KT-11 Feedback for Fat Loss

[StarScream66]

Hi,

I just wanted to get some (hopefully) non-supplement rep opinions on their experiences with KT-11. What was your overall experiment with it and did you use it topically or orally? How much did you take and did you take it alone or stack it with other things?

Thanks for the responses in a advance,
-SS

 

[dvw]

Very mild. Drys you out. Is definitely androgenic though. Need 200 mg transdermal minimum to have gainz of muscle mass. Lower than that is underwelming.

 

[Afi140]

Although I am a rep for strong we don’t carry any 11 products so this isn’t a “sales push” if that’s what you’re worried about. Have used topical and oral for years and love both. Topical works slightly better but I like oral for convenience. Other than EC it’s one of the most effective cutting supps out and I often stack them. Topical I would do 150-250mg and oral 300-500mg if funds permit. Lower
Doses still work well though.

 

[semtex]

It's expensive and it needs to be dosed really high

 

[TheVenom]

Im running a log on it currently here https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/thevenom-cuts-with-s4ss-yk11.316126/#post-6345037

Love the results so far.

 

[Darkhorse192]

what kind of post-cycle do you need for 11? Full?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Im running a log on it currently here https://anabolicminds.com/community/threads/thevenom-cuts-with-s4ss-yk11.316126/#post-6345037

Love the results so far.

11-KT and YK-11 are not the same thing.

 

[johnny412]

11-KT and YK-11 are not the same thing.

no they arent

 

[semtex]

One is 11-ketotestosterone the other is a SARM

 

[jrock645]

11-KT and YK-11 are not the same thing.

jesus...

 

[johnny412]

jesus...

well i think he said that cause thevenom got confused about the op post...hell i may be confused too idk lol....thevenom posted a yk 11 log...op talkin bout 11 kt

 

[jrock645]

will i think he said that cause thevenom got confused about the op post...hell i may be confused too idk lol....thevenom posted a yk 11 log...op talkin bout 11 kt

no you guys are right. Yk11 def isn’t the same thing. I’m just appalled that his dude posted that, clearly without really reading the thread title. He just saw “11” and ran with it. Attention span less than a squirrel.

 

[johnny412]

no you guys are right. Yk11 def isn’t the same thing. I’m just appalled that his dude posted that, clearly without really reading the thread title. He just saw “11” and ran with it. Attention span less than a squirrel.

lol yep!

 

[TheVenom]

Yes, im aware they are not the same thing. I misread the post, it was a mistake, an accident.

What was not an accident was @jrock645 being a prick about it. Appalled, really? I was just trying to help so the insults are just ignorant. I have thick skin and can appeeciate a joke at my expense, this didntI feel like a joke to me. I have ADHD and have to deal with stuff like this daily. Its a struggle dude. Keep that toxic shit between you and your yesman @johnny412 in your DMs


Sorry @StarScream66. I had my log on my mind and my brain connected the wrong dots. I have no experience with kt-11. @djbombsquad didnt i see where you ran some?

 

[johnny412]

Yes, im aware they are not the same thing. I misread the post, it was a mistake, an accident.

What was not an accident was @jrock645 being a prick about it. Appalled, really? I was just trying to help so the insults are just ignorant. I have thick skin and can appeeciate a joke at my expense, this didntI feel like a joke to me. I have ADHD and have to deal with stuff like this daily. Its a struggle dude. Keep that toxic shit between you and your yesman @johnny412 in your DMs


Sorry @StarScream66. I had my log on my mind and my brain connected the wrong dots. I have no experience with kt-11. @djbombsquad didnt i see where you ran some?

aaaah for what its worth i apologize

 

[jrock645]

Yes, im aware they are not the same thing. I misread the post, it was a mistake, an accident.

What was not an accident was @jrock645 being a prick about it. Appalled, really? I was just trying to help so the insults are just ignorant. I have thick skin and can appeeciate a joke at my expense, this didntI feel like a joke to me. I have ADHD and have to deal with stuff like this daily. Its a struggle dude. Keep that toxic shit between you and your yesman @johnny412 in your DMs


Sorry @StarScream66. I had my log on my mind and my brain connected the wrong dots. I have no experience with kt-11. @djbombsquad didnt i see where you ran some?

oh Jesus dude, cry me a river. Want me to get you a tampon?

yeah, you made a mistake. No big deal but be a man about it instead of acting like a bloody gash.

