Just Started New Stack cycle , Opinions Please

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New to the forum, not new to lifting, but new to Anabolics , im 42 , i had really low test, since weight lost and the gym i do have more i can feel it in places, Hitting the gym 3 to 4 days a week, 2 hours each session, im taking pre workout, creatine, bcaa, muscle tech alpha test booster, nutrex anabol hardcore. came across Sarm/pro hormones , watching you tube videos, reading trying to figure out so i got some stuff, i just started Rad140 (10mg a day) MK677 (25mg a day) and do to already low test i started Hi-tech Halodrol (250 mg blend a day, 1 tablet 1 andro/4 andro) , planning on a 10 week cycle then doing GW501516 ,pct Hi-tech Arimistane and Hi-tech Liver rx , looking for info, anything anyone would do different. ty
 
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Get your serm for pct asap, if you don't have it already. The Hi-Tech 1-/4-Andro blend probably doesn't disclose the amount of each compound, but you'll need a minimun of 2 caps a day spread out.
 
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Not sure how much 1/4 andro is in that but based on your description I’m guessing this is well below the 300 - 350mg you really need to get something from it.

as above you need a serm for pct (what you have won’t do anything to help kick start your hpta which you are just about going to suppress).

do you know you had low test through blood work or do you think you do? If you actually have low test you’d be far better off getting on prescription trt first and then adding things on top

what are doing now will simply worsen your test levels 🤷
 
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you would have been better off if you asked for help before loading up....just a headsup :)
 
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i just started yesterday, what would you change, and hopefully i can use all that i got at some point so it doesnt go to waist
 
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i just started yesterday, what would you change, and hopefully i can use all that i got at some point so it doesnt go to waist
number 1 all sarms sites aren't equal..number 2 hi-tech is known for low dosing. oral 1-andro and 4-andro should be dosed at 300mg each.
 
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You'd be wise to have a serm, Clomiphene or Tamoxifene for example for your pct. Preferably have your pct on hand before starting the cycle. You wouldn't be the first nor the last person to have to quit their cycle sooner, than planned. Many things can happen that forces you to end the cycle sooner. You want to have your pct ready, if that happens.

You can use all the stuff you mentioned. Arimistane can help lower cortisol levels and have a mild aromatase inhibitation, so you can add it to your pct. I'd use the Liver rx on cycle, but you can use it in pct too, I guess. It probably has NAC and Milk Thistle and maybe something else of the basic liver health supps in it. GW on cycle or pct, sure. Move the test booster to pct or after pct. With MK you'd probably be better off doing 8 days on 4 days off. It can be run in pct and after aswell. 10 mg of Rad is a lil low, but for your first run, ok I guess. Might want to bump it up at some point later in the cycle, if no issues occur. Like said typical minimun dose for 1- and 4-Andro is 300 mg. So if the Hi-Tech 250 mg is 100 mg of 1-Andro + 150 mg of 4-Andro for example, then with 2 caps you'd be getting possibly enough 4-Andro for your "base" to have some estrogen and a little test to keep you feeling ok and functional. The 1-Andro could add a little to gains/performance. But we don't know the doses of each in the product though. So 2 caps at minimun, 3 would be better and spread them out, due to short half life.

What Whisky pointed out about your T levels and trt is a valid point too. Think about it.

Would be wise to check some health markers too while running your cycle, to see if anything is alarming or if you're good to keep going with the run. Then some time after pct to check again, that everything is in order and you've recovered.
 
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You'd be wise to have a serm, Clomiphene or Tamoxifene for example for your pct. Preferably have your pct on hand before starting the cycle. You wouldn't be the first nor the last person to have to quit their cycle sooner, than planned. Many things can happen that forces you to end the cycle sooner. You want to have your pct ready, if that happens.

You can use all the stuff you mentioned. Arimistane can help lower cortisol levels and have a mild aromatase inhibitation, so you can add it to your pct. I'd use the Liver rx on cycle, but you can use it in pct too, I guess. It probably has NAC and Milk Thistle and maybe something else of the basic liver health supps in it. GW on cycle or pct, sure. Move the test booster to pct or after pct. With MK you'd probably be better off doing 8 days on 4 days off. It can be run in pct and after aswell. 10 mg of Rad is a lil low, but for your first run, ok I guess. Might want to bump it up at some point later in the cycle, if no issues occur. Like said typical minimun dose for 1- and 4-Andro is 300 mg. So if the Hi-Tech 250 mg is 100 mg of 1-Andro + 150 mg of 4-Andro for example, then with 2 caps you'd be getting possibly enough 4-Andro for your "base" to have some estrogen and a little test to keep you feeling ok and functional. The 1-Andro could add a little to gains/performance. But we don't know the doses of each in the product though. So 2 caps at minimun, 3 would be better and spread them out, due to short half life.

What Whisky pointed out about your T levels and trt is a valid point too. Think about it.

