muscleupcrohn
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This.
I've found that the shape of the scoop can influence how much it'll hold with a level scoop, even if they're both the same cc.
Kratom strains
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jarrellt67
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Thanks guys. Appreciate the info. Looks like my initial information was more accurate. Guess I'm just hyper-sensitive to the stuff (kind of like how I can take 250 mg of phenibut and be knocked out within an hour).
hazard12
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HAHAHAH told ya man, that **** is no joke. Extracts should be approached with a lot of care and respect. Otherwise you can turn into a junkie reaaaaal quick.
Volvo140G
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It's like a whole new thing imo, wasn't like the leaf at all. I'll share a review when I get a moment...
jarrellt67
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Off topic question...has anyone tried the CBD oil offered by MHK?
hazard12
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Nahhh, Im a huge CBD fan tho (I hunt for high CBD strains like a Hound). I dont know how I feel about these caps tho. I do think CBD requires a minimum of THC to have its full potential. Plus id feel weird about dosing CBD with capsules...If someone comments with some glowing reviews I might consider it though.
ELROCK
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Yes, I measured it at slightly less then 2.5 grams (2.2-2.3 grams) at one level scoop with the MHK yellow scooper.
jarrellt67
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Okay, looks like 1/2 tsp is too low as my anxiety has ramped up big-time this afternoon (hands shaking and bad stutter during the last couple meetings...complete opposite of the effects from the higher dose yesterday). Had to take 10 mg of lithium just to calm down. I think the info about lower doses being more stimulating (or at least, not even remotely calming at such a low dose) is very accurate. Going back to 1 tsp doses (or roughly 2 grams) from now on. That seems to be the best mix. Also wishing I'd added the red vein to my last order.
hazard12
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For anxiety try adding agmatine to any red strain. 3g of red vein +1g agmatine = Functional relaxed mode.
jarrellt67
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Sounds good. I'll give it a try in the future. Might try agmatine again with the green malay tonight or tomorrow. I tried 2 capsules of magnesium l-threonate with 2 grams of green malay last night and ended up sleeping only about 2 hours. Body felt very tired and relaxed but my mind just wouldn't shut off. So, that test was a failure. I also might try taking kratom at the same time as my lithium orotate. I'm beginning to notice that my reaction to supplements/nootropics are more in line with others reactions (instead of greatly exaggerated) when I'm consistently taking my lithium each day.
jarrellt67
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Yeah, by itself lithium calms me down (especially with regard to stuttering and blushing in social situations) and slightly improves my mood. However, when taken with other supplements it seems to reduce my negative reactions (mainly increased anxiety) while still keeping most of their positive effects. I just wanted to try kratom alone first before combining them. So far, I think 2 or 3 grams of green malay is great and worth keeping in the rotation but I'll definitely try red vein and probably the cbd capsules in the near future. It would be nice to have something I can rotate the lithium orotate with.
hazard12
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From what you are describing it sounds like you have an overactive fight or flight response. Have you had your cortisol levels checked out? Ive had really intense freak out responses as in "OH ****" moments that were really intense for no reason. It wasnt until recently that I started taking Invictus that I realized it was because of high cortisol. Its been 4 days since I started and I no longer respond that way to stress...It went from "OH **** OMFG" to "Damn, alright lets fix it"...in my books thats a life changer.
jarrellt67
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No (haven't been to the doctor in almost 2 years) but pretty sure it's not cortisol related as any supplement I've tried that reduces cortisol (rhodiola, ashwagandha, etc.) end up making me too sluggish to move, irritable, etc. after a couple weeks of use. Besides, I've noticed the last few weeks other mental benefits to lithium (that I don't feel comfortable expanding on here) when used in higher doses. Just trying to find something to stack with it (or rotate with it) to provide a little more mood and anxiety benefits (without making me a mental and physical zombie like phenibut and other gaba related supplements do).
hazard12
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Ahhh gotcha. Yeah then kratom is probably a good fit for you. CBD is probably right up your alley. Try finding some high cdb strains if you are into bud, otherwise pure CBD extracts and perhaps these capsules will do you good.
jarrellt67
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Definitely. I've only used it a few times but already realize it's probably a good fit for me (the mental clarity and mood improvement when taking around 2 grams was one of the best effects I've ever noticed from a supplement). I just need to further refine the best dose and veins. Added benefit is that it should help with my sciatica.
