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Just started Test C/Deca/Tren E/Dbol cycle

TruthWalker said:
Thank you guys so much. It means more than you know to have people who understand.
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Fcck yeah dude. I used to be an opiate user as well. Mad props for CTing it dude. I had to do a fast sub taper over 10 days from a 2g a day dope habit. Its way better not having to worry each day and actually be able to focus on life.
 
Ok, hoping everyone can provide some insight. Lately. my moods have been way off and I am not sure if its due to coming off the oxy, or the tren. Mostly they are anxious thoughts, insecurities and irrational fears.

Usually on cycle I feel like superman, but tren has had this effect on me once before. Should I stop the tren? If so, should I double the deca, or add masteron instead of tren?

The mental advantage being on cycle is one of my favorite aspects of it and right now it is not there. The only other thing I could think of would be that I let me e2 get too high (I know I did, but am now at .5mg adex ED.

I don't mind cutting the tren out if there's a viable alternative. My main goal for this cycle is just to get as massive as possible and just thought that the tren would help keep bf from getting too high
 
Everyone is different.
My guess would be:
The test/tren ratio is off. Too much test. Personally, I would keep test to a bare minimum while on tren, like 200mg/week.
 
hairygrandpa said:
Everyone is different.
My guess would be:
The test/tren ratio is off. Too much test. Personally, I would keep test to a bare minimum while on tren, like 200mg/week.
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gotcha. yeah I was going with high test in order to bulk, but yeah I a ok so considered that possibility
 
So, I've decided to drop the tren. I can't handle not feeling invincible, like I'm superman. So it looks like tren may not be for me.

I've also been somewhat sick the past 10 days, so haven't been able make any progress in the gym. As such, I have decided to tweak my cycle slightly - by extending the cycle to 20 weeks, upping the deca to 450mg/week, and adding in mast prop at 400mg/week (100mg eod). I am also going to add in 10mg of M1T for weeks 12-14. So here is the new outline:

Weeks 4-20: 700mg test cyp
Weeks 4-20: 450mg deca
Weeks 4-20: 400mg mast prop (100mg EOD)
Weeks 4-6: Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 12-14: M1T 10mg ED
Weeks 19-22: Superdrol 20mg ED

Then dropping back down to cruise at 250 test and 200 mast e
 
Anxiousness and paranoia sounds more like tren to me . However it's most likely the combination of the two . Are you having anxious thoughts about discontinuing the opiates ? Opiates are no joke and it's good you are taking the initiative to stop while you are ahead . You don't want to go through withdrawal symptoms like seizures later on trust me on that . Keep to an agenda if you can . It will really help you from having idle hands and that's when compulsions for substance abuse seem to take place from my past experiences . And as mentioned you have us here on AM for moral support . Subbd for the 215 mark !
 
Congrats on kicking oxy. I've been there myself and it's rough.

If your cravings get outta hand try Kratom before going back to oxy
 
Thanks for all the support guys! I am pretty confident all of the anxiety has been due to the tren. I now distinctly remember having the exact same problems when I did tren the last few times but was able to blow it off bc I had few responsibilities in life.

I have not dosed the tren since last Sunday night and I can feel my self confidence and center returning. I am never touching the stuff again - I highly value my thought processes, and I believe the combination of oxy and tren was toxic. Thank God I'm on the other side!

**** had me questioning if I should quit my job or do this or that...there was (still occasionally is) a feeling of impending doom. it was ****ing horrible!

On top of that I've had major stomach issues and combined with the anxiety have done very little physical activity this week compared to normal.

That being said, I'm up to 191.4 so Im still gaining, and I've even been eating quite a bit less just due to my gastrointestinal issues.

I've moved the adex dose up to .5mg ED while I finish the dbol and will then go back to EOD.

Masteron came in today, and today is pin day...do you guys think I should go ahead and start the Mast Prop or hold off until the tren is totally out of my system?

on the oxy side of things, still clean and staying super strong on that :)
 
Anxiety and impending doom describe what my LSD experiences started to turn into once I grew out of my teens... idk man you may want to stop the occasional recreational dosing
 
TruthWalker said:
Well folks, it's time to turn into a monster. The purpose of this thread is to provide weekly updates and get feedback throughout the cycle.

