Kratom strains

I definitely get the numbness as well. Do you guys notice libido loss into the next day, or just when dosing it? I have noticed a lower sex drive the past couple weeks, I can't remember if it started before or after this round of Kratom use. I just assumed it was high e2 since I was looking bloated and my nips were really sensitive. I just started Virtus today to see if it helps.
 
Based on what I am hearing, it is the kratom. My friend's wife is very annoyed that he likes kratom so much because she said their sex life is non-existent since he started taking it.

Really rethinking this to maybe have as needed during very stressful times.
 
kisaj said:
Based on what I am hearing, it is the kratom. My friend's wife is very annoyed that he likes kratom so much because she said their sex life is non-existent since he started taking it.

Really rethinking this to maybe have as needed during very stressful times.
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Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye on this, and it may be something that's worth noting, especially for people who plan on using it before going out, especially on dates, etc. I don't really plan on using it more than 1-2x per week max though anyway.
 
kisaj said:
Based on what I am hearing, it is the kratom. My friend's wife is very annoyed that he likes kratom so much because she said their sex life is non-existent since he started taking it.

Really rethinking this to maybe have as needed during very stressful times.
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Yeah I never really noticed it until the past couple days. It's a shame because there's nothing I've found that can make me relax and boost my mood like Kratom does.

I never noticed a dip in sex drive previously with it, but up until now I really only used it for about a week at a time then took a break. It's been nearly two weeks of everyday dosing for me today, I'm almost out so I'll just finish it off today or tomorrow probably, then hold off for getting some more and possibly look into a few other things.
 
The sex thing is real and it comes down to your endorphin system. It is emotionally speaking, what motivates you to get laid (physically speaking theres test and other variables). When your body is basically GOOD on endorphins, your desire to obtain more through sex is lowered on top of a numbness that takes away any lingering thoughts...I ONLY recommend daily dosing to people WHO NEED IT. If you are not in chronic or acute pain, it is not a good idea to dose daily...its just not worth it. I LOVE kratom and it has been a godsend this past year but just as I LOVE test, I wont be cruising on test all day errday unless I need TRT, catch what i mean?

Treat it like any other drug, it has its downsides, it has its benefits and it has its ways of using it responsibly to maximize gains and minimize side effects/negative outcomes. Just do your reading, play with dosages and strains and find what works for you. Then respect that and be aware of what will happen when you dose it.

I had the same issues you guys are talking about until, after months of usage, I found my own equilibrium and kratom has been nothing but amazing ever since.
 
rascal14 said:
Yeah I never really noticed it until the past couple days. It's a shame because there's nothing I've found that can make me relax and boost my mood like Kratom does.

I never noticed a dip in sex drive previously with it, but up until now I really only used it for about a week at a time then took a break. It's been nearly two weeks of everyday dosing for me today, I'm almost out so I'll just finish it off today or tomorrow probably, then hold off for getting some more and possibly look into a few other things.
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Rascal, I recommend you taper down. I dont know if you have dosed this much or this long before but there is a distinct withdrawal effect that appears about 8h after your last dose and will keep getting worse until the 24h mark. From that point on it gets much easier and depending on your usage this might not even be a problem. However, from my experience, the best way to stop using kratom SMOOTHLY is to take my last dose before a workout and push myself to the limit. CRANK THEM ENDORPHINS OUT. Get a HIIT session at the end of your workout and then stop. See how you feel the next day, if the morning is a bit rough dose half your usual amount and next time it becomes an issue dose half that amount and so on until you are good to go.
 
hazard12 said:
Rascal, I recommend you taper down. I dont know if you have dosed this much or this long before but there is a distinct withdrawal effect that appears about 8h after your last dose and will keep getting worse until the 24h mark. From that point on it gets much easier and depending on your usage this might not even be a problem. However, from my experience, the best way to stop using kratom SMOOTHLY is to take my last dose before a workout and push myself to the limit. CRANK THEM ENDORPHINS OUT. Get a HIIT session at the end of your workout and then stop. See how you feel the next day, if the morning is a bit rough dose half your usual amount and next time it becomes an issue dose half that amount and so on until you are good to go.
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What do you mean? I have gone this long before, I've taken a day off once or twice in the past couple weeks. I just buy a few ounces and use it nightly until I run out, stop cold turkey, and don't buy anymore for a few weeks or months, just depends on what I have going on at the time. it's been a while since I've gone this long continuously, but I have before. I've never noticed withdrawal or anything.

