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chenk

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Why do people by prohormones all day long and run them stand-alone why can’t people run winny or dbol standalone?
 
I agree but why the hate for dbol solo when people take pro hormones solo day long was the question.
 
For me it's day one from nausea. With test not so bad for some reason. Can't be hormonal i figure if its from day one.
 
Old Witch said:
For me it's day one from nausea. With test not so bad for some reason. Can't be hormonal i figure if its from day one.
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I hate dbol too, lol. With -or without test. BP shoots up, moonface and sudden mid-cycle weakness. No idea why its so toxic for me. Sdrol I can run for 5-6 weeks at 20mg, when others think they gonna die by week one.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I hate dbol too, lol. With -or without test. BP shoots up, moonface and sudden mid-cycle weakness. No idea why its so toxic for me. Sdrol I can run for 5-6 weeks at 20mg, when others think they gonna die by week one.
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Same here. SD was less kind to me than M1T though. But I get it what you're saying. Funny how that works.
 
I would assume that dbol solo would result in a rapid jump in weight, followed by a rapid drop in weight, which is probably why it’s not really ran solo much.
 
Here’s a theory. PH/DS, because of their legality and ease are usually considered a beginner’s anabolic. To get ones feet wet and learn how their body responds and how they recover. I feel like, maybe it’s assumed that once you venture into illegal, more complicated, and harder to source AAS, it’s a common consensus that you are then ready to approach cycles with a proper base and required duration.

I’ve always felt, if you’re not ready for pinning, stick with designers and stay within the law. There’s many that are easily as effective as black market AAS.
 
It doesn't matter. Prohormones are just more easily attained and many are misguided not realizing it's actual AAS. People don't want injections. Test should preferably always be involved
 
I think a lot of the people that stick to traditional AAS will disagree with oral only cycles as well as prohormones in general.

Not everyone of course, i feel this is one of the many subdivisions of the AAS User lol. I think both traditional or PH/DS all have their place. People should do whatever they are comfortable with. My first few were oral only and they were great. Now i enjoy pinning.
 
Steeleydan said:
I think a lot of the people that stick to traditional AAS will disagree with oral only cycles as well as prohormones in general.

Not everyone of course, i feel this is one of the many subdivisions of the AAS User lol. I think both traditional or PH/DS all have their place. People should do whatever they are comfortable with. My first few were oral only and they were great. Now i enjoy pinning.
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I can respect that people chose not to inject but I just see it as a more efficient and often safer approach. It doesn't mean you cant run oral cycle only.
 
Matthersby said:
Here’s a theory. PH/DS, because of their legality and ease are usually considered a beginner’s anabolic. To get ones feet wet and learn how their body responds and how they recover. I feel like, maybe it’s assumed that once you venture into illegal, more complicated, and harder to source AAS, it’s a common consensus that you are then ready to approach cycles with a proper base and required duration.

I’ve always felt, if you’re not ready for pinning, stick with designers and stay within the law. There’s many that are easily as effective as black market AAS.
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Pretty much how I started. ^^^

Then once you exhaust the orals, get tired of liver stress and lethargy without a test base... We wisen up, get past self-pin fears and use real gear with a longer proven track record.


I logged a lot of PH/SARMs here all without a test base for 2-3 years... Works fine, but test base and real gear works better.

Plus as a 38y/o new dad of two and with a reasonable career now... well in my 20s I was a party chemistry set, then 30s I was these silly new anabolics too...

Just trying to eat clean and use proven gear now, no new chemicals for me anymore, lol.


To give my self a break from pins, PCT or also some orals like Winstrol, Max LMG, and Hexadrone, etc. Have their place. For non methyl dry PH Furaza was good too. I only tolerate a little 17-a alkylated compounds like Winstrol, but those aren't as harsh as say Halo or M1T...
 
Because you wont keep your gains. You lose a lot of what you attained on cycle because you dont have good test levels when you come off. Thats why youre supposed to take test while on pros so you keep your levels under control and (mostly) keep your gains.
 
Shiznitzz said:
Because you wont keep your gains. You lose a lot of what you attained on cycle because you dont have good test levels when you come off. Thats why youre supposed to take test while on pros so you keep your levels under control and (mostly) keep your gains.
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If you take test your shut down still after you come off and your test levels tank. You don't loose your gains coming off if you pct, eat and train hard. You loose glycogen and water. Not muscle. Guys ran dbol only cycles back in the day with no problems. All you guys get so caught up with what you read that no1 knows what works in real life. Would test make a cycle better? Of course. But any steroid can be ran solo if you know what your doing.