Definitely going to try CBD sometime. My wife and I watched a special on tv about it a few months ago and have been interested ever since.
hazard12
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Oh btw, have you tried taking something for cortisol and using an upper? I get the lethargy in the mornings you speak of but I was used to it from a long period of kratom use (daily use will make u groggy in the mornings from slight withrawal) So I kinda looked at it as something I could address. I take a serving of Radiate ( a thermogenic) and a 3g dose of kratom in the morning and the low cortisol lethargy turns into calm, focused, energized mode. I personally LOVE IT
jarrellt67
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Yes. If the upper has more than 60-80 mg caffeine (or even worse, something like yohimbe), then every cortisol supplement I tried wasn't enough to stop the heart palpitations, sweating, stuttering and rage. I remember once trying half a small scoop of alphamine (old formula) when I was taking 500 mg/day of sensoril ashwagandha and I still managed to have a manic-like reaction. Had to leave work early to make sure I didn't do anything stupid and get fired. That experience, and many others, to stronger stimulants has convinced me to stay away from them for good.
That experience, and many others, to stronger stimulants has convinced me to stay away from them for good.
ELROCK
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muscleupcrohn
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Ok guys, so I'm going to a little get-together, I wouldn't quite call it a party, with some friends tonight, and I'm planning on taking some kratom. I have Green Indo and Maeng Da open, and whatever I take will be with 1g agmatine. I've already used 3g Green Indo (subtle but not bad), and 5-6g Green Indo (very nice; good euphoria and increased socialization), and 3g Maeng Da (probably not used in the right context/setting; I noticed increased energy more than anything). Should I just stick to 5-6g Green Indo, or should I combine the two? Perhaps a 2:1 or 1:1 ratio of Green Indo to Maeng Da? What should the total dose be? Start at 3g total again (2g & 1g or 1.5g & 1.5g), or do 3g Green Indo and 1.5g Maeng Da?
muscleupcrohn
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Thanks, sounds good.
muscleupcrohn
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Alright, 4g Green Indo + 1g Maeng Da + 1g Agmatine down. It seems that the kratom mixes much better (less clumping, smoother, etc) in warm water; I mixed the above in ~2-3oz of warm water (from the kitchen sink on hot; hot enough that my glasses steamed up a bit when I was drinking it, but not too hot, if that makes any sense) and mixed it for a few seconds with a spoon, and there was no clumping, just a green colored liquid. I still had to add another oz or two to get the remaining stuff on the sides of the glass, but it was very tolerable.
hazard12
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Oh ****, i forgot to tell you all. You can brew kratom for a smoother effect. Im about to hit the gym so I cant elaborate but basically if you brew some kratom in boiling water for 20 min ish and filter out the plant matter, you can push the dosage higher with less side effects and more euphoria. It also hits quicker. Give it a shot! I rarely do this since I dont push dosages that often anymore and its more convenient to mix it in with my BCAAs for a daily basis but for "experiences" its LEGIT. If you have any questions ill be back shortly.
muscleupcrohn
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Sounds interesting, thanks for the heads up. Perhaps that'll be for some special occasions.
ELROCK
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Maybe I will try that with some old kratom leaf I still have laying around.
rascal14
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Let us know how it goes. I got some Agmatine in and I am going to start taking that a daily and I'll wait a couple weeks to order more Kratom and hopefully my tolerance will be down some. Then I am going to practice some amazing will power and only take it a maximum of three times a week. I usually drink at least once a week, so that will be easy to not take Kratom that night.
I may pick up some herbal tea to try on nights that I don't take it, so I can at least get some placebo effect of relaxation. Just the act of drinking the tea will stop my wanting to take the Kratom I have a bit, I think. There were a couple I was looking at, but I'm not sure how I feel about them. A couple contained St. Johns Wort and I have never had it and I'm not sure I want to take it.
jarrellt67
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Which of these from MHK is more relaxing (to help with anxiety) - Private Reserve Green Indo, Private Reserve Bali or Red Vein Thai? The Green Malay has been feeling a little too "stimi" lately. However, I'm only taking 2 grams, so maybe a higher dose would be better. Either way, I was planning on ordering one or two of the three aforementioned veins (along with CBD oil) from MHK today and want to make sure I don't get something that's a little too stimulating.
