Kratom strains

rascal14 said:
David Dunn , I believe he didn't use the full scoop. We were talking earlier that a full scoop was around 2g of powder, so I think he was guesstimating the amount of resin based off that.
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Great! I see that now. Yeah. A no pack slightly below level scoop is 2.8G. I do believe that would end very poorly.
 
travbedaman said:
Its supposed to lower tolerance, but after pouring through countless reddit threads its definitely more of a YMMV type scenario and not a definite guarantee.

Even dosing agmatine multiple times per day for weeks on end, did not lower my kratom tolerance one bit. Nothing except abstaining works to reduce tolerance for me.
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Would memantine be better then agmatine for tolerance?
 
rascal14 said:
David Dunn , I believe he didn't use the full scoop. We were talking earlier that a full scoop was around 2g of powder, so I think he was guesstimating the amount of resin based off that.
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This.

I can't fathom a full scoop of that stuff. Frabkly, it's effects were far removed from anything ive felt on kratom. I'll nab a cheapo digi here soon... I'll start at 100 mg and see what that's all about solo, then start mixing small amounts with leaf. Would be cool to find a middle ground, might be a whole nother experience.
 
Volvo140G said:
So I've grown to h a t e the taste/texture of kratom. I've found the reds and greens are the most difficult to ingest, while the yellow and white go down easier. Ime the greens and red provide a stronger experience as well. Maeng Da, all around, is my favorite strain. Red vein is nice and from what I can tell is identical to Maeng da, but requires a few extra grams to match the experience of the Maeng da.

I'm still toying with the white/yellow to get a strong feel for them. The fact that theyre more palatable to me is huge. Ugh... I mixed some green Indio in warm water last night and barely managed it. It does mix much better in warm water vs cold bit I struggled to down it. AND whoever mentioned applesauce... might have been my boy saywutrly, absolutely disgusting. I mixed it together and when looking at the pastey green slurry I had to choke down, I threw it away, no way I could manage that.

I hate to bitch cause I have a tough stomach and generally can chug/pound anything but this stuff does not agree with me. Gotta pay to play I suppose, it's never stopped me from ingesting the stuff...
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I've found orange juice to work really well at masking the taste of the green malay I have (green indo and red thai on the way). As someone mentioned earlier, it does seem to require something acidic to mask the taste (or at least make it palatable).
 
Volvo140G said:
Onto the Bali 20x resin.... what the %#$@?!?!

Admittedly I don't have a digital scale anymore, it miraculously grew legs when I moved 9 months ago and it hasn't surfaced yet. Knowing what I know about the yellow scoop I estimate I took 400 or 500 mg of the stuff. It dissolved immediately in water and due to my dislike of chugging kratom and water I thought I had found my pickle once and for all... so down it goes....

Within about 20 or 30 min I noticed my eye balls and mouth becoming dry. Shortly thereafter it hit me. It's overwhelming quite frankly and unlike anything ive experienced from kratom . I could feel my pupils were dilated and gazing in the mirror confirmed my suspicions. It was hard reading text and my vision lacked any sharp detail.

My motor skills were wildly out of whack and I stumbled around the house, not unlike being hammered on booze.

Fortunately it was bed time and after an hour and a half in this state I stumbled into bed and slept HARD. I awoke dry as a bone and while the physical effects had subsided (I slept for 6 hours or so) my vision was still blurry and pupils dilated until the next day.

I think David Dunn had a similar experience with this stuff. My hope, and plans for furthur experiments with this stuff, are that a very low dose, say 100 mg, may potentiate the effects of a lower dose.of kratom leaf.

Careful with this stuff, it's a whole nother animal. Do NOT drive a car, operate heavy machinery, ride a bike, provide care to a baby/child, expect to enjoy social situations, or generally do anything other than inhabit your couch or pass out - very very strong stuff!
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I posted earlier about my neighbors experience with the 20x. It completely ruined his feelings about kratom and he hallucinated so hard that we had to watch him for 4-5 hours just to keep him ok. The stuff is gnarly.
 
kisaj said:
I posted earlier about my neighbors experience with the 20x. It completely ruined his feelings about kratom and he hallucinated so hard that we had to watch him for 4-5 hours just to keep him ok. The stuff is gnarly.
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I believe I've read that... I'm not shocked a baby sitter would be needed if someone went gung-ho and high dosed the stuff unaware of its strength. Scary thought actually....
 
