Kickstart cycle with oral?

In my using days, I kick started my last couple cycles with superdrol. I kickstarted once with dbol. Wasn't for me. BP skyrocketed with dbol for some reason but not superdrol. This stuff is very individual though.
 
lmnopqbig said:
What do you guys think about kickstarting cycles? I’m going to do a test only but am considering an oral
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It’s good if you need instant gratification or doing a very short cycle (like 8 weeks), but you ruin your lipids right out of the gate and also set yourself up for less backend progress because you put more firepower up front when you probably didn’t need it.

You always want to raise the total anabolic load over a blast if you change it, never lowering it. So as the body adapts you keep increasing the stimulus. If you start hard then pull the oral, you create more of a flat cycle.

For these reasons, I’m a big fan of using an oral to finish strong. Keeps lipids highest for the longest time and ensures the most gear when you need the most to eek out those last gains of the blast.
 
Excellent post Hyde. I've done both and using the oral as the finisher is the better choice in my opinion too.
 
Hyde said:
It’s good if you need instant gratification or doing a very short cycle (like 8 weeks), but you ruin your lipids right out of the gate and also set yourself up for less backend progress because you put more firepower up front when you probably didn’t need it.

You always want to raise the total anabolic load over a blast if you change it, never lowering it. So as the body adapts you keep increasing the stimulus. If you start hard then pull the oral, you create more of a flat cycle.

For these reasons, I’m a big fan of using an oral to finish strong. Keeps lipids highest for the longest time and ensures the most gear when you need the most to eke out those last gains of the blast.
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Even a short run of orals, day for a week or two in the end of a cycle, does more than you think it will.
 
sammpedd88 said:
Even a short run of orals, day for a week or two in the end of a cycle, does more than you think it will.
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That’s my experience. Everything has slowed down, blood levels have been stable at some time and it doesn’t make sense to up the long esters really - you want to finish by increasing with fast drugs for the last push. NPP, Test/Mast Prop, Tren/Trest Ace, and all your orals.

The loss in water when you pull them will be more obvious because you are also stopping the long esters and coming off after, but they really do give that kick to reach a new zenith as well.

As Dave Tate likes to say, “Drop the jabs & up the tabs” at the end of the blast 😁
 
Hyde said:
That’s my experience. Everything has slowed down, blood levels have been stable at some time and it doesn’t make sense to up the long esters really - you want to finish by increasing with fast drugs for the last push. NPP, Test/Mast Prop, Tren/Trest Ace, and all your orals.

The loss in water when you pull them will be more obvious because you are also stopping the long esters and coming off after, but they really do give that kick to reach a new zenith as well.

As Dave Tate likes to say, “Drop the jabs & up the tabs” at the end of the blast 😁
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Tren ace daily for peak week and the morning of the meet, along with drol did wonders for me!
 
sammpedd88 said:
Tren ace daily for peak week and the morning of the meet, along with drol did wonders for me!
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For hypertrophy I would try to get 3-4 weeks in, but beyond that length there’s not really anything orals are doing growth-wise that you couldn’t have achieved with a “safer” long ester oil probably.
 
Hyde said:
For hypertrophy I would try to get 3-4 weeks in, but beyond that length there’s not really anything orals are doing growth-wise that you couldn’t have achieved with a “safer” long ester oil probably.
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I’m glad you said that. I was thinking of running drol and Tren for a couple of weeks leading up to my next meet. The low dose of Tren you recommended to me, I was able to tolerate very well. I think I would run it for a few weeks with no issues. I don’t want my wife kicking my ass for being an asshole!
 
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