Sunday night I took my first shot of test/deca/tren and 50mg of dbol. Nothing to report yet. Here are my stats and cycle plan:

32 years old, 6', 182lbs, 9%bf

Cycle History: Lots of test, deca, and superdrol. A couple of tren runs. I'm also on Dr. prescribed TRT, so I know what I'm doing.

Training History: Lifted seriously for 5 years with a 1.5 year break in between due to injury (torn quad and chronic hamstring strain - both good to go)

Diet - This is a bulker and I am an extreme hardgainer, so I will be eating a minimum of 5000 calories. I generally eat between 4k and 4500 off cycle. I also usually do a 40/40/20 macro split.

Training Routine - For me, because of my metabolism, training methodology has just as significant an impact on my results as my diet. I have to train heavy af. All free weights, mostly compound lifts. For Bench, Incline, Deadlifts, OHP - I do 4 sets at 4/4/2/2. I do 4 reps at 80% 1RM, and 2 reps at 90%. For all of my secondary lifts, I do 4 sets of 6 at 60%.
I train Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday/Friday/Saturday - Chest/Abs&Arms/Back/Legs/Shoulders.

Cycle: 16 weeks.
Weeks 1-16 Test 600mg
Weeks 1-16 Deca 300mg
Weeks 1-16 Tren E 300mg
Weeks 1-6 Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 13-16 Superdrol 20mg ED
Weeks 1-16 Proviron 50mg ED

0.5mg adex EOD
Caber on hand

My PCT consists of 250mg/week of test.

Goals are to get as massive as possible while staying under 10%bf, and increase strength significantly.

I will post pre cycle pics later today. Positive comments and suggestions welcome!
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Yo brother jumped in on this a little late. But I'm behind you a hundred percent them oppiates are know joke they took two loved ones from me. Stay strong. I'm praying for you.
 
TruthWalker said:
Thanks for all the support guys! I am pretty confident all of the anxiety has been due to the tren. I now distinctly remember having the exact same problems when I did tren the last few times but was able to blow it off bc I had few responsibilities in life.

I have not dosed the tren since last Sunday night and I can feel my self confidence and center returning. I am never touching the stuff again - I highly value my thought processes, and I believe the combination of oxy and tren was toxic. Thank God I'm on the other side!

**** had me questioning if I should quit my job or do this or that...there was (still occasionally is) a feeling of impending doom. it was ****ing horrible!

On top of that I've had major stomach issues and combined with the anxiety have done very little physical activity this week compared to normal.

That being said, I'm up to 191.4 so Im still gaining, and I've even been eating quite a bit less just due to my gastrointestinal issues.

I've moved the adex dose up to .5mg ED while I finish the dbol and will then go back to EOD.

Masteron came in today, and today is pin day...do you guys think I should go ahead and start the Mast Prop or hold off until the tren is totally out of my system?

on the oxy side of things, still clean and staying super strong on that :)
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Also mast is excellent but 1 test cyp. Is an excellent alternative to tren way less sides. I have used both over the years a few times.
 
Still going steady! Weight is stuck at 190, but that's even after I stopped the dbol early a week ago. Right now all I am running is 700 test, 450 deca, and 50mg Proviron.

I am giving the tren another two weeks to get out of my system before adding masteron 100mg EOD.

Also still planning on running the M1T blast in the middle and superdrol to finish.

Mentally, feeling more like myself every day.
 
TruthWalker said:
So, I've decided to drop the tren. I can't handle not feeling invincible, like I'm superman. So it looks like tren may not be for me.

