legs-4033 experiences

enhanced said:
I'm looking forward to running my stack of LGD, S-4, and GW1516. Probably going to start it up in about 3 weeks.
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That would honestly be a dope stack. I will never mess with s4 again, but lgd and cardarine will be my future stack

I've never tried cardarine, but it seems like the two stacked would reallly cut you up for spring break
 
fueledpassion said:
Pinning actually has the opposite effect over time. There are medical observations that pinning is just as much a psychological addiction as the actual hormone itself. This obviously isn't the case for everyone and the addiction is far less consequential than the drugs but still worth mentioning.

Trest is a good one to pin because it has no PIP at all but is a handful in regards to controlling estrogen. I recommend the acetate at a low dose at first, daily of course.
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What do people mean by pip.. I've heard oh this stuff has a strong pip.. Etc, but never really knew what that meant
 
FitnessLuke said:
What do people mean by pip.. I've heard oh this stuff has a strong pip.. Etc, but never really knew what that meant
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Post injection pain.

Trest Ace and Deca has no PIP at all because it isn't heavily concentrated per mL.

The ones that hurt are the short-medium esters that are packed with 100-200mg/mL of hormones. Since Trest is only 50mg/mL of the acetate version, it is smooth going in and leaves no soreness afterwards.
 
fueledpassion said:
Post injection pain.

Trest Ace and Deca has no PIP at all because it isn't heavily concentrated per mL.

The ones that hurt are the short-medium esters that are packed with 100-200mg/mL of hormones. Since Trest is only 50mg/mL of the acetate version, it is smooth going in and leaves no soreness afterwards.
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Interesting and how would you say injectable trest compares to injectable test
 
FitnessLuke said:
Interesting and how would you say injectable trest compares to injectable test
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I have been prescribed test for TRT and have researched trest so I can give you an honest comparison of pharma test vs trest.

Gains: About the same for me. I respond very well to plain old test. I have very low levels to begin with so perhaps this plays in. Trest delivers the same amount of gains with a bit more water retention for me.

Sides: trest is worse for BP for me than test is. Estrogen is slightly worse on trest but not terribly so for me. I see many mention trest is almost uncontrollable E wise but for me it was not that big of a deal and I have pubertal gyno so I am susceptible to E sides. For transparency I have never researched more than 300mg/week trest. I see many talking 600 and up. At that dose I could see E being more difficult to control. As far as lipids go they are both about equally negative on lipid levels. Trest raises hematocrit to a lesser degree than test.

Libido: Hands down TEST wins for me and I have a theory as to why. As far as I know trest is a 19-nor and does not get 5-alpha reduced into DHT(PLEASE if this is incorrect someone point it out). By using trest you are suppressing test and thus dht levels go down. This to me would explain why I have no libido on trest. I also may be the exception as many report the exact opposite. A low dose of stano rectifys the DHT issue for me. On trest I will say that I never loose the ability to perform just there is not real sex drive. I also have a pretty low libido to begin with so take this all with a grain of salt.

If you have any other specific questions let me know. If I had legal access to one or the other I would always take test over trest. That being said trest is pretty awesome and if I had legal access to both I would combine them.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have been prescribed test for TRT and have researched trest so I can give you an honest comparison of pharma test vs trest.

Gains: About the same for me. I respond very well to plain old test. I have very low levels to begin with so perhaps this plays in. Trest delivers the same amount of gains with a bit more water retention for me.

Sides: trest is worse for BP for me than test is. Estrogen is slightly worse on trest but not terribly so for me. I see many mention trest is almost uncontrollable E wise but for me it was not that big of a deal and I have pubertal gyno so I am susceptible to E sides. For transparency I have never researched more than 300mg/week trest. I see many talking 600 and up. At that dose I could see E being more difficult to control. As far as lipids go they are both about equally negative on lipid levels. Trest raises hematocrit to a lesser degree than test.