Would be wise to check some health markers too while running your cycle, to see if anything is alarming or if you're good to keep going with the run. Then some time after pct to check again, that everything is in order and you've recovered.
it might be nice to know what site he got sarms from-eh?

i don't mess with sarms but i've heard there is a lot of bunk stuff... just sayin
 
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i just started yesterday, what would you change, and hopefully i can use all that i got at some point so it doesnt go to waist
The problem is that you don't have high enough doses of the products your using to get results, it's actually counterproductive. The best way I can explain it is you're going to be taking something that's going to shut down or negatively impact your hormone levels, but the stuff you are taking isn't enough to make progress so you're actually replacing your hormones with less hormones in a sense.

It's like If you had say 500 test levels naturally and you started injecting 20mg of testosterone per week, it would start to shutdown your natural production and replace it with a much lower amount of testosterone. If you did that you will slowly start loosing muscle and feel like crap. Your kinda doing the same thing.

I would stop taking these things, find a better dosed product or buy more to add to it.

All the Andros you want about 300+mg per week of each.
 
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Andro cycles are the most expensive cycles you can run if your doing them right.

Also to get any results from anything you need to be on it a lot longer then 4 weeks, 1 bottle of anything over the counter isn't going to do you any good
 
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Andro cycles are the most expensive cycles you can run if your doing them right.

Also to get any results from anything you need to be on it a lot longer then 4 weeks, 1 bottle of anything over the counter isn't going to do you any good
ah yes, but then there is the legality of andros. :)
 
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Ya I get that, the point I'm trying to make is most people see that stuff pick up one bottle of one thing and think they have a cycle. Doesn't really work that way
i agree. :)
 
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👍 The only Andro I still use is epiandro, but I always make sure to pick up like four bottles at a time cuz you kind of got to 🤷

Even if I'm stacking it on top of trt and not really looking for anything other than just that feel good effect I still go through a bottle of month
 
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the sarms on the recommended dosing that i read for beginners ,i have enough for a 14 week cycle, the dosage i read would be rad and gw is 10mg a day and mk 25mg a day, if those dosages are too small i have no problem upping the mg per day as i was not planning on going for 14 weeks, i was thinking maybe 10, as for the Halodrol the box does say i can take 2 a day, so i will def have to buy more of that.
 
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👍 The only Andro I still use is epiandro, but I always make sure to pick up like four bottles at a time cuz you kind of got to 🤷

Even if I'm stacking it on top of trt and not really looking for anything other than just that feel good effect I still go through a bottle of month
high doses of solo epiandro increases my bp, but if i run it together with androsterone the increase isn't as much, but thats just me....i'm a huge fan of ultra hard together with oral epi.
 
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the sarms on the recommended dosing that i read for beginners ,i have enough for a 14 week cycle, the dosage i read would be rad and gw is 10mg a day and mk 25mg a day, if those dosages are too small i have no problem upping the mg per day as i was not planning on going for 14 weeks, i was thinking maybe 10, as for the Halodrol the box does say i can take 2 a day, so i will def have to buy more of that.
10mg rad is fine, 10gw is fine, mk kinda produces similar results at 12.5 as it does 25. I've even used 12.5mg 5x a week and still got similar results to 25 daily, we were talking about the hi tech product you bought, those are Andros. Those are the ones you really need to be properly dosed.

A couple things you might want to keep in mind. Gw and mk are not sarms. Rad is a sarm.

Sarms have no estrogen conversion, which sounds good but it's not, after 6-8 weeks on rad if your estrogen was to crash say goodbye to your energy and your sexual function.

That's where your Andro comes in, 4 Andro at 300ish mg per day will give you a little test and estrogen to keep those things up to par.

I also don't like the all in one Andro products because 1-andro may give you some issues on its own, always better off buying the products separately so you can control doses.

Last thing is that your attempting to use like 5 different products you never used before, if you start getting side effects you have no way to know which product is causing the problem.

I would just use rad and 4 Andro and call it a wrap
 
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And the legal over the counter PCT products don't work, there really just natural test boosters and they don't do much, pick up a serm
 
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And the legal over the counter PCT products don't work, there really just natural test boosters and they don't do much, pick up a serm
it might be nice to know what site he got sarms from-eh?

i don't mess with sarms but i've heard there is a lot of bunk stuff... just sayin

i got them from chemyo
 

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I would advise you to consider hcg as a base also.
Its often overlooked, but it will provide other benefits that even injectable test wont.

It will keep your gonads alive and make recovery easier, also well being and libido will be better. Speaking from experience.

In all actaulity it might be the best choice for a test base, unless you are looking for additional anabolic properties of injectable testosterone.

Idk why that is, but i always feel off without hcg, so its kinda a must for me.
 
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I would advise you to consider hcg as a base also.
Its often overlooked, but it will provide other benefits that even injectable test wont.

It will keep your gonads alive and make recovery easier, also well being and libido will be better. Speaking from experience.

In all actaulity it might be the best choice for a test base, unless you are looking for additional anabolic properties of injectable testosterone.

Idk why that is, but i always feel off without hcg, so its kinda a must for me.
Pretty sure he's not trying to inject anything going by the sarms and Andros layout
 

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