Kitchen sink run with bloodwork

chainsaw

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All the years I have been on here I never did bloodwork before and after. Have a bunch of supplements and trying to cut down the stash so I figured get bloodwork and give it all a run for 4 weeks and get bloodwork again. Here is what I will be running.
Cel mtest 6 caps Ed
Cel anabolic effect 6 caps Ed
Cel pct assist 4 caps Ed
Sns optimize-T 4 caps Ed
Sns bulbine 2 caps Ed
Sns anabolic xt 6 caps ed
Redcon1 11-bravo (Phosphatidic acid) 8 caps Ed (got this dirt cheap)

Will do dosing split 3 times a day with 2nd dose preworkout. 11bravo will be pre and post workout.

42 years old 6'3" 245 lean. 4 x week weights. 4 hours a week mma stlye training. Not really going to log workouts just post bloodwork and anything out of the ordinary. I don't expect steroid type gains. Even test takes more than 4 weeks to kick in. But from a natural stand point I would like to see how it does effect bloodwork and overall well being. Even if it's overkill

I have used all of these supplement in various ways or stacks but never all together. Other than that it's daily staples as in fishoil, multivitamin, extra magnesium, and glucovantage xt for high carb meals.
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Think there is quite a lot of unecesary overlap there. I’d drop optimise-T, pct assist & bulbine. Save those for another run
 
Joshlm69 said:
Think there is quite a lot of unecesary overlap there. I’d drop optimise-T, pct assist & bulbine. Save those for another run
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I agree but just wanted to get rid of some supplements. Wanted to cover all popular herbs to see possible effects on bloodwork. Long term I just want to get out of taking multiple supplements in a month. Just for future simple daily test booster and maybe a novel anabolic supplement every so often. I like mtest as a daily. And maybe a couple times a year use anabolic xt or xgels
 
Very interested to see the after. I don’t know what the high end safety dose is on some of these things is but you have quite a bit of Primavie, Tongkat, and Spilanthes in there. If you just dropped the Optimize T it’d reduce all of those and you could keep the rest which I’m sure wouldn’t change results that much.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
Very interested to see the after. I don’t know what the high end safety dose is on some of these things is but you have quite a bit of Primavie, Tongkat, and Spilanthes in there. If you just dropped the Optimize T it’d reduce all of those and you could keep the rest which I’m sure wouldn’t change results that much.
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Any thoughts @sns8778 ?
 
Always love to see before and after bloods in things. You have some solid hormonal values as is for 42; you can definitely tell you’re lean as stated.
 
Joshlm69 said:
Think there is quite a lot of unecesary overlap there. I’d drop optimise-T, pct assist & bulbine. Save those for another run
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There's not anything in his stack that has any issues of overlap.

M-Test and Optimize-T is by far that most popular natural testosterone boosting stack between the brands, and one of our most popular stacks overall.

And Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect is our most popular natural anabolic stack.

There are lots of people that use those together.

PCT Assist & Bulbine are 2 that could be saved for a different run sometimes if he wanted to, but it depends on the person. A lot of people really like those 2 for libido.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
Very interested to see the after. I don’t know what the high end safety dose is on some of these things is but you have quite a bit of Primavie, Tongkat, and Spilanthes in there. If you just dropped the Optimize T it’d reduce all of those and you could keep the rest which I’m sure wouldn’t change results that much.
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Optimize-T and M-Test is the most popular natural testosterone boosting stack between the brands.

Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect is the most popular natural anabolic stack.

A lot of people take those together.

Spilanthes:
  • Optimize-T has 500 mg. and Anabolic XT has 500 mg. for a total of 1,000 mg.
  • The daily dosage range is 500 to 1,000 mg.
  • Spilanthes XT is 500 mg. per capsule and the suggested dose of Spilanthes XT is 1 capsule twice per day, so the Spilanthes dosage of this stack isn't more than using Spilanthes XT at 2 caps per day.
Tongkat Ali:
  • M-Test has 500 mg. and Optimize-T has 300 mg. of a potent extract std. to a min. 2% Eurycomanone.
  • Tongkat Ali XT contains 300 mg. of the same potent extract per capsule that is in Optimize-T, and people can take 1 to 2 caps per day of Tongkat Ali XT.
PrimaVie:
  • Optimize-T has 250 mg., Anabolic Effect has 250 mg., and M-Test has 200 mg for a total of 700 mg.
  • 700 mg. of PrimaVie is absolutely fine to take.

When formulating these products, they were formulated with it in mind that some people will want to stack them together.
 
Well so far I have noticed a huge increase in appetite. I don't know if it has some gda type effects but appetite is really big right now. Also I have been getting some pimples, which isn't common for me, so would lead me to speculate that there is some hormonal fluctuation. Speaking of which the libido is crazy I'm not young nor is my wife so a need to keep after it is happening. So far so good.
 
