Unanswered Lgd 4033 or Halodrol

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Any of you guys used both? Which is best for minimal sides/best gains at basic dosage??

Lgd is sold with being pretty non-toxic which i dont buy. Any opinions welcome?
 
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If you do your homework you'll find that lgd is quite suppressive at effective doses and does elevates liver values so hands down I saved over with halodrol. You will probably like the results much better. Lgd should usually be paired with something like ostarine or rad140. Halodrol on its own however shines quite well in my opinion if dosed correctly.
 

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If you do your homework you'll find that lgd is quite suppressive at effective doses and does elevates liver values so hands down I saved over with halodrol. You will probably like the results much better. Lgd should usually be paired with something like ostarine or rad140. Halodrol on its own however shines quite well in my opinion if dosed correctly.
Thanks for the rapid reply. Yeah this is my concern that the sides of Lgd 4033 might be similar to Halodrol but the gains not as good. I do have Osta and Rad 140 kicking about but thinking stacking would just increase the supression and with Rad 140 in the mix would definately trash lipids. So Halodrol you reckon is the better option. Makes some the marketing for Lgd 4033 way off.
 

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I took lgd and hated it... it shut me down worse than anything and did not produce much in terms of results...
 

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I think the safe sarm cycle has been exposed to being just as bad or even worse due to the fact that users seem to think there not toxic or suppressive I would go to Halo its probably going to be cheaper also
 

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I think the safe sarm cycle has been exposed to being just as bad or even worse due to the fact that users seem to think there not toxic or suppressive I would go to Halo its probably going to be cheaper also
This is half the problem, I bought it as less toxic alternative to PH, but the more I look into it, it seems it's like you say as bad for liver/lipids and majorly suppressive. I haven't read too many on here with positive things to say about Lgd 4033 hence why I asked and edging towards Halodrol at 75mg.
 

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This is half the problem, I bought it as less toxic alternative to PH, but the more I look into it, it seems it's like you say as bad for liver/lipids and majorly suppressive. I haven't read too many on here with positive things to say about Lgd 4033 hence why I asked and edging towards Halodrol at 75mg.
Theres been a few recent threads about LGD and liver toxicity after 5 weeks ,this safe option as a cycle really has turned out to be not the case Halo has been tried and tested for a long time.
 

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Theres been a few recent threads about LGD and liver toxicity after 5 weeks ,this safe option as a cycle really has turned out to be not the case Halo has been tried and tested for a long time.
Yeah i know some had a problem with dodgy OL UK Legend with bad bloods but due to it being dodgy. Geez....maybe i should go down the 1 & 4 andro route 🤣
Not hearing good things about supression on LGG either.
 
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I don't think anything was ever dodgy about OL UK's lgd. Your bloods probably just looked bad because that's what lgd does.
 

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I don't think anything was ever dodgy about OL UK's lgd. Your bloods probably just looked bad because that's what lgd does.
Er...NO they werent my bloods and the fella that posted his bloods after using OL UK Legend ended up having the hospital involved amd urinating Brown.

He'd done other cycles with no issues and is now using another brand - with no issues.

Others also complained about the Legend product which is inhouse PN. Their Superdrol was also pulled for being Bunk and they refused to refund folks.

I'll stick to tried and tested Lgd 4033 if i use it and having used M1-T x 2 and Dbol x 2 in the past without issues am sure Lgd wont be at their level, but its always good to research others uses with a new product and compare as theres still questions over Lgd.
 
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@chem.jr. Basically covered it and I share his opinion on the matter. I used sarms many many many times with bloods and they are not worth it for how suppressive/toxic some of them are with very average results.
 
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Take your pick. Lgd at 20mg or hdrol at 75mg for a 6 week cycle is going to produce similar gains. Sides from either will vary greatly from person to person.
 
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Er...NO they werent my bloods and the fella that posted his bloods after using OL UK Legend ended up having the hospital involved amd urinating Brown.

He'd done other cycles with no issues and is now using another brand - with no issues.

Others also complained about the Legend product which is inhouse PN. Their Superdrol was also pulled for being Bunk and they refused to refund folks.

I'll stick to tried and tested Lgd 4033 if i use it and having used M1-T x 2 and Dbol x 2 in the past without issues am sure Lgd wont be at their level, but its always good to research others uses with a new product and compare as theres still questions over Lgd.
There's nothing tried and tested about lgd or any sarm for that matter. There all infants compared to tried and tested things like dbol and test or any steroid really
 

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I honestly can’t remember but around 20 mg a day.
Well thats not a mentally high dose i guess but sounds likes sides werent good. I wasnt planning to go that high for a first run of Lgd though but its food for thought.
 

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Take your pick. Lgd at 20mg or hdrol at 75mg for a 6 week cycle is going to produce similar gains. Sides from either will vary greatly from person to person.
Yeah i guess you're right about the sides. Its going to be dose dependant. I was planning to run the Halo at 75mg or the Lgd 10mg with MK677 at 25mg. Some great feedback by everyone though and interesting to see Sarms arent as popular as some make out.
 
