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Legality of PHs military and advice welcome

jahlive

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So im in the Navy and I have ran a few cycles of Msten and SD clones in the last couple years with good results but recently I had a Low T scare. I hadn't been able to make gains for sometime, recovery from workouts was rough, I was moody, had run ins with gyno like symptoms, and a huge lack in motivation in everyday life. I had personally ordered so lab tests done. the first showed my Total T serum of 222 so I proceeded to change my routine to my compound lifts, more rest, a cleaner diet, and even starting tanning to up my vitamin D. had labs done again with a level of 69. uh oh right? even though my test was somewhat compromised being that I had them done in the afternoon. so I went to medical to consult with the doc and learned that test levels are so unpredictable throughout the day its hard to pinpoint exactly where you at. Within seconds of having a hot naked chick approach you, your test levels can skyrocket (hinting my dry spell could be to blame LOL). He then ordered one more lab taking at 730am to be more accurate and he told me he saw nothing abnormal with levels and started questioning me about what ive taken and if im just trying to start replacement therapy to gain an edge in the weight room. kinda pissed me off since my concern was legitimate. well I walked outta there pissed off but more at ease knowing my levels weren't considered severe enough for replacement and my sides seemed to be of either stress or various other factors. so im at a crossroads, do I just do what im doing hoping I bounce back with some gains or consider running another PH run. You should also know im haven't ran PHs to simply gain an edge cause I reached a plateau. Ive had many in my lifting history and have fought the whole way gaining +-40ish pounds. im a naturally skinny dude, not that im making excuses ive just reached a point in the last year where my mind wants more gains and my body just doesn't want to supply them. Ive been back and forth the last few months but need some advice from a fellow military member on the legality of Methylstenbolone and research chems (clomid) should I decide to give it another go. I know both currently are not considered controlled substances as far a I know but the clomid chem especially seems like a grey area that could get me into some trouble should my room get searched. or if im accused of using anabolics and forced to have test done showing elevated levels from the Msten. Id say they're probably going have an eye on me anyways judging by the harsh reaction and questioning I received at the docs office. So what do you think? Would I be in the clear? Any advice appreciated.

p.s. sorry my thread was long, maybe a little too in depth.
 
I'm natural, and don't really know anything about T levels, so sorry I can't help you there. I am active duty though. You asked whether that legal compound is UCMJ legal or not, right? (you wrote a lot lol)

Anything that can test as a steroid, will be a violation of the UCMJ, whether it's a legal compound or the real deal. Granted they won't test your test levels, but you could possibly be tested for steroids specifically if probable cause arises by your command.

With research chemicals, they're not meant for human consumption, obviously, but you could sure bet that the military would consider that you're taking prescription medication without a prescription....therefore a drug incident, just like taking Ritalin without a script would be. But..they don't test for that.

I would be more concerned with having any skewed blood results during a physical because of usage of a compound, and medical looking into why your liver is jacked up.

I went to medical to get a prescription for retin-a and clyndamyacine for acne that I've had since I was 13, and they doc asked me if I'm taking any "muscle building products with testosterone in it"

There's some other AD guys hangin around here that may have more to say.
 
yeah man I did kinda overdue the length haha just wanted people to know where im coming from I guess lol. I did look at the list of of banned substances and I did see other stens on there but not the compound I would take, and as far as the research clomid the grey area concerns me a lot even though there isn't a test for it. You know as well as I do the military is starting to crack down and a false result from a lipid test for a physical like you mentioned might send a red flag. the doc, despite being the questioning, was a pretty chill guy. it was obvious I knew about said anabolics and he was very frank about it all. and as dumb as it sounds im wondering if I straight up asked him the legality of it all if he could provide an honest answer. itd be a lot better to ask him versus the chief MA of my command cause that would be a sure bet of suspicion. the doc would hands down know for sure but its kinda sketchy if it backfires.
 
Don't ask the Doc. It's illegal. The banned substance list provides the compounds, and I believe it says "and any metabolite of these compounds" or some crap like that. There's no way for you to legally (UCMJ legal) to do it. This is where you proceed at your own risk.

And sure as sh1t don't ask your Chief
 
welp, I guess just gonna have to push through this rut like in the past. hopefully I bounce back with some gains. thanks for the input fellas
 
Hate to derail but can people get TRT scripts like Androgel while in the military?
 
Hate to derail but can people get TRT scripts like Androgel while in the military?

Not really a thread derail, seeing as that's what the OP wants.

I doubt it. Unless it's affecting you to the point where you are incapable of performing your duty, I don't see it happening. I may be wrong though.

I just saw a kid get discharged because he didn't want to take the annual flu mist. They're quick to kick people out. Being dependant on drugs could be a reason to. -This is all just guesstimating
 
I'm active duty and a user. I will post up some stuff for you later. Don't sweat it tho. Most of the military uses steroids and you rarely hear of people being caught.
 