Libido: Hands down TEST wins for me and I have a theory as to why. As far as I know trest is a 19-nor and does not get 5-alpha reduced into DHT(PLEASE if this is incorrect someone point it out). By using trest you are suppressing test and thus dht levels go down. This to me would explain why I have no libido on trest. I also may be the exception as many report the exact opposite. A low dose of stano rectifys the DHT issue for me. On trest I will say that I never loose the ability to perform just there is not real sex drive. I also have a pretty low libido to begin with so take this all with a grain of salt.

If you have any other specific questions let me know. If I had legal access to one or the other I would always take test over trest. That being said trest is pretty awesome and if I had legal access to both I would combine them.
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That's a good summary and honestly my experiences are not far off from yours. However, I have researched with both acetate and decanoate forms of Trest. The two are not the same. The long ester is considerably harsher and stronger in every regard.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have been prescribed test for TRT and have researched trest so I can give you an honest comparison of pharma test vs trest.

Gains: About the same for me. I respond very well to plain old test. I have very low levels to begin with so perhaps this plays in. Trest delivers the same amount of gains with a bit more water retention for me.

Sides: trest is worse for BP for me than test is. Estrogen is slightly worse on trest but not terribly so for me. I see many mention trest is almost uncontrollable E wise but for me it was not that big of a deal and I have pubertal gyno so I am susceptible to E sides. For transparency I have never researched more than 300mg/week trest. I see many talking 600 and up. At that dose I could see E being more difficult to control. As far as lipids go they are both about equally negative on lipid levels. Trest raises hematocrit to a lesser degree than test.

Libido: Hands down TEST wins for me and I have a theory as to why. As far as I know trest is a 19-nor and does not get 5-alpha reduced into DHT(PLEASE if this is incorrect someone point it out). By using trest you are suppressing test and thus dht levels go down. This to me would explain why I have no libido on trest. I also may be the exception as many report the exact opposite. A low dose of stano rectifys the DHT issue for me. On trest I will say that I never loose the ability to perform just there is not real sex drive. I also have a pretty low libido to begin with so take this all with a grain of salt.

If you have any other specific questions let me know. If I had legal access to one or the other I would always take test over trest. That being said trest is pretty awesome and if I had legal access to both I would combine them.
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Thank you so so so much for really taking the time to share your experience. I asked awhile back and never got any real answers

I dont have a solid test hook up but think I can get some trest and tjats why I wanted to know. So thanks again
 
I have tried gw and osta seperately, but still not sure how I'll run the lgd. Maybe lgd for 8 weeks then osta and gw and nolva. Or should I stack lgd, gw, osta, and then run pct? Hmmm
 
Contaygious said:
I have tried gw and osta seperately, but still not sure how I'll run the lgd. Maybe lgd for 8 weeks then osta and gw and nolva. Or should I stack lgd, gw, osta, and then run pct? Hmmm
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I think, to stack LGD and Osta at the same time would be senseless. Better take LGD and GW (or additionaly also S4) and run a PCT with Tamox and Osta together. For example you also could use GW in the PCT. Then you would have to anticatabolic/anabolic substances.
 
So could one theoretically run lgd for 8-12 weeks, then pct with aromasin and osta, and then run lgd for another long cycle? Sounds like perpetual gains to me lol!!!
 
Methylated88 said:
So could one theoretically run lgd for 8-12 weeks, then pct with aromasin and osta, and then run lgd for another long cycle? Sounds like perpetual gains to me lol!!!
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You have to keep in mind, that LGD is still a research chemical. I personally don't use SARM more than two times per year (two cycles).
But if the blood values are well, you probably can do that.

But I saw some blood works, which were "destroyed": 0.1 units LH, 0.2 units FSH and nearly none of the sexual hormones.
I don't think so, that this permament state (the PCT's excluded due to Aromasin or SERM) is that good for the human body. LGD is not Testosterone and does not aromatize. And with zero estrogen level you are destroying your HDL/LDL values and ratio.

I would recommend to take a PCT and a time off at least of the cycle length (if your cycle goes ten weeks, make a four week PCT and rest for further six weeks for example).
 