hazard12
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Either bali or red should do the trick. If you are feeling reaaaally anxious, try dosing about 6g with some food and 1g agmatine. I say food because large doses of kratom can feel really weird when you have low blood sugar. You could for example, grab a gatorade bottle and add kratom and agmatine and shake it up. Drink that **** and tell me if you still feel anxious
jarrellt67
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Either bali or red should do the trick. If you are feeling reaaaally anxious, try dosing about 6g with some food and 1g agmatine. I say food because large doses of kratom can feel really weird when you have low blood sugar. You could for example, grab a gatorade bottle and add kratom and agmatine and shake it up. Drink that **** and tell me if you still feel anxious
Great! Thanks. I'll go with red thai first. How long do the effects typically last (shorter or longer than greens)?
hazard12
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As someone who has used both extensively, Kratom is very different from pharma opioids. Yes kratom hits the MU, but guess what it also does...it BLOCKS IT and hits the delta receptor and possibly the kappa...Kratom is composed of over 20 ACTIVE alkaloids of which only 2 hit the mu receptor. This makes it into a VERY different beast. Both in pharmacology and in feel. Yes, you should approach with care but DO NOT bunch kratom with pharma opioids...One will make you a lifeless zombie too scared to find a way out of your **** hole and unmotivated, the other one allows you to get your life back on track from an injury/depression and even an opioid addiction. Kratom withrawal is a walk in the park compared to the real deal, besides it climbs MUCH slower and unless you are devoid of intuition, you should be able to realize when to dial back, which BTW is much easier than dialing back on pharma opioids.
hazard12
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Agreed. I just get a little ticked off when people make the comparison. Even though they share common pathways, the way in which they affect your life is almost completely the opposite as long as you have a plan other than "Im just trynna get ****ed up". If thats your attitude then yeah...be prepared for a mild opioid hellride.
hazard12
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Thatd be my doing xD Its something ive been doing for months are it works really well to keep tolerance at a minimum and improve the effects. I suggested it to some people and they seem to like it. There is good research backing it up, especially for opiate withrawal prevention.
jarrellt67
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Okay, just ordered some green indo kratom, red thai kratom and cbd capsules. I'm really excited about trying the cbd capsules as I've read it works really well as a mood stabilizer...not so much an improvement in mood, just tends to stabilize. I'm curious to see if works just as well, or better, than the lithium I currently take. Unfortunately, due to the high cost, I'm just going to stick to around 10 mg daily (which based on information I found online is within the normal starting range of 5-15 mg). Anything much higher just won't be sustainable long-term.
travbedaman
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Its supposed to lower tolerance, but after pouring through countless reddit threads its definitely more of a YMMV type scenario and not a definite guarantee.
Even dosing agmatine multiple times per day for weeks on end, did not lower my kratom tolerance one bit. Nothing except abstaining works to reduce tolerance for me.
ELROCK
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It may help potentiate opioids and may help with tolerance of kratom. I am not sure if it truly works, but subjectively it seem mildly helpful in both areas for me. I take it (650mg) 30-45 mins before kratom when I remember too. I enjoy agmatime anyway so there is really no harm no foul in it for me.
muscleupcrohn
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This. Agmatine is cheap enough, safe, and has some nice benefits of its own, so it's a good addition anyway IMO.
Volvo140G
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So I've grown to h a t e the taste/texture of kratom. I've found the reds and greens are the most difficult to ingest, while the yellow and white go down easier. Ime the greens and red provide a stronger experience as well. Maeng Da, all around, is my favorite strain. Red vein is nice and from what I can tell is identical to Maeng da, but requires a few extra grams to match the experience of the Maeng da.
I'm still toying with the white/yellow to get a strong feel for them. The fact that theyre more palatable to me is huge. Ugh... I mixed some green Indio in warm water last night and barely managed it. It does mix much better in warm water vs cold bit I struggled to down it. AND whoever mentioned applesauce... might have been my boy saywutrly, absolutely disgusting. I mixed it together and when looking at the pastey green slurry I had to choke down, I threw it away, no way I could manage that.
I hate to bitch cause I have a tough stomach and generally can chug/pound anything but this stuff does not agree with me. Gotta pay to play I suppose, it's never stopped me from ingesting the stuff...