****, I've seen guys run tren e solo and have no problems and recover fine.
 
Smont said:
If you take test your shut down still after you come off and your test levels tank. You don't loose your gains coming off if you pct, eat and train hard. You loose glycogen and water. Not muscle. Guys ran dbol only cycles back in the day with no problems. All you guys get so caught up with what you read that no1 knows what works in real life. Would test make a cycle better? Of course. But any steroid can be ran solo if you know what your doing.

****, I've seen guys run tren e solo and have no problems and recover fine.
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well I agree; thats why I've always been hesitant with test. Once you run any dose you are guaranteed shutdown while doing orals, prohormones, sarms depending on the product its either shutdown or just max suppression where you can bounce back to normal levels and not risky completely ****ing up your hpta. But it is also genetic based; I kind of don't agree with the tren though. I realize guys who cycled for years taking tren, deca, or any 19 nor literally have test levels of a girl even after post pct and Im talking 6 months to a year and still their levels are shut where doctors want to recommend HRT for them.
 
50Magnum said:
well I agree; thats why I've always been hesitant with test. Once you run any dose you are guaranteed shutdown while doing orals, prohormones, sarms depending on the product its either shutdown or just max suppression where you can bounce back to normal levels and not risky completely ****ing up your hpta. But it is also genetic based; I kind of don't agree with the tren though. I realize guys who cycled for years taking tren, deca, or any 19 nor literally have test levels of a girl even after post pct and Im talking 6 months to a year and still their levels are shut where doctors want to recommend HRT for them.
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No, your risk of shutdown on oral steroids is no different then injectable steroids. I'm not advising against test. I prefer it on any cycle. I'm simply just saying you can cycle without it
 
Shiznitzz said:
Because you wont keep your gains. You lose a lot of what you attained on cycle because you dont have good test levels when you come off. Thats why youre supposed to take test while on pros so you keep your levels under control and (mostly) keep your gains.
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That's actually not true brother.
A lot of people are wrongly assuming (or listening to wrong advice) that Test, or a "Test base" will keep you from getting shut down. And that just is not true in the slightest.

When you come off of a cycle, your Test levels will naturally plummet, whether or not you ran a Test base.
That is because your own natutal Test production has been shutdown on cycle (again, with or without a base), and when you remove the external hormones... There is "none" (basically).
 
Smont said:
What you mean by that?
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Well using the example he said, a dbol only cycle would more likely give you way more side effects with very little return(quality muscle). So more risks than rewards in the end. I would think the same could be said about winstrol but I have no experience with that,Now that may not be the case for anavar
 
cody199477 said:
Well using the example he said, a dbol only cycle would more likely give you way more side effects with very little return(quality muscle). So more risks than rewards in the end. I would think the same could be said about winstrol but I have no experience with that,Now that may not be the case for anavar
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You'd add some muscle.. Just as much as any other oral but also more water which during pct can affect the outcome of how you'd look after. Winstrol would and should add less size than dbol and cortisol will still be a problem but water won't. I guess being able to control cortisol would make winstrol a much better alternative for aesthetics but not for strength and size. The thing is, oral cycles when ran 4-6 weeks, which really isn't mandatory but more a scare coming from phs being released with a label saying max 6 weeks.. In reality one can run them much longer.

Quite hard to say what the best risk/reward would be when we're talking about how many weeks would be most beneficial. I do believe dbol or any other oral greatly loses the effect after only a few weeks while stacking it with test and maybe deca would increase the gains a lot.

Any steroid including injectible almost must be ran more than 6 weeks. Orals gains are just fast but not necessarily as strong long term.
 
Chados said:
You'd add some muscle.. Just as much as any other oral but also more water which during pct can affect the outcome of how you'd look after. Winstrol would and should add less size than dbol and cortisol will still be a problem but water won't. I guess being able to control cortisol would make winstrol a much better alternative for aesthetics but not for strength and size. The thing is, oral cycles when ran 4-6 weeks, which really isn't mandatory but more a scare coming from phs being released with a label saying max 6 weeks.. In reality one can run them much longer.

Quite hard to say what the best risk/reward would be when we're talking about how many weeks would be most beneficial. I do believe dbol or any other oral greatly loses the effect after only a few weeks while stacking it with test and maybe deca would increase the gains a lot.

Any steroid including injectible almost must be ran more than 6 weeks. Orals gains are just fast but not necessarily as strong long term.
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Basically exactly this.

There’s three camps here also. And I’ve done it all three ways.

- Oral only followed by pct. Rapid gains followed by a drop in water at pct, followed by slow loss of anywhere from 10-60%of the gains depending on so many different factors over the next few months.
- Oral with Test. Water drop at cessation of oral. Maintain a lot of the gains as you finish the next 4-8 weeks of test. But then you’re on longer = more suppression. If you’re under 35 you can probably keep maybe 75% of the dry weight gain. But not always.
- Oral along with TRT cruise.
If your levels are kept at 850 or up, once you drop water, I believe you can keep 90% of dry gains with enough calories. It never looks as good as when you were on but you won’t lose that weight.