Methylated88 said:
So could one theoretically run lgd for 8-12 weeks, then pct with aromasin and osta, and then run lgd for another long cycle? Sounds like perpetual gains to me lol!!!
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Treat it like AAS or PH. Time on equals time off. That includes PCT so if you run lgd for 8 weeks and pct last 4 then take 12 weeks off between your next run.
 
FitnessLuke said:
Im about to hit the gym..kinda feel lethargic now honestl. It hit me hard yesterday, but there was also two nights where I got really bad sleep. Also tomorrow is last day of mechabol which means im officially 4 weeks into that
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Man I'm in week 4 of 6 of Mecha. I initially thought this stuff was weak sauce but I still keep getting harder and bigger despite the weak anabolic feeling.

I kinda like it but I do kinda prefer more prominent gains. I mean, I've put in about 8 lbs with it so far though so I can't complain.
 
Contaygious said:
8 lbs is pretty great in 4 weeks lol. Especially If it's light on sides.
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Yeah, but I don't know how much of that is from Mecha. I do know this - the moment I started back on my carb backloading and high protein diet, I started seeing more significant results from it. I just started that last week and already have noticed more changes than the previous 3 weeks combined. It seems to be an excellent recomping agent which is ideal for me at this point.

Seems this stuff mandates a 1.5 to 2g/lb of lean mass in protein.
 
fueledpassion said:
Yeah, but I don't know how much of that is from Mecha. I do know this - the moment I started back on my carb backloading and high protein diet, I started seeing more significant results from it. I just started that last week and already have noticed more changes than the previous 3 weeks combined. It seems to be an excellent recomping agent which is ideal for me at this point.

Seems this stuff mandates a 1.5 to 2g/lb of lean mass in protein.
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I know what you mean..my first cycle of hdrol I made great gains, but felt I coulda made really good gains without just bc I had my diet so much more on point while cycling....not that it was **** before
 
mountainman33 said:
You going to log it?
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I can. Switched jobs soon have a little more time to post now. Just ordered yesterday from a research chem house known for sarms..so as soon a it's in I can do a couple pics and see the changes physical as well as get some lab work. My main concern is blood lipids and liver/kidney issues. Reason why I'm going to the sarms route.
 
alland said:
I can. Switched jobs soon have a little more time to post now. Just ordered yesterday from a research chem house known for sarms..so as soon a it's in I can do a couple pics and see the changes physical as well as get some lab work. My main concern is blood lipids and liver/kidney issues. Reason why I'm going to the sarms route.
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A guy over at ironmag did a cycle from one of the major sarm houses and reported the feeling of heavy toxicity. It could've been a bad batch, but he said the toxic feeling reminded him off harsher orals.

Good luck, sir
 
The Engineer said:
A guy over at ironmag did a cycle from one of the major sarm houses and reported the feeling of heavy toxicity. It could've been a bad batch, but he said the toxic feeling reminded him off harsher orals.

Good luck, sir
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well poop.

I guess we will see. Ive done enough for long enough that im fairly in tune with my body..but im due for some blood soon. My creatinine stays fairly elevated compared to a normal persons baseline, but my doctor thinks its due to the style of training i do and have more muscle mass...at one time i had some high liver values on some orals, but they returned fairly quickly.
 
joemoney1rock said:
Any updates???
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Well im basically done with the cycle. I have till Friday. Have not gotten rhe body weight above 190. I have gotten denser looking this past week. Also the other day someone who hadnt seen me In months said I looked a lot more developed. Im the most vascular of my life too
 
FitnessLuke said:
Well im basically done with the cycle. I have till Friday. Have not gotten rhe body weight above 190. I have gotten denser looking this past week. Also the other day someone who hadnt seen me In months said I looked a lot more developed. Im the most vascular of my life too
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How long did you run it for? What was the weight gain roughly and fat loss (if any) roughly? Gains in strength?
 