I've also been somewhat sick the past 10 days, so haven't been able make any progress in the gym. As such, I have decided to tweak my cycle slightly - by extending the cycle to 20 weeks, upping the deca to 450mg/week, and adding in mast prop at 400mg/week (100mg eod). I am also going to add in 10mg of M1T for weeks 12-14. So here is the new outline:

Weeks 4-20: 700mg test cyp
Weeks 4-20: 450mg deca
Weeks 4-20: 400mg mast prop (100mg EOD)
Weeks 4-6: Dbol 50mg ED
Weeks 12-14: M1T 10mg ED
Weeks 19-22: Superdrol 20mg ED

Then dropping back down to cruise at 250 test and 200 mast e
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22 weeks? geezus dude I thought you said you knew what your doing, I knew you were full of **** when you said 16 weeks of tren lmao and 9% body fat nope.

test 500 -750
deca 600
drop all that other bull****
for all that extra **** .5 of adex isnt enough you need aromasin and adex they both eliminate E2 differently but just adex alone only binds to estrogen and after 4 days starts to release it and you will get E2 rebound
 
heckler7 said:
22 weeks? geezus dude I thought you said you knew what your doing, I knew you were full of **** when you said 16 weeks of tren lmao and 9% body fat nope.

test 500 -750
deca 600
drop all that other bull****
for all that extra **** .5 of adex isnt enough you need aromasin and adex they both eliminate E2 differently but just adex alone only binds to estrogen and after 4 days starts to release it and you will get E2 rebound
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You obviously did not read the post I made earlier today brotha.

I've dropped everything but test at 700 and deca at 450 and 50mg proviron ed.

Also, the blast is technically 20 weeks, but I'm going back to my trt dose of 250mg at Week 20 and am continuing it for two weeks past the blast.

My reasoning on the superdrol is to give my body enough time to "recover" from the M1T, although I may or may not run the M1T.

Do you think I would see better results if I upped the deca from 450?
 
I'd like to know what everyone's thoughts are on adding masteron - I could have thrown it in the mix tonight but opted to wait until tren is for sure gone.

And if I do, would it be best to use prop or Enanthate? I have 3 vials of prop already but can easily get enanthate.
 
mast is best with tren on a cut, you need to be very low body fat to see it work but its mild, with deca its a waste. proviron is always good as it effects SHBG good for sexual function, dont bother with the SD or m1t just run deca around 600 and test around 750 and you will have good gains
 
heckler7 said:
mast is best with tren on a cut, you need to be very low body fat to see it work but its mild, with deca its a waste. proviron is always good as it effects SHBG good for sexual function, dont bother with the SD or m1t just run deca around 600 and test around 750 and you will have good gains
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Yeah Ive run test/deca before, usually at 600/400. I will up the deca to 500 this time.

Never touching tren again, but thanks for the note on the mast. I suppose I might as well just up my proviron dose to 100 instead of using mast - I could always just add the mast to my trt instead.

But there's no way in hell I'm not running the superdrol. It's far and away my 2nd favorite steroid, and it is a very close second, testosterone being my 1st. It is one compound that I get all of the good side effects and none of the bad. However, what I might do is not run the M1T, and just run the superdrol at either 10mg weeks 15-20 or 20mg weeks 17-20.
 
TruthWalker said:
Yeah Ive run test/deca before, usually at 600/400. I will up the deca to 500 this time.

Never touching tren again, but thanks for the note on the mast. I suppose I might as well just up my proviron dose to 100 instead of using mast - I could always just add the mast to my trt instead.

But there's no way in hell I'm not running the superdrol. It's far and away my 2nd favorite steroid, and it is a very close second, testosterone being my 1st. It is one compound that I get all of the good side effects and none of the bad. However, what I might do is not run the M1T, and just run the superdrol at either 10mg weeks 15-20 or 20mg weeks 17-20.
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dont run more than 50mg of proviron, its not gonna be noticable its best with primo and mast, but it does have a very mild anti estrogen effect and boosts free test. with all the **** your pumping in your body you better get labs done, your clearly a mess
 
heckler7 said:
dont run more than 50mg of proviron, its not gonna be noticable its best with primo and mast, but it does have a very mild anti estrogen effect and boosts free test. with all the **** your pumping in your body you better get labs done, your clearly a mess
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Can you define "all the ****"? Cause I'm pretty sure all I'm running is test deca and proviron atm.