hazard12 said:
Thatd be my doing xD Its something ive been doing for months are it works really well to keep tolerance at a minimum and improve the effects. I suggested it to some people and they seem to like it. There is good research backing it up, especially for opiate withrawal prevention.
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Does agmatine help reduce tolerance mainly due to it being an NMDA antagonist? If so, wouldn't other NMDA antagonists (like magnesium and lithium) also work to reduce tolerance?

edit: sorry if this has already been discussed and I just don't remember or somehow glossed over it.
 
jarrellt67 said:
Does agmatine help reduce tolerance mainly due to it being an NMDA antagonist? If so, wouldn't other NMDA antagonists (like magnesium and lithium) also work to reduce tolerance?

edit: sorry if this has already been discussed and I just don't remember or somehow glossed over it.
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Yes, I believe the a2 agonism and imidazoline agonism have something to do with it as well but nmda is probably the main pathway that achieves this. Memantine is the other nmda antagonist id suggest with kratom. ive tried it and it works a little better for tolerance. I prefer agmatine for its other effects on top of nmda antagonist.
 
hazard12 said:
Yes, I believe the a2 agonism and imidazoline agonism have something to do with it as well but nmda is probably the main pathway that achieves this. Memantine is the other nmda antagonist id suggest with kratom. ive tried it and it works a little better for tolerance. I prefer agmatine for its other effects on top of nmda antagonist.
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Awesome! Thanks for the info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my many questions. :)
 
jarrellt67 said:
Awesome! Thanks for the info. Really appreciate you taking the time to answer my many questions. :)
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No problem! Be careful with memantine dosing tho...that thing has a long ass half life...I accidentally induced a semi-retarded state for a whole day by dosing too much of it (imagine the effects of ketamine anesthesia but at 30-40%...idk how the **** I drove to college and back...) I was basically drunk. Luckily I have a strong mind and lots of experience taming my mind under influences, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TESTING THIS YOURSELF. Just be careful with the memantine dosage and start low.
 
hazard12 said:
No problem! Be careful with memantine dosing tho...that thing has a long ass half life...I accidentally induced a semi-retarded state for a whole day by dosing too much of it (imagine the effects of ketamine anesthesia but at 30-40%...idk how the **** I drove to college and back...) I was basically drunk. Luckily I have a strong mind and lots of experience taming my mind under influences, I WOULD NOT RECOMMEND TESTING THIS YOURSELF. Just be careful with the memantine dosage and start low.
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Appreciate the warning. I'll probably stay clear of memantine for now. I might give magnesium another try (only tried once before bed with kratom). I have magnesium l-threonate...which is supposed to get to the brain better than other forms (not conclusive though). I've tried agmatine a few times lately and it just seems to eliminate any "feel good" effects from kratom (same thing happens if I take agmatine with coffee). I've read online that others have had the same results when combining agmatine and kratom. Results are back to what I wanted this morning when I took kratom without agmatine. So, wanted to give something else a try for tolerance. Thanks again. You're a fount of knowledge with this stuff.
 
jarrellt67 said:
Appreciate the warning. I'll probably stay clear of memantine for now. I might give magnesium another try (only tried once before bed with kratom). I have magnesium l-threonate...which is supposed to get to the brain better than other forms (not conclusive though). I've tried agmatine a few times lately and it just seems to eliminate any "feel good" effects from kratom (same thing happens if I take agmatine with coffee). I've read online that others have had the same results when combining agmatine and kratom. Results are back to what I wanted this morning when I took kratom without agmatine. So, wanted to give something else a try for tolerance. Thanks again. You're a fount of knowledge with this stuff.
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Hahaha no worries man. I am glad my kratom adventures/misadventures can be used to guide others into doing things better than I did. Kratom is amazing and I think everyone should get to experience its amazing side. So much potential as a life tool if used properly!
 
the best way to take kratom i have found now is once i weigh it out which i usually take 3.5grams of red bali(excellent for mood and pain) is to put a swig of grape juice in my mouth and then i dump the entire 3.5g in my mouth and then pour a little more juice(not much because your mouth is pretty full) and i try mixing it quickly in my mouth and then swallow it...i then down some more grape juice and voila! very little taste of kratom..as the grape juice does a wonderful job of masking it...i have tried orange juice which does take away the taste however it causes the mixture to become very thick and almost like batter ...GRAPE JUICE my friends
 
Some of you are making this way too complicated. Put it in oj or grapefruit juice, swig, and be done.
 