FitnessLuke said:
Well im basically done with the cycle. I have till Friday. Have not gotten rhe body weight above 190. I have gotten denser looking this past week. Also the other day someone who hadnt seen me In months said I looked a lot more developed. Im the most vascular of my life too
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What was your dosing? How were the sides? How did you feel on it? What do you have planned for pct? Sorry for all the questions lol.
 
Well depending on how much I ate the day before/day of I gained a max amount of 13 lbs. Now Id say 8-10 lbs was actually muscle the rest was glycogen/water weight. Not that I ever looked bloated. I just know its impossible to gain 13 lbs of pure muscle in 5 weeks.

I really never had any sides besides a bad headache here and there. Two nights I woke up to a miserable headache...idk if it was coincidental though.

Its hard to say how shutdown I am now. I dont feel that shutdown but only bloods will tell.


Also I got reallly vascular and denser with a lean bulk and this run
 
FitnessLuke said:
Well depending on how much I ate the day before/day of I gained a max amount of 13 lbs. Now Id say 8-10 lbs was actually muscle the rest was glycogen/water weight. Not that I ever looked bloated. I just know its impossible to gain 13 lbs of pure muscle in 5 weeks.

I really never had any sides besides a bad headache here and there. Two nights I woke up to a miserable headache...idk if it was coincidental though.

Its hard to say how shutdown I am now. I dont feel that shutdown but only bloods will tell.


Also I got reallly vascular and denser with a lean bulk and this run
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What did you dose it at? What do you have planned for pct?
 
I am running this, and lethargy is killing me badly :(((
What you suggest would help with lethary-low-energy through day :I
 
Yeah, what was the dosage? Is SS legit? Would one bottle from SS be enough for one cycle? Does SS have any discount codes somebody could PM me? Thanks.
 
I mean I guess ss is legit. Thats who I used and got it at discount price. I ran 10mg right away. You should probably go with 5mg.

Also epiandro for lethargy
 
koi1214 said:
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I appreciate u guys trying to offer alternatives to the currently banned steroids but PLEASE do not get our research chem industry banned over this.

Those research chems are not even close to being as important as legit GHS peptides and the last thing we need is for the feds to just scoop up the entire chem market and throw it on the list.

Sell them things as chemicals, not as supplements.
 
fueledpassion said:
I appreciate u guys trying to offer alternatives to the currently banned steroids but PLEASE do not get our research chem industry banned over this.

Those research chems are not even close to being as important as legit GHS peptides and the last thing we need is for the feds to just scoop up the entire chem market and throw it on the list.

Sell them things as chemicals, not as supplements.
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This is true and I was kinda thinking the same thing when I saw those sarm pills
 
fueledpassion said:
I appreciate u guys trying to offer alternatives to the currently banned steroids but PLEASE do not get our research chem industry banned over this.

Those research chems are not even close to being as important as legit GHS peptides and the last thing we need is for the feds to just scoop up the entire chem market and throw it on the list.

Sell them things as chemicals, not as supplements.
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I have nothing to do with that company.I just posted it because this thread is about LGD4033.
 
fueledpassion said:
I appreciate u guys trying to offer alternatives to the currently banned steroids but PLEASE do not get our research chem industry banned over this.

Those research chems are not even close to being as important as legit GHS peptides and the last thing we need is for the feds to just scoop up the entire chem market and throw it on the list.

Sell them things as chemicals, not as supplements.
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While I do agree with your stance about keeping research chemicals/oils out of the public eye, I do not think (then again I could be wrong and we should underestimate the evilness and tenacity of big brother in systematically removing our intrinsic rights -one of those being to participate in a free market society) that they will go after GHRPs/GHRHs. It's minuscule industry and even though all of have them have the "not for human consumption" warming, they are sold with the intention of research.

I remember, though, that OSTAGAIN was under the public eye a few years/months(?) back for marketing their products with the intention of human consumption. I'll have to look this up, and unfortunately I'm carb loading now after being depleted and going through sugar swings. Nonetheless, I believe congress chewed them out and shut them down and now we have peptide companies who sell with the intention of non-human research.