After surgery I was taking 20-30mg percocet nightly for nearly a month before I ran out. They gave me 100 instead of the 60 I was prescribed, so I figured I might as well take them. I was stuck on the couch and couldn't very productive anyways, I stopped when I ran out and had no issues with withdrawal or craving any more.
 
Wow! Good on you man, you probably have a very healthy endorphin tone. I guess my advice goes to other people then. If you can quit cold turkey without any trouble then go for it. I just know from personal experience and a couple of friends who, after dosing in the 20-30g range for a while, it can be tough sometimes. Some of my friends even relapsed cause they didnt think of tapering..I had to knock some sense into them. Tapering kratom isnt hard or expensive so if you need to do it, then you should do it. You on the other hand are just lucky hahaha
 
Agmatine prevents tolerance, adds a layer of mellow and works great combined as a PW in my experience. Additionally, there are plenty of studies with agmatine and opiates and this is such a case. IMO its just smart to dose agmatine with your kratom, no downside, only upsides.
 
hazard12 said:
Agmatine prevents tolerance, adds a layer of mellow and works great combined as a PW in my experience. Additionally, there are plenty of studies with agmatine and opiates and this is such a case. IMO its just smart to dose agmatine with your kratom, no downside, only upsides.
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Those studies were why I asked about it earlier, I just didn't know exactly what to expect. Should dosing remain the same, or be lowered? I used 3g last time, and was thinking of using 5-6g this time. Does adding agatine change how I should dose it?
 
Agmatine doesnt change how you should dose acutely. It will only serve as a buffer for future tolerance. I dont think agmatine will change your dose at all for now. You might see changes in the future tho. Just expect it to be a little more smooth and if you use them for PW, great endurance and pumps.
 
hazard12 said:
Agmatine doesnt change how you should dose acutely. It will only serve as a buffer for future tolerance. I dont think agmatine will change your dose at all for now. You might see changes in the future tho. Just expect it to be a little more smooth and if you use them for PW, great endurance and pumps.
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Awesome, sounds good. How long before I want to feel it should I take it, about an hour or so? Sorry for asking so many basic questions, haha.
 
Nah its all good man, I ask questions like crazy on this forum....this is why forums like these are a thing right? If we all knew everything wed be gods and the gains would come on their own......Im just glad I can use the knowledge I have to pay back for all the info I get. ANYWAYS, us humans should dose kratom and agmatine about 30 min before you want to feel the effects IF you are on an empty stomach. If you are taking it after eating or during, you wanna dose 1hr before and slightly more (about 20-30% more in most cases).
 
Do you take the Agmatine at the same time? How does bulk Agmatine taste? Or do you guys just buy it capped?
 
rascal14 said:
Do you take the Agmatine at the same time? How does bulk Agmatine taste? Or do you guys just buy it capped?
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I just did, so I hope so, haha.

Agmatine powder doesn't taste "good," but it's really not that bad at all. I mixed 5g Green Indo with 1g agmatine in 2oz water and just took it like a shot, but had to add another 1-2oz, swish it around a bit, and then take another "shot." It really wasn't all that bad, and I don't think the agmatine really changed the taste of the kratom, which tastes pretty bad.
 
rascal14 said:
Do you take the Agmatine at the same time? How does bulk Agmatine taste? Or do you guys just buy it capped?
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I just add it to my shake. I mix Xtend BCAAs, agmatine bulk, kratom, taurine and greens. Tastes decent
 
Thats where I got mine. Agmatine is relatively cheap, I doubt people are out there faking this stuff haha
 
Ok, today's kratom report:

5g (4.9g technically) of Green Indo with 1g agmatine at 6:30 PM

Got to the bible study at about 7, and noticed that I had a pretty noticeable eurphoric feeling on the way there, and was very talkative and socially energetic when I got there and talked to people; it wasn't just that I was comfortable talking around people, which I usually am in this setting anyway, but I felt like I really wanted to talk and socialize, and I was more enthusiastic than normal greeting people. As a bit of a side note, a bunch of us from the Church went to the beach on Sunday, and I carried a girl who was in a wheelchair back from the beach to the ramp and she thanked me again today, and I was just very social and enthusiastic to her, and later a friend of mine asked if there was something going on between us, partially because he didn't know what she was thanking me for, and probably also because I was more social and laughed a bit more that I normally would. I also think that things and people seemed more aesthetically pleasing, although I suppose that could just be part of the general euphoric feeling; I just found myself looking at random people and their features for some reason, haha. That was until about 8:30, then we went out to eat until around 10:30, and I still felt pretty social and relaxed, and may have joked around just a little bit more than normal, but nothing too out of the ordinary. The waitress there has my order memorized (double order of tacos with blackened chicken and rice with no cheese), and we laughed about it a little; she said it's kind of a strange order and I laughed and said I guess it is, and she laughed and said it's good that I can admit it, and then she took off her jacket and apologized, saying saying it just got hot. Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, or perhaps I was being oblivious, but I'm just trying to give as accurate and detailed of a report as possible, and a friend of mine (a guy) did comment on how big my triceps looked in my shirt, haha. Now it's about 11:00 and I've written out this whole description, so I suppose I can't be too tired or lethargic, although I do feel like I could definitely go to sleep right now, but I should really do some late-night studying. Definitely a good experience, much more pronounced than the 3g the first time, but still very controlled (I felt/feel completely aware and fully functional and alert).
 
Nice, I get what you're saying about the people looking more aesthetically pleasing. I usually get way more affectionate when I take Kratom.

I may stop by a GNC or something tomorrow to try some Agmatine with my last couple of doses and see how that affects it.

Side note on Agmatine, what's your guys dosing schedule like for that? I'm looking for overall health and anxiety help. The increases pump is just a bonus on top of other pre workouts.
 
I take 1g in the morning with my morning kratom shake and coffe, 1g with my work kratom shake at lunch and 1g with my kratom preworkout (these are all 2-3g kratom doses)
 
rascal14 said:
Nice, I get what you're saying about the people looking more aesthetically pleasing. I usually get way more affectionate when I take Kratom.

I may stop by a GNC or something tomorrow to try some Agmatine with my last couple of doses and see how that affects it.

Side note on Agmatine, what's your guys dosing schedule like for that? I'm looking for overall health and anxiety help. The increases pump is just a bonus on top of other pre workouts.
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Don't go to GNC to buy agmatine unless their is a heavy sale on it. Powder city has cheap powdered agmatine. SNS agmatime is well priced also. Swanson has capped agmatine that's reasonable for capped.

Agmatine doesn't taste bad so you can go with powdered and save some money.
 
ELROCK said:
Don't go to GNC to buy agmatine unless their is a heavy sale on it. Powder city has cheap powdered agmatine. SNS agmatime is well priced also. Swanson has capped agmatine that's reasonable for capped.

Agmatine doesn't taste bad so you can go with powdered and save some money.
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There's actually a couple other health stores I'll go by first. I haven't done this in a while, but I used to go buy pre workout or something at GNC and use it for a few days until my order came in, then go back to GNC and say it made me sick and return it. Lol
 
hazard12 said:
Agmatine prevents tolerance, adds a layer of mellow and works great combined as a PW in my experience. Additionally, there are plenty of studies with agmatine and opiates and this is such a case. IMO its just smart to dose agmatine with your kratom, no downside, only upsides.
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Any idea if agmatine would work with an opioid like tianeptine too?
 