And I get regular lab work. I may experiment with compounds and dosages but I'm not an idiot. Liver values are slightly elevated as of last week, 57 and 75. Which is actually lower than my pre cycle levels were. Everything else is within normal range.

If you're just going to keep heckling and being an *******, even after I've agreed with you about things and asked for your advice, please go find another thread to give your input on.
 
TruthWalker said:
So, I've decided to drop the tren. I can't handle not feeling invincible, like I'm superman. So it looks like tren may not be for me.

I've also been somewhat sick the past 10 days, so haven't been able make any progress in the gym. As such, I have decided to tweak my cycle slightly - by extending the cycle to 20 weeks, upping the deca to 450mg/week, and adding in mast prop at 400mg/week (100mg eod). I am also going to add in 10mg of M1T for weeks 12-14. So here is the new outline:

Weeks 4-20: 700mg test cyp
Weeks 4-20: 450mg deca
Weeks 4-20: 400mg mast prop (100mg EOD) not necessary
Weeks 4-6: Dbol 50mg ED ok but not necessary[/B]
Weeks 12-14: M1T 10mg ED waste
Weeks 19-22: Superdrol 20mg ED waste

Then dropping back down to cruise at 250 test and 200 mast e
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this is what I was talking about, trying to help you bro, you can save that stuff for another cycle more isnt better unless its more test
 
I don't mean to be rude or overly critical, but at least when I was cycling we would suggest you get closer to your natty (or TRT) potential before taking such a strong cycle.

Genetic potential varies obviously, but I would think that with proper diet and training, especially on 250mg/week TRT, you'd be able to get well over 200+ lbs. at the same body fat before doing test/deca/tren/dbol/masteron cycle. Just my opinion.

At 6' you just shouldn't need that much gear to break 200 lbs. let alone 190 if your training and diet are where they should be.
 
Justlooking5 said:
I don't mean to be rude or overly critical, but at least when I was cycling we would suggest you get closer to your natty (or TRT) potential before taking such a strong cycle.
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if your gonna pin test and shut down your natural production whats the point of only running the amount you already produce naturaly, you wanna run that **** as has as you can without getting the negative sides
 
heckler7 said:
if your gonna pin test and shut down your natural production whats the point of only running the amount you already produce naturaly, you wanna run that **** as has as you can without getting the negative sides
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No, you don't want to run it as high as you can, because you don't know all the negative sides you may be experiencing. Blood tests aren't going to show everything, like what's going on in your arteries.

Also, and again I'm not being critical, I've run multiple cycles of gear myself, but this excess reliance on gear is a bit concerning given the oxy habit.

Unless the OP is a severe hardgainer, I bet he could add 20 lbs. and get to well over 200 lbs. at 6' just on his TRT level of 250mg/day IF his diet and training are consistent, effective, and proper.

Huge doses of gear are not supposed to replace a proper training and diet routine. This is true from both a health standpoint, and just getting good results standpoint.

Plus, if he's trying to kick oxy, he's ****ing with his brain chemistry a lot by taking that much gear, especially tren/deca etc.
 
Justlooking5 said:
No, you don't want to run it as high as you can, because you don't know all the negative sides you may be experiencing. Blood tests aren't going to show everything, like what's going on in your arteries.

Also, and again I'm not being critical, I've run multiple cycles of gear myself, but this excess reliance on gear is a bit concerning given the oxy habit.

Unless the OP is a severe hardgainer, I bet he could add 20 lbs. and get to well over 200 lbs. at 6' just on his TRT level of 250mg/day IF his diet and training are consistent, effective, and proper.

Huge doses of gear are not supposed to replace a proper training and diet routine. This is true from both a health standpoint, and just getting good results standpoint.

