LGD and GW, worried about Gyno, Thinking of stacking Nolvadren XT by man with them?

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Hey all,
I know that Nolvadren xt is used as a PCT but I'm a little worried about Gyno. A little tender y'know. I'm a little older than most so my test levels are already down a bit. Took dhea once and it was worse than what I'm feeling now, maybe I'm just paranoid? I was thinking of taking Nolvadren XT while I finish my cycle of LGD and GW. I'm taking 10 and 20mg daily, this is the 5th week. What do you think about this idea? I was thinking of Nolvadren because I have access to it, all other stuff would be difficult to get. Or should I just wait and see and take it as a PCT? Still feeling paranoid. Would they counteract the effects of either in combination? I know its different chemicals but maybe similar pathways? Thanks in advance from this big dummy.
 
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Had to look up "Nolvadren XT". That is NO proper PCT.
If you already bought it, use it together with a real SERM for PCT.
If you don't know what a SERM is, please google.
If your nipples are tender -but don't ache -and no lumps have formed around/under the nipples, all is okay. LGD should not cause gyno.
 
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Had to look up "Nolvadren XT". That is NO proper PCT.
If you already bought it, use it together with a real SERM for PCT.
If you don't know what a SERM is, please google.
If your nipples are tender -but don't ache -and no lumps have formed around/under the nipples, all is okay. LGD should not cause gyno.
This ^^^^ nolvadren xt wont do anything for gyno or your pct
 
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Lgd and gw can't cause gyno. If they do, chances are you're not taking what you think you are.

Also, for gyno control what you need is a compound that blocks estrogen at the receptor level in the breast tissue. This is the only thing that works (besides tanking your estrogen with AI's). This compounds are called SERM's. Best for gyno is Ralox, then nolvadex and toremifene and then clomid. But any one will do.
 
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These are not steroids, they don't act the same in the body and gw isn't even a Sarm so it has no relation to anything like aas or sarms. Gyno is also nothing to worry about, even if you're hyper sensitive you'll get by with some support.
 
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Thanks for you help. No, the problem is not to that level. I guess I'm being paranoid because a buddy got a bad batch and had to go for surgery. I will gat ahold of a SERM to run together. I have enough LGD to go for almost 12 weeks. Do you think that is too long a cycle. My last was RAD140 and it lasted 10 weeks with GREAT results. I'm a little disappointed with The LGD/Cardarine stack so far, waiting for it to kick in....just seem to be losing fat so I guess that's a positive but was expecting more muscular growth.
 
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These two have proven to work well together, relying on benefits of each other to build more muscle. Start out slow with GW501516 (Cardarine). It’s one of the newer SARMs on the market, and is proving to be one of the most potent of the SARMs so far. Cardarine has even been shown to build mitochondria, a truly incredible feat.
 
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Thanks for you help. No, the problem is not to that level. I guess I'm being paranoid because a buddy got a bad batch and had to go for surgery. I will gat ahold of a SERM to run together. I have enough LGD to go for almost 12 weeks. Do you think that is too long a cycle. My last was RAD140 and it lasted 10 weeks with GREAT results. I'm a little disappointed with The LGD/Cardarine stack so far, waiting for it to kick in....just seem to be losing fat so I guess that's a positive but was expecting more muscular growth.
Thing is, LGD suppresses your testosterone. Testosterone is needed for aromatase to estrogen. Meaning, the longer you take LGD the LOWER will get your testosterone and estrogen. That is the reason you can't get estrogen induced gyno from LGD. It is also the reason you will need a SERM -and its the reason you will most probably NOT get to 12 weeks on it, because of lethargy from low testosterone.
You would need a "test base" for a longer run. Also, as your test declines, you may lose the anabolic effect of LGD + test. See, you have 2 anabolics here: LGD and Test. Test gets lower over time = less anabolics in your blood the longer the cycle goes. LGD is not very potent, meaning by week 10 (or so) you have probably less total anabolics in your body than before the cycle, got it?

Well, I wished people wouldn't just jump on Sarms before having read about it....
 
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These two have proven to work well together, relying on benefits of each other to build more muscle. Start out slow with GW501516 (Cardarine). It’s one of the newer SARMs on the market, and is proving to be one of the most potent of the SARMs so far. Cardarine has even been shown to build mitochondria, a truly incredible feat.
Please, brother... revise your post. GW is not a Sarm. The synergistic relation of GW and LGD is doubtful, do you have a credible source for that?
 
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Just to make it more clear:

Lets say testosterone has a anabolic strength of 10 at your natural level. LGD has a strength of 5 (at a continuous dosing of 10mg/d). The first few weeks you have a combined anabolic strength of 15. That is 5 above your normal test derived strength, right? Over time test declines due to suppression. By week 6 you have half of your testosterone left = test at 5 (down from 10).
That means 10 total strength of LGD and leftover test, right (5+5=10)? See, no benefits anymore. 10 is the value before the cycle. Now, if you would double the dose of LGD by week 5 to 20mg/d, you theoretically could be at value 15 again for the rest of the cycle(not exactly -but you got the point). Problem is, upping LGD also heightens suppression of test.

Conclusion:
LGD is useless without a proper test-base (like test or trestolone). You basically suppressing your test for no benefits and will lose your marginally gains in PCT.
 
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These two have proven to work well together, relying on benefits of each other to build more muscle. Start out slow with GW501516 (Cardarine). It’s one of the newer SARMs on the market, and is proving to be one of the most potent of the SARMs so far. Cardarine has even been shown to build mitochondria, a truly incredible feat.
Wait, what the, come again.....

As well as not being a sarm GW, is certainly not one of the most potent (whether compared ppar’s or sarms).

It’s noticable effects are around endurance and fat loss with many users finding significant benefits to lipids especially whilst on cycle.

It will not make you win the Olympia though bro.....it’s effects are fairly mild in my experience, I like it for a little boost through the end of a cycle and in pct but would ever have it as the main player on a run.....
 
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Wait, what the, come again.....

As well as not being a sarm GW, is certainly not one of the most potent (whether compared ppar’s or sarms).

It’s noticable effects are around endurance and fat loss with many users finding significant benefits to lipids especially whilst on cycle.

It will not make you win the Olympia though bro.....it’s effects are fairly mild in my experience, I like it for a little boost through the end of a cycle and in pct but would ever have it as the main player on a run.....
IMHO, its most useful in bringing HDL up quick and giving a boost to endurance. The documented fat loss was only in mice, never experimented lipolysis on itself -other due to helping with cardio.
 
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IMHO, its most useful in bringing HDL up quick and giving a boost to endurance. The documented fat loss was only in mice, never experimented lipolysis on itself -other due to helping with cardio.
Personally I never saw loss but the times I’ve used it has always been end of cycle and pct - endurance yes, anything else I’ve not had from it.
 
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Thanks guys for the input. Never heard LGD described like that before. I read PLENTY about it before trying it but...I guess those sources were from people who want to sell it perhaps? I'm much more prepared for the next time. Short cycles, PCT ready. I would do test base if I could but no where to get it safely. Can't take the risk with my job. I have some nolvadex for my recovery and my strength levels are rising back up again. A few more weeks and I'll be as good as new, just a lot leaner and a lot more muscular than when I started.
 

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