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LGD 10mg will do very little trust me. 20mg minimum for decent results. I’ve ran it much higher than that it’s not like 20mg is a high dose either!
 
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LGD 10mg will do very little trust me. 20mg minimum for decent results. I’ve ran it much higher than that it’s not like 20mg is a high dose either!
This guy here knows whats up, and i can Mathersby is just staying out of this one bc it doesn't seem like you care what anyone says you wanna do what you wanna do- and i can understand that. But if thats the case then why ask? Or keep it going?

We all said that lgd would need to be researched about 20mg and hdrol would prolly make ya happier. If you got osta and lgd then do 15/20 and have nolva *and* clomid for when research is done- regardless of what you choose to run.

Or run nothing and keep your nuts working so you dont mess yourself all up! Whatever you choose best of luck and hope things turn out ok.

N I'm out!
 
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I was just think about LGD the other day. Thinking about using it bc mental sides are the worst side of cycling for me. I presume, don't know from experience, that sarms should have lower mental effects then aas. So this would be the reason for me, to go with lgd over halo. Especially halo, as it can be quite "mental".
 
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I was just think about LGD the other day. Thinking about using it bc mental sides are the worst side of cycling for me. I presume, don't know from experience, that sarms should have lower mental effects then aas. So this would be the reason for me, to go with lgd over halo. Especially halo, as it can be quite "mental".
Halodrol, not halo as in halotestin. Halotestin is mental. Hdrol is just like all thebold school ph's. Its like phera and dmz and msten etc- strong on its own and slight conversion to tren (10-15%) and honestly I felt great on it. But lgd by itself just seems like a bad idea to me because I at least had an ostarine base or test base or both whenever I used lgd because it does come with some lethargy and surely seemed to bloat me up a bit.
 
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Halodrol, not halo as in halotestin. Halotestin is mental. Hdrol is just like all thebold school ph's. Its like phera and dmz and msten etc- strong on its own and slight conversion to tren (10-15%) and honestly I felt great on it. But lgd by itself just seems like a bad idea to me because I at least had an ostarine base or test base or both whenever I used lgd because it does come with some lethargy and surely seemed to bloat me up a bit.
Oh, my bad. Hdrol yes.

Wasn't thinking about doing LDG solo, no way. This would be a normal lenght cycle, so that means Test at 250mg's + LGD at 20+ mg's...
 
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Really want to find something that has minimal mental sides. Staying calm and being able to feel the whole spectrum of emotions, is a must for me and my work.

I did try ostarine from OL UK once at 25mg's for 5 weeks. Quit the cycle due to 7x above range ALT...
 
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Is Halodrol a dht and have any of y’all experienced hairloss on it?
 
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Really want to find something that has minimal mental sides. Staying calm and being able to feel the whole spectrum of emotions, is a must for me and my work.

I did try ostarine from OL UK once at 25mg's for 5 weeks. Quit the cycle due to 7x above range ALT...
Rad 140 gives me a strong good mental feeling. I feel awsome on it
 
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LGD 10mg will do very little trust me. 20mg minimum for decent results. I’ve ran it much higher than that it’s not like 20mg is a high dose either!
I seccond this, 10mg I think is a complete waste of time. Unless I was specifically using it as something to maintain muscle on a cut. If you buy it in liquid you can really tailor the dose. Start at 16 to 20 and increase as needed. I also would do nothing less then 6 weeks
 
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Rad 140 gives me a strong good mental feeling. I feel awsome on it
Similar to dbol? This is what I am talking about. It puts you in a specific subjective state, where you feel very different; more aggression, more positive, more hyped, etc. While this are nice benefits (mostly), they do cancel the other spectrum of emotions.

Anyway, rad140 seems expensive. You want to run it how high? 20mg's? That's 60 - 70€ a month, or 90$ a month, for how long? 12 weeks? And you gain how much tissue on it?
 
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Sarms will only build so much tissue imo. People claiming they gained 10-15 lbs on a sarm cycle are amateurs who don’t understand they gained probably 5 lbs of fat and 5 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks. Sarms are awesome at preventing muscle waisting. They’re good addition in a stack, they’re very good during cuts, they’re decent at building muscles also if you have realistic expectation. People just need to stop saying/thinking that a lgd/rad cycle for exemple will help them build 10-12 lbs of muscle it did not. That’s a huge amount of tissue that most actual aas wouldn’t even build. But hey I’ve ran lgd/rad at 30-40mg and it’s quite decent tbh. But if you’re running the sarms high enough for them to be worth it then they are pretty damn toxic. So from my point of view they are not worth it.
 
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Similar to dbol? This is what I am talking about. It puts you in a specific subjective state, where you feel very different; more aggression, more positive, more hyped, etc. While this are nice benefits (mostly), they do cancel the other spectrum of emotions.

