. Esp if you get some oral trest for pre workout to go with the dermal
 
Smont said:
Epistane/trest is a great combo. Esp if you get some oral trest for pre workout to go with the dermal
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Exactly what I did and I loved it.

OP - You need to bench less and squat/deadlift more by the way .....
 
Whisky said:
Exactly what I did and I loved it.

OP - You need to bench less and squat/deadlift more by the way .....
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Yes I know, but I'm tall with short/normal arms and long legs, I'm good in bench and disadvantage in deadlift, but in this bulk I wanna do 200x1 DL and 160x1 squat
 
Giovannuzzo said:
Ok thank you, 6.25 every 2 day when I start dtrest is ok? With low dose of nolva, 5mg every 2 day?
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I was gonna say nolva at the end of the cycle but sure this works if you want.. Start and see, if symptoms you up the dosage
 
ah ok, I was thinking of using nolva both during the cycle and in pct. I'm scared by the estrogen of trest and the rebound post cycle of the epistane, so I would always(oncycle+pct) use nolva+Ai if needed
 
Giovannuzzo said:
ah ok, I was thinking of using nolva both during the cycle and in pct. I'm scared by the estrogen of trest and the rebound post cycle of the epistane, so I would always(oncycle+pct) use nolva+Ai if needed
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Aromasin should be fine.. I mean who knows how sensitive you are? If you go crazy high on trest which is stupid you might run in to problems.. Don't go crazy on the dosage and use aromasin and you should be alright.
 
Chados said:
Aromasin should be fine.. I mean who knows how sensitive you are? If you go crazy high on trest which is stupid you might run in to problems.. Don't go crazy on the dosage and use aromasin and you should be alright.
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Dose is 25mg first week, 50mg and 75mg
 
Giovannuzzo said:
Dose is 25mg first week, 50mg and 75mg
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Well you'll have to go by feeling and or bloods to know. If you notice anything you either decrease test or add more aromasin. It's really impossible to say how you'd react hairygrandpa says he's very sensitive to trest mainly prolactin I believe?

I assume I'm somewhere in the middle, estrogen is the only thing I really notice on steroids when it comes to sides and I don't need much ai to control it. My prolactin is never a problem though. 19nors can also cause some anxiety and depression to me but that's only tren at too high of a dose. I don't think trest is as bad as tren sides except from the estrogen sides.
 
thanks a lot of everything, I hope I have no problems with the prolactin because I do not know where to find caber in Italy. How much would you recommend starting from aromasin? 6.25mg every two days is fine or is to low? With 50mg of tdtrest and 40mg epistane
 
Giovannuzzo said:
thanks a lot of everything, I hope I have no problems with the prolactin because I do not know where to find caber in Italy. How much would you recommend starting from aromasin? 6.25mg every two days is fine or is to low? With 50mg of tdtrest and 40mg epistane
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Try that dosage and up it if it's not working
 
I think you should start the trest earlier if you do that first cycle you suggested. It kicks in fast but you could have a couple very unpleasant weeks before it does.

I will be running trest again soon and will be using letro and ralox on cycle. I was up to 18mg Exem eod, prami .5mg ed and still was not enough to keep it away. I dropped the exem, added letro and ralox in. I'd be curious what someone else who has ran trest thinks about using ralox on cycle for it and then saving the nolva for after the cycle when you end the trest. If I am thinking this through right, the ralox will be better at combating gyno but the nolva should help better during pct to restart?
 
boooosted said:
I think you should start the trest earlier if you do that first cycle you suggested. It kicks in fast but you could have a couple very unpleasant weeks before it does.

I will be running trest again soon and will be using letro and ralox on cycle. I was up to 18mg Exem eod, prami .5mg ed and still was not enough to keep it away. I dropped the exem, added letro and ralox in. I'd be curious what someone else who has ran trest thinks about using ralox on cycle for it and then saving the nolva for after the cycle when you end the trest. If I am thinking this through right, the ralox will be better at combating gyno but the nolva should help better during pct to restart?
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Nolva is the king for gyno.. It literally makes it impossible to get, they both work and you can't really say one is better if you think about it. maybe more potent and I think that's nolva. Nolva is also the best during pct.
 
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