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Judging correct dose if ai on cycle relating to gyno

puffynips

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So I'm currently in the middle of a 12 week test cycle and I'm struggling to determine what dose arimidex I personally should take -I know it differs from person to person. I know most people say start on 1/2mg either e3d or e2d. I can't get bloods taken at present so am trying to judge it from symptoms. The only one that I notice is a slight sensitivity around the nips other than that no obvious water retention at all and the cycles going great. The sensitivity comes and goes randomly every couple of days. I'm more paranoid having once got rebound gyno from SD Matrix but should I be concerned? Is on/off slight sensitivity normal or should I be upping my ai, coz I could really do without a pair of tits... Cheers all!
 
I'd start at 1/2mg E3D and work up if nips are sore/ itchy at all.
 
RickyBlobby said:
I'd start at 1/2mg E3D and work up if nips are sore/ itchy at all.
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Hey man thanks for your response. I guess that pretty much answers it. I'm on 1/2 E2D atm so I'll try upping it to 1mg E2D. I'd def rather be safe than sorry. Are there obvious symptoms of taking more than needed?
 
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Itchy nips are a symptom, but beware of psychological gyno symptoms.

Lumps behind nips and water retention (is your wedding ring tighter?) are better indicators IMHO.

Personally I say, no symptoms, no AI.

I have a (crazy) friend who cruises on a gram of Test (a week), no AI and has done for years. Is he going to die early? I think so, does he suffer any high E symptoms? No, he's a ****in beast!
 
Low E can cause joint dryness, lethargy, loss of libido funky mood etc..
 
Smart people get an E2 test and other people listen to message board strangers.

The symptoms of low E can mimic some of the symptoms of high E.

Randomly using an AI is a mistake.
 
B5150 said:
Smart people get an E2 test and other people listen to message board strangers.

The symptoms of low E can mimic some of the symptoms of high E.

Randomly using an AI is a mistake.
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He stated in the original post he couldn't get bloodwork done. If he ups the dose, itchy nips goo away and start feeling sides, its likely low E not high E. I'm sure he is smart enough to figure that out.
 
I never go above 0.25 cause its literally makes me wanna sleep every 5 hours. You'd be right saying people react differently. Test e I like to wait 2-3 weeks before using the ai and then start at 0.25 but since everyone else almost runs it at 0.5 maybe that's the average tolerance I don't know.

Do you have a high body fat? If so you'd be more prone to this and while it would be smart to completly avoid aas, it will most likely mean you're more sensitive to this.
 
Chados said:
Do you have a high body fat? If so you'd be more prone to this and while it would be smart to completly avoid aas, it will most likely mean you're more sensitive to this.
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18%bf at the start of cycle and never had problems keeping my weight down -pretty much the opposite, I aim for at a min of 4000 cal a day and burn through that too easily. I would eat more but find it too hard to get down me..hence the use of AAS. I think the sensitivity I'm experiencing might relate more to the PH's that I used to kick start the cycle. Horrible things won't be touching those things again.
 
I've read that using an ai at the correct dose on cycle doesn't just block estrogen but increases test as a result of its action. Is this true?
 
Maybe a gram of coke
 
B5150 said:
And that swing is acceptable to you? Good luck to all of you.
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It's acceptable for a lot of us. Experimenting with peds is largely about going by feel. If you can't work stuff out by trial and error then your screwed. Different ai doses work differently for different people. Some people benefit from dosing every day, some every other day some every third day and then you get different dosages themselves. Unless your seriously suggesting you get bloods checked every day whilst you get the dose right even you have to admit that trying something out is the way to go. Low e can sometimes have similar symptoms to low t so I get where bloods would identify this but if you can't get that done just try the ai for a week and see how you feel.
 
Wobmarvel said:
It's acceptable for a lot of us. Experimenting with peds is largely about going by feel. If you can't work stuff out by trial and error then your screwed. Different ai doses work differently for different people. Some people benefit from dosing every day, some every other day some every third day and then you get different dosages themselves. Unless your seriously suggesting you get bloods checked every day whilst you get the dose right even you have to admit that trying something out is the way to go. Low e can sometimes have similar symptoms to low t so I get where bloods would identify this but if you can't get that done just try the ai for a week and see how you feel.
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When high and low symptoms mimic that is silly.

I run a fixed dose of test and AI for a fixed period and my experiments resulted in data and evidence. That is an acceptable experiment. Its not s game nor rocket science.
 
B5150 said:
When high and low symptoms mimic that is silly.

I run a fixed dose of test and AI for a fixed period and my experiments resulted in data and evidence. That is an acceptable experiment. Its not s game nor rocket science.
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I'm not bothered about data and evidence, more bothered about results. If I had bloods taken and estrogen was high but I feel a million bucks and show no negative symptoms, I'm not gonna start an ai just because the data says so. Same if I was getting itchy, puffy nipples and lumps appearing I'm not gonna waste time getting bloods done I'm going to start dealing with the issue. If I got bloods done and they showed that estrogen wasn't actually that high I'm not going to ignore it because the data says so. I feel bloods are great to find your starting point and also to analyse your pct recovery but if I start feeling something is up mid cycle I have done enough to be able to try a few things based on the symptoms without waiting for a blood test to tell me what I probably already know. But each to his own.
 
So when you feel good but the data says you've crashed your estrogen, your lipids are trashed and your bone minerals and density are wasting your results matter...
 
B5150 said:
So when you feel good but the data says you've crashed your estrogen, your lipids are trashed and your bone minerals and density are wasting your results matter...
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If all that was going on then I doubt you would feel good. If it showed estrogen was higher or lower than normal though I wouldn't necessarily act on it if I felt great. But yes getting bloods done every week would be the perfect scenario to properly gauge the full effects of your cycle. Not sure people really do that though. If you get them done with no point of reference then they are not as useful. Most guys (who actually get bloods done) get a pre and post cycle and possibly a mid cycle if they are feeling somethings up but as I said if they feel great that probably doesn't happen. I don't expect you to agree with me and I don't think your wrong it's just my oppinion on why bloods are not necessarily the first port of call if I felt I was getting gyno symptoms.
 
Bloods every week? 16 weeks cycle static dose test and AI and test every 4 weeks. Adjust if required along the way.

Now you know X amount of test with X amount of AI results supported by data. Done.

Some us have done this a while.
 
B5150 said:
Bloods every week? 16 weeks cycle static dose test and AI and test every 4 weeks. Adjust if required along the way.

Now you know X amount of test with X amount of AI results supported by data. Done.

Some us have done this a while.
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That's fair enough. If results come back and estrogen is a little low do you still tweak dosages if you feel great and are getting great results or do you wait another 4 weeks to see if it drops further on the next test?
 
Wobmarvel said:
That's fair enough. If results come back and estrogen is a little low do you still tweak dosages if you feel great and are getting great results or do you wait another 4 weeks to see if it drops further on the next test?
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Within range low - no. Out of range low yes.

Edit - regardless of feeling low estrogen is bad for my health.
 
I'm on my first cycle of test e. 600 mg a week. Results have been ****ing fantastic. I started to get slightly sensitive nips around week 4 so I started .25 adex every other day but became extremely lethargic. Since then I switched it to .25 the day after i pin and so far its seemed to be the perfect ratio. I'll be getting mid cycle bloods done next week. I'm at the end of my 7th week now.....my point is, start your dose low and gauge your body as the day goes by. I'm also about 23% bf.
 
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