I'm still toying with the white/yellow to get a strong feel for them. The fact that theyre more palatable to me is huge. Ugh... I mixed some green Indio in warm water last night and barely managed it. It does mix much better in warm water vs cold bit I struggled to down it. AND whoever mentioned applesauce... might have been my boy saywutrly, absolutely disgusting. I mixed it together and when looking at the pastey green slurry I had to choke down, I threw it away, no way I could manage that.
I hate to bitch cause I have a tough stomach and generally can chug/pound anything but this stuff does not agree with me. Gotta pay to play I suppose, it's never stopped me from ingesting the stuff...
Volvo140G
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Onto the Bali 20x resin.... what the %#$@?!?!
Admittedly I don't have a digital scale anymore, it miraculously grew legs when I moved 9 months ago and it hasn't surfaced yet. Knowing what I know about the yellow scoop I estimate I took 400 or 500 mg of the stuff. It dissolved immediately in water and due to my dislike of chugging kratom and water I thought I had found my pickle once and for all... so down it goes....
Within about 20 or 30 min I noticed my eye balls and mouth becoming dry. Shortly thereafter it hit me. It's overwhelming quite frankly and unlike anything ive experienced from kratom . I could feel my pupils were dilated and gazing in the mirror confirmed my suspicions. It was hard reading text and my vision lacked any sharp detail.
My motor skills were wildly out of whack and I stumbled around the house, not unlike being hammered on booze.
Fortunately it was bed time and after an hour and a half in this state I stumbled into bed and slept HARD. I awoke dry as a bone and while the physical effects had subsided (I slept for 6 hours or so) my vision was still blurry and pupils dilated until the next day.
I think David Dunn had a similar experience with this stuff. My hope, and plans for furthur experiments with this stuff, are that a very low dose, say 100 mg, may potentiate the effects of a lower dose.of kratom leaf.
Careful with this stuff, it's a whole nother animal. Do NOT drive a car, operate heavy machinery, ride a bike, provide care to a baby/child, expect to enjoy social situations, or generally do anything other than inhabit your couch or pass out - very very strong stuff!
Admittedly I don't have a digital scale anymore, it miraculously grew legs when I moved 9 months ago and it hasn't surfaced yet. Knowing what I know about the yellow scoop I estimate I took 400 or 500 mg of the stuff. It dissolved immediately in water and due to my dislike of chugging kratom and water I thought I had found my pickle once and for all... so down it goes....
Within about 20 or 30 min I noticed my eye balls and mouth becoming dry. Shortly thereafter it hit me. It's overwhelming quite frankly and unlike anything ive experienced from kratom . I could feel my pupils were dilated and gazing in the mirror confirmed my suspicions. It was hard reading text and my vision lacked any sharp detail.
My motor skills were wildly out of whack and I stumbled around the house, not unlike being hammered on booze.
Fortunately it was bed time and after an hour and a half in this state I stumbled into bed and slept HARD. I awoke dry as a bone and while the physical effects had subsided (I slept for 6 hours or so) my vision was still blurry and pupils dilated until the next day.
I think David Dunn had a similar experience with this stuff. My hope, and plans for furthur experiments with this stuff, are that a very low dose, say 100 mg, may potentiate the effects of a lower dose.of kratom leaf.
Careful with this stuff, it's a whole nother animal. Do NOT drive a car, operate heavy machinery, ride a bike, provide care to a baby/child, expect to enjoy social situations, or generally do anything other than inhabit your couch or pass out - very very strong stuff!
hazard12
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Yup that sounds about right. Extracts are for recreational purposes strictly.
B5150
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If you used that yellow scoop you used WAY too much. 300mg is plenty enough to pop my pupils, dry my mouth, dehydrate if I'm not careful and knock me the "F" out. Next day it does linger quite a bit. Dilated pupils and bloodshot eyes.
You my friend used probably 3 or 4 or more times that if you used the scoop.
I'm not at home but I have a scale and a scoop and the resin. I'll let you know how much you overdid it when I get home.
Yes! Be careful. It is not a good outside and have fun recreational product. It's keep the remote close, find a nature show marathon on TV and find a spot your comfortable in waking up 6-8 hrs later.
rascal14
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David Dunn , I believe he didn't use the full scoop. We were talking earlier that a full scoop was around 2g of powder, so I think he was guesstimating the amount of resin based off that.