The longer I’ve messed with this, the more I think one needs to factor in time suppressed. You may look fantastic at 38 years old on a 14 week cycle, but even after an extremely thorough pct, I’d be amazed if you keep 30% of those gains in 3 months after pct.

If you need to recover: 8 weeks with a short estered base to solidify some of those rapid oral gains. Thorough as hell pct. 1/4 of a year on aas will suppress you hard, especially if you are getting up there in age. If I could go back, it would be orals, Ace or Prop, get as much as you can in 8 weeks. 4 is too short, and 12+ is for when you are ready to potentially go on TRT or start cruising.

All my opinion, but I’ve done 2 dozen cycles prior to blast/cruise TRT and paid attention to what happened to me during/after on them.
 
Matthersby said:
Basically exactly this.

There’s three camps here also. And I’ve done it all three ways.

- Oral only followed by pct. Rapid gains followed by a drop in water at pct, followed by slow loss of anywhere from 10-60%of the gains depending on so many different factors over the next few months.
- Oral with Test. Water drop at cessation of oral. Maintain a lot of the gains as you finish the next 4-8 weeks of test. But then you’re on longer = more suppression. If you’re under 35 you can probably keep maybe 75% of the dry weight gain. But not always.
- Oral along with TRT cruise.
If your levels are kept at 850 or up, once you drop water, I believe you can keep 90% of dry gains with enough calories. It never looks as good as when you were on but you won’t lose that weight.

The longer I’ve messed with this, the more I think one needs to factor in time suppressed. You may look fantastic at 38 years old on a 14 week cycle, but even after an extremely thorough pct, I’d be amazed if you keep 30% of those gains in 3 months after pct.

If you need to recover: 8 weeks with a short estered base to solidify some of those rapid oral gains. Thorough as hell pct. 1/4 of a year on aas will suppress you hard, especially if you are getting up there in age. If I could go back, it would be orals, Ace or Prop, get as much as you can in 8 weeks. 4 is too short, and 12+ is for when you are ready to potentially go on TRT or start cruising.

All my opinion, but I’ve done 2 dozen cycles prior to blast/cruise TRT and paid attention to what happened to me during/after on them.
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yeah I realized doing it short and simple would be the best way. Have you run HCG from the beginning though when you started. I just realized starting your first cycle or when beginning anabolics its best to run HCG while on(not on Blast and Cruises) but if your doing something like a 12-16 week cycle. Reason that being yes HPTA gets shutdown still while on, but it can rebound back because HCG prevents testicular atrophy. This wouldn't really work if you ran two cycles of test(even after a cycle of test slight atrophy in balls) and basically at that point your balls are slightly atrophied and while running hcg on your next cycle will keep them going it won't bring back how much atrophy happened to your balls on the cycles you ran before. Here something crazy to read though one medical study shows people running anadrol 100mg daily for 24 weeks testosterone dropped over 50% but no shutdown over the age of 20(median age I believe was 40). Another log where this ****ing kid ran deca(I would never touch personally) no test he did take insulin while taking deca and gained like over 40 lbs in the course of 6 weeks and kept 35lbs or so months down the line without any shutdown etc but this could of been genetic. I think alot of this recovery/shutdown is basically genetic though. Will post the study and reddit thread down below.

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50Magnum said:
yeah I realized doing it short and simple would be the best way. Have you run HCG from the beginning though when you started. I just realized starting your first cycle or when beginning anabolics its best to run HCG while on(not on Blast and Cruises) but if your doing something like a 12-16 week cycle. Reason that being yes HPTA gets shutdown still while on, but it can rebound back because HCG prevents testicular atrophy. This wouldn't really work if you ran two cycles of test(even after a cycle of test slight atrophy in balls) and basically at that point your balls are slightly atrophied and while running hcg on your next cycle will keep them going it won't bring back how much atrophy happened to your balls on the cycles you ran before. Here something crazy to read though one medical study shows people running anadrol 100mg daily for 24 weeks testosterone dropped over 50% but no shutdown over the age of 20(median age I believe was 40). Another log where this ****ing kid ran deca(I would never touch personally) no test he did take insulin while taking deca and gained like over 40 lbs in the course of 6 weeks and kept 35lbs or so months down the line without any shutdown etc but this could of been genetic. I think alot of this recovery/shutdown is basically genetic though. Will post the study and reddit thread down below.

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A very nice study, tnx! I'm totally surprised that anadrol suppressed only 50% after 24 weeks at a dose of 100mg! Anadrol just might be in my next oral only + serm cycle lol This goes to show why oral only cycles are easier to recover from.
 
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