 

[TheVenom]

oh Jesus dude, cry me a river. Want me to get you a tampon?

yeah, you made a mistake. No big deal but be a man about it instead of acting like a bloody gash.

A man steps up to his mistakes like i did. You, my dude, are acting like a little boy. Have fun in this thread, im out.

 

[jrock645]

A man steps up to his mistakes like i did. You, my dude, are acting like a little boy. Have fun in this thread, im out.

you’re the one crying like a but hurt gash. You didn’t step up. You whined and cried and made excuses like a bitch.

 

[TheVenom]

you’re the one crying like a but hurt gash. You didn’t step up. You whined and cried and made excuses like a bitch.

Alright dude thanks.

 

[Iwilleattuna]

Stacking 11 x and yk11

 

[semtex]

I would take h-drol or m-sten over a SARM

 

[Iwilleattuna]

I would take h-drol or m-sten over a SARM

yk11 is a asarm but not 11 ketotestosterone

 

[semtex]

yk11 is a asarm but not 11 ketotestosterone

11-kt is not a sarm, yk11 is. people think sarms are safer then prohormones but there not. And technically what people label as prohormones are actually steroids.

 

[StarScream66]

So, this thread got a little derailed I see

But, still looking for any other feedback on it. Can anyone explain exactly how it's working? Is it a DHT derivative? I read the Wikipedia article on it and I didn't get much from it from a practical standpoint. If it's a muscle builder, why use it during cutting? To preserve muscle?

 

[nostrum420]

So, this thread got a little derailed I see

But, still looking for any other feedback on it. Can anyone explain exactly how it's working? Is it a DHT derivative? I read the Wikipedia article on it and I didn't get much from it from a practical standpoint. If it's a muscle builder, why use it during cutting? To preserve muscle?

I am a sponsor but I'll try not to be shilly. Yes, it's ideally used in a cut to preserve muscle while losing fat.

You can also use as a "bridge" into PCT whereby you stop all the really suppressive stuff and use just the KT for a few weeks and then start PCT. PA used to recommend this on PHF back in the day, but I digress...

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

So, this thread got a little derailed I see

But, still looking for any other feedback on it. Can anyone explain exactly how it's working? Is it a DHT derivative? I read the Wikipedia article on it and I didn't get much from it from a practical standpoint. If it's a muscle builder, why use it during cutting? To preserve muscle?

I think I recall its mode of action seems to be more towards cortisol management than anabolism or even adronicity.
It is not a test, nor test, nor DHT molecule. 11KT is a fish androgen that is found in the food chain making this a DSHEA compliant PH. Its much beloved in cutting uses because its devastates visceral fat and makes your stomach / waist look much tighter.

 

[semtex]

I know it effect cortisol, and it can help with leaning out and preserving muscle on a cut but it's expensive and has to be does pretty high. If you use Kronos from aphex alchemy i would recommend 40 sprays a day, if you use prototype nutritions product I would recommend 100 spray a day.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

I know it effect cortisol, and it can help with leaning out and preserving muscle on a cut but it's expensive and has to be does pretty high. If you use Kronos from aphex alchemy i would recommend 40 sprays a day, if you use prototype nutritions product I would recommend 100 spray a day.

so you're saying 400 mgs per day TD ? because I was thinking it would be quite lower myself.

 

[semtex]

I took Kronos at 25 sprays a day and didn't see much so it would have to be dosed higher the 11kt spray from prototype I remember people going through 2 bottles a month.

 

[semtex]

In the prohormone forum days people were running 11-oxo at closer to 900-1,000 mg. So I would guess since 11-kt it's transdermal it would be some where between 400-500mg half of the oral dose.

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

In the prohormone forum days people were running 11-oxo at closer to 900-1,000 mg. So I would guess since 11-kt it's transdermal it would be some where between 400-500mg half of the oral dose.

see that's where I think there is confusion.. 11KT is stronger than 11oxo, and while I do remember eating those doses I have never needed that kind of dose with TD kt. I would be interested in Nos' thoughts on the subject. I seem to remember running the 200mgs area.. its been awhile tho.

 

[nostrum420]

400 seems excessive to me. I generally use 150 but as part of a stack. Maybe 300 tops if you're running it solo.

 

[Smont]

yk11 is a asarm but not 11 ketotestosterone

Yk 11 is actually closer to a steroid then a sarm. Has a dht steroid backbone to it's structure, here's a another fun fact, technically you can call tren a sarm for it's extremely high androgen recptor activity. It's the most selective steroid. At least that I know of.