jarrellt67 said:
Any idea if agmatine would work with an opioid like tianeptine too?
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Be careful with tianeptine man. As someone who has used just about every opiate in the book for my chronic pain, I did not like it. Tolerance builds up immediately, it has other effects besides opiate receptor binding and honestly why bother when theres kratom...If for some reason you must use it, then go ahead, its not gonna kill you or anything, just beware of increasing dosages, it wont end well.
 
hazard12 said:
Be careful with tianeptine man. As someone who has used just about every opiate in the book for my chronic pain, I did not like it. Tolerance builds up immediately, it has other effects besides opiate receptor binding and honestly why bother when theres kratom...If for some reason you must use it, then go ahead, its not gonna kill you or anything, just beware of increasing dosages, it wont end well.
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Thanks. Appreciate the warning. However, increasing dosage isn't really a concern. Last time I tried it anything over 50 mg caused extreme nausea (I took the sulfate version). I was just curious as I recently started taking agmatine to help with sleep (worth a try at only $0.10/gram for agmapure).

What strain (and dose) of kratom do you recommend if wanting a more relaxing effect...for daytime use though, so it can't be too calming that I fall asleep at work. :)

edit: a strain that helps with pain would also be beneficial due to mild sciatica.
 
jarrellt67 said:
Thanks. Appreciate the warning. However, increasing dosage isn't really a concern. Last time I tried it anything over 50 mg caused extreme nausea (I took the sulfate version). I was just curious as I recently started taking agmatine to help with sleep (worth a try at only $0.10/gram for agmapure).

What strain (and dose) of kratom do you recommend if wanting a more relaxing effect...for daytime use though, so it can't be too calming that I fall asleep at work. :)

edit: a strain that helps with pain would also be beneficial due to mild sciatica.
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PMd
 
Anyone know if kratom will show up on a standard drug test (job has random tests due to one of our clients requiring it)?
 
Green Vein Malay from Mile High was delivered today and looking forward to trying it later. Has anyone used this vein and if so, what dose did you start with? I'm thinking about starting pretty low (maybe 1 or 2 grams?) since I tend to react strongly to things but wasn't sure if that would just be a waste and nothing really felt.
 
hazard12 said:
3g is a good test dose for all strains
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That sounds pretty good. I tried 3g Maeng Da for the first time (with 1g agmatine) for last night's Church group thing. I noticed a bit of energy and a good amount of focus within 30 minutes (taken on an empty stomach), but didn't get the same euphoria as from the last strain I tried (Green Indo), and not quite the same level of increased sociability either. I think it'd be better suited for work/productivity than socializing and going out, although perhaps it'd mix well with other strains for that.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That sounds pretty good. I tried 3g Maeng Da for the first time (with 1g agmatine) for last night's Church group thing. I noticed a bit of energy and a good amount of focus within 30 minutes (taken on an empty stomach), but didn't get the same euphoria as from the last strain I tried (Green Indo), and not quite the same level of increased sociability either. I think it'd be better suited for work/productivity than socializing and going out, although perhaps it'd mix well with other strains for that.
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Now you are thinking like a true KratHead (I coined that term for me and my daily kratom enthusiast friends haha).I actually carry about 4-7 strains at any given time so I can create exactly the effect I want and rotate effects so they dont get tolerance or dull.
 
hazard12 said:
Now you are thinking like a true KratHead (I coined that term for me and my daily kratom enthusiast friends haha).I actually carry about 4-7 strains at any given time so I can create exactly the effect I want and rotate effects so they dont get tolerance or dull.
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Haha, I think I want to keep my kratom use to 2-3 days per week. I have caffeine and nootropics for work/school/productivity/gym, but kratom is great for socializing and going out.
 
Thus far, nothing has come close to green indo for the ever sought after euphoria for me. It is incredible really, that in 30 min, I get this feeling wash over me that I never want to go away. I have limited myself to dosing twice a week because I want the effects to last and I could see myself getting carried away.
 
kisaj said:
Thus far, nothing has come close to green indo for the ever sought after euphoria for me. It is incredible really, that in 30 min, I get this feeling wash over me that I never want to go away. I have limited myself to dosing twice a week because I want the effects to last and I could see myself getting carried away.
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You limited your kratom use to twice a week, or just your Green Indo use?
 