Or better and easier yet. Pool water in your mouth, pour scoop in pooled water, swallow, chase with lots of water. Done. The taste? You won't die. Between this and the taste of SERMs you'd think this was a girls high school cheerleader forum (sorry, just pulled that out my ass as my daughter is one and omg...) :D
 
I personally had to start capping it myself
. I would gag on the taste and end up spitting it back up.
It's kind of a pain to cap it but it makes transporting it easier.
 
Has anyone tried mixing their kratom with a scoop of xtend lemon lime or green apple? I swear by it...I sip on my kratom....
 
Alright, so I'm planning on using some kratom today for a little get-together with some friends. I already know I like 5-6g Green Indo, I think more than 4g Green Indo + 1g Maeng Da. I don't have all that much Green Indo left, and would like to save some of it for other times (before ordering more; it's awesome stuff), but I'm thinking of trying the Bali that I haven't opened yet. I've read that some people like stacking the Bali with the Maeng Da, and also that the Bali can be a bit more relaxing/sedating than the Indo, so I'm wondering if it'd make sense to take some of the Maeng Da with it to help give a bit more energy, even though I haven't used the Bali before. Any recommendations for today?
 
Give it a shot. Itll be a new experience and I think youll like it one way or another.
 
yelis300 said:
How much do you take per day and how long have you stopped for?
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Last time I was taking 10-14g a day for about two weeks. I stopped cold turkey and haven't used any for a couple weeks.

I buy a couple ounces and use it up and then stop for a few weeks.
 
Gotta be real careful with Kratom. Even someone that's not an addict can quickly become one. Kratom is quite powerful and a lot of people don't understand what it can do if you're not careful with it.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Sorry if you already answered this, but what would you say would be good or the best for improving sociability, making someone more talkative, etc?
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Yellow. Vietnam .
 
kisaj said:
Some of you are making this way too complicated. Put it in oj or grapefruit juice, swig, and be done.
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All you need is about 4oz.of oj or whatever you prefer. The least amount of juice the better.
 
A good day time combo to try is 2 maeng da /1 yellow Vietnam
2maeng da/2 YELLOW VIETNAM. Excellent day time combo. Especially when you are in a social atmosphere.
 
As for PR 20X BALI RESIN. It is very strong. You do not need much i would start of with only 200mg of RESIN w/ 2 -3 scoops of your favorite strain!
Its like being supercharged!
 
yelis300 said:
So how many of you have had the Kratom withdrawals yet when you run out? You all know it's an opioid right?
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I have....but it is a trade off. I also was addicted to opiates on and off for 3 years, eventually taking 120mgs of Oxy per day. Kratom takes those cravings away. The withdrawals of Kratom are pretty minor compared to detoxing off Oxy or even Hydrocodone.
 
I have always wondered this, as an addict, do you even get high anymore, or do you just have to take the drug to feel "normal".

Because when I was on Percocet after surgery, I was taking up to 30mg a night and not really noticing anything anymore. I never got withdrawals from that either, though.
 
Being high is your new normal so it's both. I know several addicts and they are always high, but it's sometimes hard to tell because they've recalibrated to that being normal and they are functional.
 
plang1234 said:
I have....but it is a trade off. I also was addicted to opiates on and off for 3 years, eventually taking 120mgs of Oxy per day. Kratom takes those cravings away. The withdrawals of Kratom are pretty minor compared to detoxing off Oxy or even Hydrocodone.
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It's not mild to someone that hasn't been on other things. I know that many addicts have stopped using their DOC (drug of choice) and now use Kratom and that's great. But it should only be used as a stepping stone to come off completely. If you're using Kratom, you're still on drugs!
 
yelis300 said:
It's not mild to someone that hasn't been on other things. I know that many addicts have stopped using their DOC (drug of choice) and now use Kratom and that's great. But it should only be used as a stepping stone to come off completely. If you're using Kratom, you're still on drugs!
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Lol at the "you are still on drugs" comment...HAVE YOU LOOKED AROUND?? DOING DRUGS IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. You do drugs whenever you take your PW, whenever you pin test or whenever you drop clenbuterol...Society has put these drugs in different categories based on very little scientific information. You and every other sheep out there like to regurgitate BS and think you are helping. YES, KRATOM SHOULD BE APPROACHED WITH CARE...as does EVERY OTHER DRUG IN THIS FORUM.... Welcome to America...the land of the junkies...now deal with it because you probably are one too, you just havent accepted it yet.
 