I'm active duty and a user. I will post up some stuff for you later. Don't sweat it tho. Most of the military uses steroids and you rarely hear of people being caught.
This. I had a friend who got busted for using the Andro stack (room inspection, they found the "supps") he ended up having to go to JAG and explain what it was, the UCMJ action was tossed out because it was a legal supplement. Again tho, this is ARMY, so I don't know how flexible the navy is when it comes to simple things like that. All I do know is my CO was bigger than a brick ****house, and either had very impressive genetics beyond anything I've ever seen before (he was black :) ) or he was clearly on the sauce, my guess is a combination of both but I don't know for 100% certainty; too muscular to be natty tho. So.... as DangerDave mentioned if you keep it under wraps and don't go advertising it, keep personal use personal, no one should really care. Steroid testing takes too much money, so they generally don't like to do it, except in specific cases where it's clear that you juice and they want you out of the service for some reason.

Generally speaking tho, a stronger/healthier soldier is a greater asset to the military, so from a purely functional perspective I don't think they care as long as it doesn't create trouble for them. Hope that makes sense. 2.5yrs Army active duty
 
This. I had a friend who got busted for using the Andro stack (room inspection, they found the "supps") he ended up having to go to JAG and explain what it was, the UCMJ action was tossed out because it was a legal supplement. Again tho, this is ARMY, so I don't know how flexible the navy is when it comes to simple things like that. All I do know is my CO was bigger than a brick ****house, and either had very impressive genetics beyond anything I've ever seen before (he was black :) ) or he was clearly on the sauce, my guess is a combination of both but I don't know for 100% certainty; too muscular to be natty tho. So.... as DangerDave mentioned if you keep it under wraps and don't go advertising it, keep personal use personal, no one should really care. Steroid testing takes too much money, so they generally don't like to do it, except in specific cases where it's clear that you juice and they want you out of the service for some reason.

Generally speaking tho, a stronger soldier is a greater asset to the military, so from a purely functional perspective I don't think they care as long as it doesn't create trouble for them. Hope that makes sense. 2.5yrs Army active duty

I think Sean mentioned that they don't care, but OP asked about legality of it IIRC.


I knew tons of guys while I was in that were on, typically no one cares until it effects performance. (back pumps hindering PT, shin splints, etc.)

But, the fact of the matter is, if you're taking it and the leadership decide they don't like you (for any reason) they can test you with no advance warning and kick you out.

And, it's not really easy to keep it under wraps with guys that you're around the majority of your day, they know when you're on, Leadership included.
 
pizzadrol,

like they said its gotta be pretty bad for them to prescribe it. they were also telling me the "unofficial age" requirement is like 35 across the board. they said theyre morally obligated to refuse replacement unless absolutely necessary. you can, however, push to have a referral to go out in town to have tests done and have a civvy doc prescribe it but even still the military side would almost certainly deny it. but all in all you really don't wanna go down that route being too young unless you arnt worried about having kids and don't mind being on it the rest of your life. plus the dosages are like a 10th of what a BB would take to get the kinda results youd be looking for. be glad you don't need it if you don't have too.
 
jimbuick,

yeah man my guys knew I had done it and even a couple of my buddies ran one too. its funny cause my leadership would always joke, say to lay off the roids bro but theyd just laugh and want to lift with me afterwards lol. plus you see all the corpsmen and some of these muhfukers are huge so you cant tell me they don't sneak in the back supply office and load up from time to time... I need to get in good with them and get a hook up lol
 
ther is a list of banned substances i know for a fact DMZ and a few others are not on there

If you get tested for steroids and you test positive, they will most likely not care if it's OTC and you'll still be in a heap of crap. No OTC's will be on that list. I'd rather the OP be cautious about using while active duty, instead of being %100 care free.
 
we had alot of guys get etsted last deployment and they just showed the PA what they took and they were good but thing=s always change so safer is better but im just saying you may have one leg to stand on instead of being completeley illigeal ,which quite a few AAS clear you system in 3 days and you could always go the illegal route
 
we had alot of guys get etsted last deployment and they just showed the PA what they took and they were good but thing=s always change so safer is better but im just saying you may have one leg to stand on instead of being completeley illigeal ,which quite a few AAS clear you system in 3 days and you could always go the illegal route

I'm sure it's gotta vary in different situations then. Like I said earlier, I've been asked several times if I'm taking "muscle building supplements with testosterone in it" so I'm not gonna risk it haha
 
yea im in the same boat always used to get asked and i was like hell no then almost three years ago i discoverd legal prohormones and thus began my journy haha have a good one brother
 
It is very hard to get tested for steroids because in the military they have to have probable cause. Now if your room is inspected and the person knows what it is then you might be in trouble but a steroid test is not like the normal drug test you take. The drug test you take test for everything pretty much. A steroid test only test for 1 compound. So they have to know what you are on to test you for it. Iv asked my someone about PH that I trust and he said it would be thrown out because its legal. And he's above my pay grade. That's my 2 cents
 
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