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Is there any body who has a idea of how to keep supression to a minimum while on Ergomax...... If there is not I will suck it up.... Just curious?
I was asking a similar question in another thread, but havent got a response. I was thinking of trying some ultra hot or rebound through the second half of my cycle to see if it helps. Isnt this the purpose of HCG in longer AAS cycles?
Seems like if this did work (using the UH or RXT during cycle) I would hear more about it. If it works then you would be able to keep your gains better when you started PCT, as your natty level would come back faster. Am I wrong?
The concept is similar to HCG. HCG is a synthetic form of LH. The goal is to stimulate the testies to keep up natural test production. A hypothalimic ar agonist in theory would keep the receptors producing GnRH and thus natural production of LH and FSH. Thus, you wouldn't need a synthetic form of LH (HCG).I was asking a similar question in another thread, but havent got a response. I was thinking of trying some ultra hot or rebound through the second half of my cycle to see if it helps. Isnt this the purpose of HCG in longer AAS cycles?
Seems like if this did work (using the UH or RXT during cycle) I would hear more about it. If it works then you would be able to keep your gains better when you started PCT, as your natty level would come back faster. Am I wrong?
Very interesting, I would think the last 2 weeks of a 6 week cycle couldn't hurt to try. It might work. Ultra HOt is loaded with ATD isn't it?
Excellent, I may give this a try on my next ergo cycle coming up in a few weeks. Are you going to be using Giants ATD or what?If it works (and again, this is yet to be entirely confirmed), I would think you would need to supplement with ATD during the entire lenght of the cycle (or at least after the first week). Once you are shut down, its going to be difficult to stimulate GnRH production (even with an AR angonist) when still administering exogenous hormones.
I'm going to be taking 50 mg's/day ATD (25 mgs, two times per day) after the first week of my current six week cycle. The goal is to see if does speed recovery post cycle.
Are you going to be using Giants ATD or what?
I started to notice shrinkage in the third week. What was weird is that it seemed like only one of my nutts shrank, or both did but only was significanlty noticeable. I havent used M1T or any other compound to compare it to.I'm also planning to use Giant's ATD on my upcoming Ergo cycle... I just don't like it when a get shrinkage/shutdown, there is always lingering thought of "what if they don't come back?", lol.
I've read tons of conflicting posts on the amount of shutdown people think they are experiencing on Ergo. M1T shut me down HARD after only a few days, I really hope Ergo doesn't have the same effects.
Are there any guidlines that have been proven as to how long it takes Ergo to start shutting you down? I know with M1T is was a matter of days.
Trying to get some idea of what to expect from Ergo... I think I'm going to keep the cycle around the 3 week mark in hopes of minimizing shutdown.
How long did it take you to recover fully?I started to notice shrinkage in the third week. What was weird is that it seemed like only one of my nutts shrank, or both did but only was significanlty noticeable. I havent used M1T or any other compound to compare it to.
PCT is definitely one of those "too much is better than not enough" kind of things IMO, lol.Next cycle i will use some atd while on and use this for PCT (maybe a little overkill i know):
Sounds like Ergo sits well with you... how were the gains? Any neg. sides at all?I am currently in the last days of a 5 week ergo/prostan and have not become aware of any shut down as of now. I know that there must be some, however the "boys" are actually a bit larger than normal, libido is way up, energy is good and overall mood is still very good. I started taking ES3 (ATD,6-oxo,3-ohat,dhb) with one week left just to jumpstart pct. I have been thouroughly impressed with the stack.
Did you notice and hair loss or shredding?I am currently in the last days of a 5 week ergo/prostan and have not become aware of any shut down as of now. I know that there must be some, however the "boys" are actually a bit larger than normal, libido is way up, energy is good and overall mood is still very good. I started taking ES3 (ATD,6-oxo,3-ohat,dhb) with one week left just to jumpstart pct. I have been thouroughly impressed with the stack.
It's PA's brand... it's the exact same thing as Rebound XT, except it's actually available and is a bit cheaper.What is this Giant ATD? What brand is that? Never heard of Giant.
They coming back at all yet? I was on M1T for like a week and it shut me down cold for about a month. Not a cool feeling.I am on my 2nd week of PCT after an Ergomax cycle, which was cut short after 3 weeks due to shutdown and testicular atrophy. As you mentioned, SHSUStudent, I had the same experience -- my left testicle shrank to about 50% of its original size whereas my right testicle is about 75% of its original size.
My gains on Ergomax were good -- 17 lbs of lean mass and dropped 1-2% in BF. But the shutdown was bad, as mentioned.
I am worried my boys will not come back too.
J.
further evidence that M1T is the devil...They coming back at all yet? I was on M1T for like a week and it shut me down cold for about a month. Not a cool feeling.
My ball size hasn't changed yet but my loads are getting bigger (some relief at least). I ordered some Ultra H.O.T. so I will stack that with Nolvadex for my remaining 3 weeks of PCT to try and speed things up. What doses do you all recommend of UH and Nolva? I just finished one week of Nolva at 40 mg.They coming back at all yet? I was on M1T for like a week and it shut me down cold for about a month. Not a cool feeling.
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