Anyway, rad140 seems expensive. You want to run it how high? 20mg's? That's 60 - 70€ a month, or 90$ a month, for how long? 12 weeks? And you gain how much tissue on it?
Something along those lines. Positive agression and feel good. I used ma research twice. 2bottles will give you 20mg a day for 8 weeks. I think it's 60usd per bttl
 
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Something along those lines. Positive agression and feel good. I used ma research twice. 2bottles will give you 20mg a day for 8 weeks. I think it's 60usd per bttl
And I have a discount code I found on beast fitness radio but I gotta look for it. I think it's 20% off
 
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Sarms will only build so much tissue imo. People claiming they gained 10-15 lbs on a sarm cycle are amateurs who don’t understand they gained probably 5 lbs of fat and 5 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks. Sarms are awesome at preventing muscle waisting. They’re good addition in a stack, they’re very good during cuts, they’re decent at building muscles also if you have realistic expectation. People just need to stop saying/thinking that a lgd/rad cycle for exemple will help them build 10-12 lbs of muscle it did not. That’s a huge amount of tissue that most actual aas wouldn’t even build. But hey I’ve ran lgd/rad at 30-40mg and it’s quite decent tbh. But if you’re running the sarms high enough for them to be worth it then they are pretty damn toxic. So from my point of view they are not worth it.
Whenever someone tells me they put on 10lbs of pure muscle on a 4 to 8 week cycle I show them a picture of a 10lb log of filet mignon. That's what 10lbs of muscle is. I just put on 10+ pounds in the past 5 weeks and lost a little off the waist but it's not to lbs of muscle. Id bet it's less then 5 and a bunch of intracellular water and glycogen
 
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Sarms will only build so much tissue imo. People claiming they gained 10-15 lbs on a sarm cycle are amateurs who don’t understand they gained probably 5 lbs of fat and 5 lbs of muscle in 10 weeks. Sarms are awesome at preventing muscle waisting. They’re good addition in a stack, they’re very good during cuts, they’re decent at building muscles also if you have realistic expectation. People just need to stop saying/thinking that a lgd/rad cycle for exemple will help them build 10-12 lbs of muscle it did not. That’s a huge amount of tissue that most actual aas wouldn’t even build. But hey I’ve ran lgd/rad at 30-40mg and it’s quite decent tbh. But if you’re running the sarms high enough for them to be worth it then they are pretty damn toxic. So from my point of view they are not worth it.
Yeah, even D.G.'s new business sites (I think this is his), claim only 2 to 3 pounds of tissue, per an 8 to 10 week rad140 cycle. Which I concur is realistic for most. Maybe even a tad under realistic. Idk.?

But if we exclude physical sides, I presume psychological sides are less with mk2866 and lgd... So throwing those in for 8 weeks wouldn't contribute much more to mental strain on an existing low dose (test, primo, etc. cycle)
 
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Yeah, even D.G.'s new business sites (I think this is his), claim only 2 to 3 pounds of tissue, per an 8 to 10 week rad140 cycle. Which I concur is realistic for most. Maybe even a tad under realistic. Idk.?

But if we exclude physical sides, I presume psychological sides are less with mk2866 and lgd... So throwing those in for 8 weeks wouldn't contribute much more to mental strain on an existing low dose (test, primo, etc. cycle)
I agree on everything you just stated. LGD/ostarine would have 0 psychological effect and even something like RAD which I believe has some psychological capabilities would be overthrown if you’re already on a cruise dose or anything like that.
 
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I agree on everything you just stated. LGD/ostarine would have 0 psychological effect and even something like RAD which I believe has some psychological capabilities would be overthrown if you’re already on a cruise dose or anything like that.
So last time I used rad I was already on 300mg of test. From the first 20mg dose I took it was almost instant feel good effect. Only positive nothing negative
 
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So last time I used rad I was already on 300mg of test. From the first 20mg dose I took it was almost instant feel good effect. Only positive nothing negative
Oh yeah really?! Then I’ll reconsider its use. I loved the effect before I was on trt/cruise but never thought it would have a feel good effect over some injectables. Last time it didn’t for me but I was on a good couple of things this might be why
 
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Oh yeah really?! Then I’ll reconsider its use. I loved the effect before I was on trt/cruise but never thought it would have a feel good effect over some injectables. Last time it didn’t for me but I was on a good couple of things this might be why
Also things effect ppl different. I don't notice much of any feeling on test. If I get up to 600mg it's a different story. There's some research on rads mental effects if you look hard enough. Il look for it after work
 
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Also things effect ppl different. I don't notice much of any feeling on test. If I get up to 600mg it's a different story. There's some research on rads mental effects if you look hard enough. Il look for it after work
Going from 350ish to 600 - 750ish test is for me, the same mental effect as adding 200mg Mast. Which is logical, as all mental effects from test are due to DHT... I cant combine above 500mg test with any dose of mast really. Don't sleep at all. I mean, I could sleep, if the day lasted for 32 hours instead of 24.
 

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