Plus, if he's trying to kick oxy, he's ****ing with his brain chemistry a lot by taking that much gear, especially tren/deca etc.
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I think you just said what I said?
 
if you body produce 600T or more natural and you pin 150mg a week your gonna shutdown your natural production just to have a synthetic test level of 600T, explain this logic
 
heckler7 said:
I think you just said what I said?

if you body produce 600T or more natural and you pin 150mg a week your gonna shutdown your natural production just to have a synthetic test level of 600T, explain this logic
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I'm not sure, it sounded like you said: "If you're going to pin test you want to run the test as high as possible." That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying: If his diet and training are on point, which they ought to be if he's going to use gear (IMO), he should be able to get to over 200 lbs. on TRT and should not be relying on test/tren/deca/dbol/masteron cycle to get there. It means his diet and training is likely not where it should be and then he really shouldn't be on cycle until it is. Both from a health POV and results POV.

And it is unwise to use so much gear which will mess with his brain chemistry if he's simultaneously trying to kick an oxy habit.
 
if your gonna pin runit 500-750 if you can handle 1G do it get the most out of the cycle is you can handle it. thats what I said, theres dudes running TNE and getting labs back 23K T, just saying that why we do it right
 
Justlooking5 said:
No, you don't want to run it as high as you can, because you don't know all the negative sides you may be experiencing. Blood tests aren't going to show everything, like what's going on in your arteries.

Also, and again I'm not being critical, I've run multiple cycles of gear myself, but this excess reliance on gear is a bit concerning given the oxy habit.

Unless the OP is a severe hardgainer, I bet he could add 20 lbs. and get to well over 200 lbs. at 6' just on his TRT level of 250mg/day IF his diet and training are consistent, effective, and proper.

Huge doses of gear are not supposed to replace a proper training and diet routine. This is true from both a health standpoint, and just getting good results standpoint.

Plus, if he's trying to kick oxy, he's ****ing with his brain chemistry a lot by taking that much gear, especially tren/deca etc.
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I really appreciate both of yalls posts and will take the time to respond to everything here in a bit.

Thanks for all the input guys, I know everyone is just trying to help :)
 
TruthWalker said:
I really appreciate both of yalls posts and will take the time to respond to everything here in a bit.

Thanks for all the input guys, I know everyone is just trying to help :)
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Thanks, I'm not trying to be a dick and I know the temptation to run a big cycle as I've done it myself. Interested to read your response.
 
heckler7 said:
if your gonna pin runit 500-750 if you can handle 1G do it get the most out of the cycle is you can handle it. thats what I said, theres dudes running TNE and getting labs back 23K T, just saying that why we do it right
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When I was using gear in the early 2000s the general belief was you use the minimum amount needed to achieve the results that you want, and maybe add some dbol for extra gains/fun factor.

Then on your next cycle, you increase the dose to go further. So for example, 500 sust/400 deca/25 dbol for a first cycle, then maybe you go 750 test e/600 eq/50 dbol for the next cycle, THEN maybe go to a gram of test if you really think you need it (which most won't and still make good gains IMO especially if they are under 240ish at 6').

You don't go straight to the max dose whose side effects you can tolerate, you go with the minimum/reasonable dose you need to achieve the results you want. You really just want gear to put you in a constantly anabolic state above your own natural potential, and to increase strength, and then rely on hard training, high protein, and sufficient calories to make gains.

That approach, where you learn what your body responds to by getting close to your genetic limit naturally also helps you make better progress on gear and really helps you maintain your gains off gear.
 
Justlooking5 said:
I'm not sure, it sounded like you said: "If you're going to pin test you want to run the test as high as possible." That's not what I'm saying.

I'm saying: If his diet and training are on point, which they ought to be if he's going to use gear (IMO), he should be able to get to over 200 lbs. on TRT and should not be relying on test/tren/deca/dbol/masteron cycle to get there. It means his diet and training is likely not where it should be and then he really shouldn't be on cycle until it is. Both from a health POV and results POV.

And it is unwise to use so much gear which will mess with his brain chemistry if he's simultaneously trying to kick an oxy habit.
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Thanks for your input Justlooking. I appreciate your conservative approach and can see the wisdom in getting as close to possible naturally before running such a strong cycle.

I think it has been well established that this cycle was too much for me initially. I stopped taking both the tren and dbol over a week ago, and I feel and look much better. I am still up 12lbs this cycle, getting stronger and leaner.

As far as the oxy goes, I still have not touched any more, nor have I had the desire to.