hazard12 said:
Lol at the "you are still on drugs" comment...HAVE YOU LOOKED AROUND?? DOING DRUGS IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. You do drugs whenever you take your PW, whenever you pin test or whenever you drop clenbuterol...Society has put these drugs in different categories based on very little scientific information. You and every other sheep out there like to regurgitate BS and think you are helping. YES, KRATOM SHOULD BE APPROACHED WITH CARE...as does EVERY OTHER DRUG IN THIS FORUM.... Welcome to America...the land of the junkies...now deal with it because you probably are one too, you just havent accepted it yet.
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Don't forget cigarettes and alcohol. I agree, approach kratom with the caution and respect it deserves, but society does seem to put a stigma on certain "drugs" while having no real problem with others, and this often doesn't have very much to do with their addictive potential or potential for harm, etc.
 
Exactly, im about tired of people being condescending or acting like they have the high moral ground because they use different drugs...**** we are all MADE of drugs...every human society that ever existed used drugs, ****ING ANIMALS GET HIGH DID YOU KNOW THAT? Dolphins pass puffer fish around, a species of lemur chews on a poisonous centipede to get high and the list goes on and on. Getting high is as basic animal need/stimulation as eating or socializing. Brains are amazing tools and you are...dumber than an animal if you think the way to go is to deprive yourself of playing with that brain and all the states of mind it can achieve. Am I saying go out and do all the drugs? NO. Im saying treat them all for what they are....not toys...not stigmas...TOOLS. Are you gonna go around telling every idiot with a hammer, YO DONT HIT YOUR THUMB MAN...Hammers can do that! Yeah....no **** sherlock. If you wanna tell something useful to people is DO RESEARCH, have you learned how to use that yet? Are you taking the necessary precautions? Yes? **** YEAH MAN.. We all need a little bit less judging and a little more supporting.

Now I will agree that some drugs are harder to control, yes. Thats why if thats the case for you, you should probably find a milder version. Clearly most people cant handle heroine or even prescription pain killers, but kratom is not even in the same level of addiciton and provides with similar medicinal properties for those who need it (like me, chronic pain sufferer) and a great afternoon for those who just wanna enjoy it (much like alcohol...but guess what...the hangover is 10 TIMES EASIER), its more like coffee than true opiates, not even alcohol. Now what happens if you take about 10 cups of coffe or about 5-6 drinks every day for a month...Not gonna be fun stopping huh? Yeah kratom would be closer to what stopping coffee at that point might feel like. Alcohol? Nope...you are gonna feel worse after stopping that habit. But hey...as long as you are not "DOING DRUGS MAN"
 
hazard12 said:
Lol at the "you are still on drugs" comment...HAVE YOU LOOKED AROUND?? DOING DRUGS IS WHAT THIS FORUM IS FOR. You do drugs whenever you take your PW, whenever you pin test or whenever you drop clenbuterol...Society has put these drugs in different categories based on very little scientific information. You and every other sheep out there like to regurgitate BS and think you are helping. YES, KRATOM SHOULD BE APPROACHED WITH CARE...as does EVERY OTHER DRUG IN THIS FORUM.... Welcome to America...the land of the junkies...now deal with it because you probably are one too, you just havent accepted it yet.
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HAHAHA you worried your Kratom is gonna get taken away?
 
yelis300 said:
HAHAHA you worried your Kratom is gonna get taken away?
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Thats the worst comeback ive ever read...Where did you learn to make fun of people?

At no point did I even mention having it taken away...my argument is directed at people's attitudes not government regulatory entities..
 
hazard12 said:
Thats the worst comeback ive ever read...Where did you learn to make fun of people?

At no point did I even mention having it taken away...my argument is directed at people's attitudes not government regulatory entities..
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Why would I try to make fun of you, I don't care about you enough to make fun of you. Just telling people that are unaware, to be careful with Kratom. Keep getting mad though, it's fun watching lol
 
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