I just nabbed the sampler pack from MHK. Stoked to try a few out, I'm only familiar with red and a couple greens but they're all nearmy the same ime. We'll see what white/yellow offers as well as differentiating btw greens. Alo have some Bali 20x resin extract to try...
 
Volvo140G said:
I just nabbed the sampler pack from MHK. Stoked to try a few out, I'm only familiar with red and a couple greens but they're all nearmy the same ime. We'll see what white/yellow offers as well as differentiating btw greens. Alo have some Bali 20x resin extract to try...
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Be careful with the extracts, they can be quite powerful and addicting....and some are even smokeable....dangerous stuff in the wrong hands :sasmokin:
 
Volvo140G said:
Lol @ smoking kratom
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You laugh...I got an e-liquid juice with a strong kratom extract and proceeded to puff on it....to give you some context, this was at the peak of my back injury, I had been taking really strong opiates to deal with the constant unbearable pain (im talking **** that is stronger than morfine by mg althoughg my doses were conservative for a strong opiate user), I had switched to kratom to make my life easier and more productive and came across this stuff and thought, hmm maybe ill have it for breakthrough pain...SO, back to my story. 15 minutes after puffing on it I realized I was higher than I had been on any pharmacy grade opiates, except one time where I accidentally dosed too much of the other stuff (was fun...too much fun, didn't wanna do that again). The high was short lived and the withrawal the next morning was killer (I was used to large daily kratom doses withrawal, im talking 30-40g a day). Ever since that day I have 3 kratom e-liquid bottles sitting in some storage box, saved for the day I get shot in the leg or the whole squat rack falls on me or something like that haha
 
Took 2 grams of MHK Green Malay last night and definitely noticed a mild euphoria for about an hour. After it went away, my mood was still better but I also noticed a decent increase in energy/motivation (actually spent a couple hours cleaning the house after getting the kids to bed). Surprisingly, I was still able to go to sleep after that (thought I might have trouble with the extra energy) and was knocked out for about 6 hours (which is really good for me). Only thing I noticed in the morning was a pretty calm demeanor.

I tried 3 grams of the Green Malay this morning on an empty stomach (with orange juice). The mild euphoria only lasted for about 30 minutes this time and instead of an increase in motivation/energy, I felt very calm. Not sleepy or anything...just very stress free. To test this out, I drank 8 ounces of coffee and my anxiety didn't increase at all (normally, 4-6 ounces would be enough to increase my energy and result in mild to moderate anxiety). It's crazy how effective this is for anxiety. Besides the anti-anxiety effects, I don't really notice much else.

Might try taking 2 grams with either agmatine or magnesium l-threonate tomorrow morning to see what effect they have on it.
 
I'm an idiot. I don't have an electronic scale and was basing my dosage on a conversion I saw online which said 1 tsp=2g of kratom. Well, I just found on the MHK site that they list 1 tsp (level)=4.5g of kratom. So, I was taking more than twice what I thought. That would explain my over-reaction to it. So, instead of taking 2-3 grams like I thought, I was really taking 4.5-7g. As a first time user, that obviously was a mistake. Going to drop back down to 1/2 tsp so I'm only taking around 2 grams for each dose and see how I react.
 
Fwiw I've found the little yellow scoop they provide to be, on average, about 2.2 g for an unpacked level scoop.
 
Volvo140G said:
Fwiw I've found the little yellow scoop they provide to be, on average, about 2.2 g for an unpacked level scoop.
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The yellow scoop I received had 5cc written on it. That would indicate it's 1 tsp. If so, based on the information their website it should be around 4.5 grams. Huh...not sure what to think now.
 
Volvo140G said:
Also, holy crap, tried that extract yesterday...
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How much did you take and what effects did you notice? Whatever the actual dose ends up being, 1/2 tsp so far seems to be giving me the results I wanted (some energy but still calm...it's really an unusual effect and hard to explain).

edit: sorry, just realized you were talking about the resin extract.
 
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