But I agree. GHS peptides are far more important than SARMs. They are beautiful products and the issue of bioavailability is on our side. Many are afraid to inject (even the thought scares some), so again, GHS peptides are such a small niche. Can they go after them due to the popularity of SARMs? Who knows? It hasn't stopped research companies from selling patented products such as cialis and clomiphene...
 
Update for my pct: Well I started pct last monday. I definitely felt suppressed after. Not too bad, but I think one day depression hit me and then also a loss of motivation. Now I also caught a cold (perfect timing of course) so it coulda been me being sick also. I'm sitting at 185-187, but definitely leaner. That's like 10 lbs increase. This week I'm feeling better. Last week I also tried having sec with a girl. It was rather embarrassing, bc I lost my boner. That was the first time that's ever happened to me...ever. It was also day 2 of my pct..had sex this week and it was better, I could have been a little harder, but it wasn't too bad.

Running toremifene and then nolva after I run out. Happy with my results. Hopefully can maintain my previous on bench and dumbbell shoulder press
 
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I mean this is like 2 weeks into pct...a little under. I'm still very vascular and what not. I'll be happy if I can maintain where I'm at honestly
 
I do, but their on my old phone, so give me a little time...they honestly don't show a remarkable change bc the quality sadly. Like they make it seem like I didn't gain too much, but I know in person I have gotten more veins and definition.

Also today I hit a p.r for dumbbell shoulder press...got the 100s 8-10 reps no help

Body weight was down though/:
 
BCseacow83 said:
I have been prescribed test for TRT and have researched trest so I can give you an honest comparison of pharma test vs trest.

Gains: About the same for me. I respond very well to plain old test. I have very low levels to begin with so perhaps this plays in. Trest delivers the same amount of gains with a bit more water retention for me.

Sides: trest is worse for BP for me than test is. Estrogen is slightly worse on trest but not terribly so for me. I see many mention trest is almost uncontrollable E wise but for me it was not that big of a deal and I have pubertal gyno so I am susceptible to E sides. For transparency I have never researched more than 300mg/week trest. I see many talking 600 and up. At that dose I could see E being more difficult to control. As far as lipids go they are both about equally negative on lipid levels. Trest raises hematocrit to a lesser degree than test.

Libido: Hands down TEST wins for me and I have a theory as to why. As far as I know trest is a 19-nor and does not get 5-alpha reduced into DHT(PLEASE if this is incorrect someone point it out). By using trest you are suppressing test and thus dht levels go down. This to me would explain why I have no libido on trest. I also may be the exception as many report the exact opposite. A low dose of stano rectifys the DHT issue for me. On trest I will say that I never loose the ability to perform just there is not real sex drive. I also have a pretty low libido to begin with so take this all with a grain of salt.

If you have any other specific questions let me know. If I had legal access to one or the other I would always take test over trest. That being said trest is pretty awesome and if I had legal access to both I would combine them.
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thats been my experience also. trest is more potent. test is better for libido. trest is very androgenic on paper, for what thats worth. its not 5 alpha reduced in vivo because of the 7aCH3 attachment. this likely explains some of its androgenicity because 19nors generally become weaker when thay are 5ar'ed, like nandrolone. it becomes a weaker androgen than the parent hormone. test becomes a stronger androgen.
idk how androgenic trest really is in humans though. my facial hair grows alot quicker on testosterone. trest seems to even slow it down. that probably doesn't mean anything though.
i can make gains gains on 100mgs/week and e2 isn't a problem at this low dose. it's similar to 400mg of test, as far as gains.
 
koi1214 said:
I would say yes it did. LGD-4033 is expected to produce the therapeutic benefits of testosterone with improved safety, tolerability and patient acceptance due to tissue-selective mechanism of action and an oral route of administration
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What does that mean when you say it produces the therapeutic benefits of testosterone?
 
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