Also, Justlooking5 I have a very knowledgeable, close personal friend with decades of experience and knowledge who holds the same low dose philosophy. He also asserts that I'm a hardgainer unlike anyone he has ever seen before.

We have concluded the deciding factor in me gaining size is probably going to be using my incredibly fast metabolism and recovery as an asset to lifting very very heavy (80-90% of max) on my major lifts and just eating as much as possible. Right now I'm eating between 4500-5000 calories a day and that seems to be a good range for me.

My plan for now is to continue on with 700 test/500 deca/50mg Proviron and let my diet and training do the rest. I'm still going to finish with superdrol, because I love it and respond so well to it, but I will not be adding masteron or M1T.
 
Nice, that seems like a better approach.

Just curious, how old are you?

I was a hardgainer also, especially in my teens and early 20s. I was able to make my best gains eating about 5,000-7,000 cals per week (so much I threw up stuffing myself, and would do gallon of whole milk/day etc.) and doing Doggcrapp style training.

I continue to have good results from DC training today and I think it is a good program for hardgainers (low volume high intensity) as long as you keep your workouts to 45-60 min or less.
 
Justlooking5 said:
Nice, that seems like a better approach.

Just curious, how old are you?

I was a hardgainer also, especially in my teens and early 20s. I was able to make my best gains eating about 5,000-7,000 cals per week (so much I threw up stuffing myself, and would do gallon of whole milk/day etc.) and doing Doggcrapp style training.

I continue to have good results from DC training today and I think it is a good program for hardgainers (low volume high intensity) as long as you keep your workouts to 45-60 min or less.
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I am 32. Being a hardgainer sucks. People dont think they exist but they do. I can eat 500g carbs and 400g protein and 125g fat every day and not gain a lb. If I am training intensively.

I also do not get sore easily at all. I think the key to inducing muscle hypertrophy, for me, is going to be highly dependent on consistent, low volume high intensity training along with a huge influx of calories.

Not sure if this has anything to do with metabolism, but I can eat a full size chicken carbonara sandwich from quiznos and 4 hours later have absolutely nothing in my stomach. Did this one day, puked during leg day a few months ago and threw up nothing but water.
 
You probably do have a high metabolism and hardgainer is definitely a real phenomenon.

That said, it would be really surprising if you could not get above 200-210 on your current cycle... if you're having trouble breaking 200 lbs. at 6' on 700 test/500 deca then I think taking a serious look at your training/calories/protein/sleep would be in order.

How much protein are you eating? Do you use a whey supplement?
 
Justlooking5 said:
You probably do have a high metabolism and hardgainer is definitely a real phenomenon.

That said, it would be really surprising if you could not get above 200-210 on your current cycle... if you're having trouble breaking 200 lbs. at 6' on 700 test/500 deca then I think taking a serious look at your training/calories/protein/sleep would be in order.

How much protein are you eating? Do you use a whey supplement?
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I'm not having any trouble atm thankfully...next week is week 6 and I'm up to 192 and not holding water. Obviously it fluctuates day to day, but the scale is still going up, and I can see the difference too. I have no doubts I should be able to hit 200lbs, and am quite confident I can make it to 210 this cycle with just the test, deca, and proper training routine - lifting heavy af.

My diet is pretty on point. Not perfect, but no junk food, fast food, or candy. I have gastrointestinal issues so I have to keep my diet pretty bland and clean. I hit 350-400g protein per day pretty consistently. I keep track of everything I eat with the myfitness app. The only protein supplements I use are whey isolate and a pwo shake. I have a 64g protein whey isolate shake in the morning and another before bed. My pwo shake has 25g protein.
 
Brandinooooo said:
TruthWalker I've been away for a few days. How did the detox go? I just tapered my kratom dose from 60g back to 30g per day.
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Brandinooooo the detox from oxy or the detox from tren? ?the detox from oxy went fine...barely felt any withdrawal effects thanks to the tapentadol even going CT.

Detox from the tren has been a little rougher mentally...that stuff really ****ed with my head. All on the up and up though, gainsville is in sight!
 
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