Also I should mention my diet is very straightforward and simple for sake of not only bodybuilding but for convenience and price. I have been eating this way for years. Same old boring diet.

1. 6 eggs, 3oz potatoes, 8oz milk fairlife
2. 6 Oz chicken 1 cup rice 1 cup peas
3. 6oz lean ground beef 1 cup peas
4. 1.5 hour Preworkout 2 scoop protein powder. 8oz of dry cereal containing 50g carbs
5. 6oz chicken 2 cup rice
6. Same as meal 3

Friday night is usually night I get pizza. Days I train bjj and muay Thai I skip meals 4 and 6.

From my calculator it's is 200-250g protein on non workout days. 300g protein on workout days. 300g carbs on non workout days 400 to 500 on workout days.

As stated above the plan isn't to gain weight or lose weight just want to see what all of these do together as far as hormones amd to empty my stash. After this I will be leading more into bulking with natural anabolics. I will probably stay on mtest and use it month on month off. But axt, alpha one, anabolic effect, xgels will all be products i will be using over fall winter months to bulk with higher calorie diet
 
sns8778 said:
Optimize-T and M-Test is the most popular natural testosterone boosting stack between the brands.

Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect is the most popular natural anabolic stack.

A lot of people take those together.

Spilanthes:
  • Optimize-T has 500 mg. and Anabolic XT has 500 mg. for a total of 1,000 mg.
  • The daily dosage range is 500 to 1,000 mg.
  • Spilanthes XT is 500 mg. per capsule and the suggested dose of Spilanthes XT is 1 capsule twice per day, so the Spilanthes dosage of this stack isn't more than using Spilanthes XT at 2 caps per day.
Tongkat Ali:
  • M-Test has 500 mg. and Optimize-T has 300 mg. of a potent extract std. to a min. 2% Eurycomanone.
  • Tongkat Ali XT contains 300 mg. of the same potent extract per capsule that is in Optimize-T, and people can take 1 to 2 caps per day of Tongkat Ali XT.
PrimaVie:
  • Optimize-T has 250 mg., Anabolic Effect has 250 mg., and M-Test has 200 mg for a total of 700 mg.
  • 700 mg. of PrimaVie is absolutely fine to take.

When formulating these products, they were formulated with it in mind that some people will want to stack them together.
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I did not mean to make you think I was saying anything negative. There was a comment to drop a few products, but I just thought that by just dropping 1 you get rid of most of the overlap. And like I said I don't know the high end safety amounts. Thanks for breaking down the ingredient amounts.
 
sns8778 said:
There's not anything in his stack that has any issues of overlap.

M-Test and Optimize-T is by far that most popular natural testosterone boosting stack between the brands, and one of our most popular stacks overall.

And Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect is our most popular natural anabolic stack.

There are lots of people that use those together.

PCT Assist & Bulbine are 2 that could be saved for a different run sometimes if he wanted to, but it depends on the person. A lot of people really like those 2 for libido.
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Thanks Steve for chiming in. This is the old version of pct assist I also got it on a steep discount so I wanted to use it because of the horny goat weed. And then just throw in bulbine just because it didn't exist in any other product.
 
chainsaw said:
Thanks Steve for chiming in. This is the old version of pct assist I also got it on a steep discount so I wanted to use it because of the horny goat weed. And then just throw in bulbine just because it didn't exist in any other product.
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That makes sense. The % Icariin in PCT Assist is great - and is great for libido. It's perfectly fine to take with all of the other; I was just replying to people telling you not to, that if I had to take anything out, and you don't have to, that it would be that before it would be M-Test.

And Bulbine, I like as an ingredient, and I think its better as a single ingredient than in a formula because its an ingredient that some people may do better at certain dosages, so I think its best to be able to adjust the dosage based on your individual needs.

I was surprised to see some sentiment in the thread about anyone feeling like there was overlap with M-Test and Optimize-T or with Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT because they are one of our most popular stacks and I use them myself; and were formulated to be able to be taken together.
 
Halfnattyman44 said:
I did not mean to make you think I was saying anything negative. There was a comment to drop a few products, but I just thought that by just dropping 1 you get rid of most of the overlap. And like I said I don't know the high end safety amounts. Thanks for breaking down the ingredient amounts.
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Thanks. It's not that I thought you were intentionally saying anything negative, but I could see where people reading may have thought that and then thought that things that were actually formulated to be able to be taken together may should not be taken together. So I wanted to break it down to help avoid confusion.

The way I formulate is very specific - for products to be dosed correctly and to work on their own, and to avoid potential overlap when stacking with other products.

For example, one of the reasons it took Optimize-T so long to be released was that M-Test is such a great product - I wanted to formulate a different product that would be great on its own, but that would also be great when stacked with M-Test.
 
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