At the end of the day, there all just anabolics

 

[semtex]

LGI 11-x goes for $49.99 to run it at 900mg for 1 month you would need close to 4 bottles.Both are very pricey and need to be dosed high. There are some that prefer 11-oxo over 11-kt.

 

[johnny412]

LGI 11-x goes for $49.99 to run it at 900mg for 1 month you would need close to 4 bottles.Both are very pricey and need to be dosed high. There are some that prefer 11-oxo over 11-kt.

i ran a bottle of brawn 11 oxo last year and it was kinda rough...just going by the legarthy and dark orange pee.

 

[nostrum420]

Yk 11 is actually closer to a steroid then a sarm. Has a dht steroid backbone to it's structure, here's a another fun fact, technically you can call tren a sarm for it's extremely high androgen recptor activity. It's the most selective steroid. At least that I know of.

At the end of the day, there all just anabolics

That's the opposite of "selective." The idea behind SARMs is that they can be anabolic without being androgenic. They're supposed to "select" muscle tissue while avoiding hair follicle tissue, vocal cord tissue, etc.

 

[Smont]

That's the opposite of "selective." The idea behind SARMs is that they can be anabolic without being androgenic. They're supposed to "select" muscle tissue while avoiding hair follicle tissue, vocal cord tissue, etc.

I can say first hand yk 11 messes with your hair, it made me stop taking it. I like my hair

 

[Smont]

I think everyone is finding that sarms are not as selective as they are said to be

 

[xR1pp3Rx]

i ran a bottle of brawn 11 oxo last year and it was kinda rough...just going by the legarthy and dark orange pee.

that's odd sounds like you got the wrong labelon somethin else !

 

[Smont]

i ran a bottle of brawn 11 oxo last year and it was kinda rough...just going by the legarthy and dark orange pee.

That don't sound right for 11 oxo.
Don't sound right at all

 

[johnny412]

That don't sound right for 11 oxo.
Don't sound right at all

I know...i was running it with brawn kamakazi fat burner and gw 501516

 

[johnny412]

That don't sound right for 11 oxo.
Don't sound right at all

from the website it says this:
Brawn 11-Andro (11-OXO) 100mg x 90 caps

 

[semtex]

i ran a bottle of brawn 11 oxo last year and it was kinda rough...just going by the legarthy and dark orange pee.

I ran cortibloc from chemix and my pee was a dark orange but they claim it was the side effect of a high dose of BioPerine.

 

[John Smeton]

450 mgs works good

 

[nostrum420]

I can say first hand yk 11 messes with your hair, it made me stop taking it. I like my hair

Yeah, SARMs are a fail for their intended purpose but for some, I guess they bring the gains. I never really played with them myself.

 

[StarScream66]

see that's where I think there is confusion.. 11KT is stronger than 11oxo, and while I do remember eating those doses I have never needed that kind of dose with TD kt. I would be interested in Nos' thoughts on the subject. I seem to remember running the 200mgs area.. its been awhile tho.

I thought 11KT and 11-OXO were the same thing?

400 seems excessive to me. I generally use 150 but as part of a stack. Maybe 300 tops if you're running it solo.

What did you run it with?

LGI 11-x goes for $49.99 to run it at 900mg for 1 month you would need close to 4 bottles.Both are very pricey and need to be dosed high. There are some that prefer 11-oxo over 11-kt.

At that price you might as well use real anabolics.

I ran cortibloc from chemix and my pee was a dark orange but they claim it was the side effect of a high dose of BioPerine.

Were you taking a lot of B vitamins at the same time? Riboflavin, in particular, is what makes your pee neon yellow when you get it in your multi or B complex. But, OTOH, a dark colored pee can indicate jaundice from liver damage. So, if that happened to me, I would stop everything and get a blood test ASAP.

 

[nostrum420]

I thought 11KT and 11-OXO were the same thing?

11-OXO is the dione prohormone to 11-KT.

 

[nostrum420]

What did you run it with?

Usually but not always a low dose of test and then whatever else I've been cutting with. Usually dien and/or something DHT-like ie Masteron, Proviron, Epiandrosterone, etc.

 

[Smont]

Yeah, SARMs are a fail for their intended purpose but for some, I guess they bring the gains. I never really played with them myself.

I gave most of them a try and went back to regular gear. From what I saw, some definitely have there place. But there not replacing anything

 

[Iwilleattuna]

The fact that it's derived from fish... All I can think is "Fish thins the skin"