SicTib
New member
First off I've been training for about 6 years now off and on. I say this because I have had spans where I train hard for 2 years or so and then slack off, and then on again. NO more of this from me though. I am 5'9 weight fluctuates around 210 or so and about 15% BF guessing from other members pics i've seen and 27. I just started training MAX-OT style again, I had some really good success with this earlier this year cycled off of it and now back on it again.
I've been doing a lot of research on these boards now, like the title says about a year and a half or so. I want to make sure that everything is right this time around. About 2 years ago I bought some original SD from a supplement store and was also sold some Novedex XT for my PCT. Of course I was not told this was a steroid or even a hormone for that matter. Also the words PCT were not used either, just take 2-3 pills a day of this (SD) and when its gone take the Novedex XT at the recomended doses and you'll be fine. Anyways long story short I developed some delayed GNYO afterwards and was then sold some formestane and was told that would take care of it, and it did for a short time and then it rebounded. But it is my body, and it is my fault for being naive and putting something into it without doing the proper research. :fool2:
I have clicked on the link that Mulletsoldier created to see if it is real GYNO, although I was pretty sure of it anyways, and ran through the test and there is tissue behind the nipple and areola about the size of a quarter and thick. I do notice that when I work out it is not as noticeable because of the pump but the lump is still there nevertheless.
I really wanted to be able to run raloxifene as I have read from Dr. D, that it does wonders on removing the tissue, but after months of research on "Google" could not find it so Epi it is. I need some help on deciding whether or not I should use Toremifene Citrate or Nolvadex? I have heard great things about toremifene and it looks like on poops log that it "brought the boys back quickly," but Poops also said the toremifene did not do any more for the gyno during the PCT, and I was hoping maybe using nolva instead of toremifine that is would continue to attack it.
This cycle is pretty much taken from Poops log a while back, and also Mmowry. Compared to some logs I have read what I have planned might seem overkill to some, but I am leaning on the safe side here and do not want any rebound after cycle, which is why I have read all up on thesinner's guide to PCT, and running ATD inverse to SERM's, etc. And why I am posting this on here to see if there is anything I might be missing or going overkill on and also help on dosing, and or placement of the suppliments. I know this is really detailed, but I want to have everything out there so I can make sure everything is right.
Epistane:
I am looking to does this at 20mg throughout the 4 weeks maybe 5. From what I have read this seems to be a good dose at reducing the tissue without making the situation worse. I have seen those that have raised the dose to 30-40 or more have seen the tissue come back as soon as it had left. Although it would be nice to dose higher and get gains like Poops did, but I might just play it on the safe side here.
weeks 1-4 20/20/20/20-possibly and extra week depending on size of tissue
Nolva/torem citrate: I found a place where to get actual Nolva 20 mg tabs, instead of the citrate version, so I assume there will be no need to dose it any higher than 20 mg throughout. I have seen others adding HCG along with this, but I was thinking that I probably would not need that this time around. But I do want to run an anti-aromatase at about towards the beginning of the 4th week of the nolva. I found some aromasin but that stuff is expensive so I was wondering if I could substitute it with Inhibit-E, but if not i'll pay the money to do this right.
Again not both one or the other
Nolva weeks 5-8 20/20/20/10?
Toremifine citrate 5-8 120(last day of epi)90mg(5 days)75mg(6days)60mg(9days)30mg till finished
Inhibit-E/aromasin I was not sure exactly how to dose this and when to start it. If I should start it at the end of nolva/torem at recomened doses or ramp up then down?
In poops log he also rain a Anti-estro (hyperdrol x-2) along with test booster (Mass Fx)
In my stash I have Post Cycle Support, Cissus Drol (AE), Activa TE (booster) and Lean Xtreme (cortisol) I was wondering at what dose, if and when these should go in there, maybe after the Nolva/Torem and Inhibit-e, turning this into a 12-16 week cycle and post cycle therapy? Again I am asking because I am not sure if I will need to add these or not and at what dose. I have seen more and more people making their post cycle longer tappering down to avoid any rebound. And I do not plan on doing a cycle after this for quite some time and possibly never again.
Supporting Supps:
Orange triad week 1-4 (longer if I can afford it =)
Ragnarok caffeine free week 5-8 pre w/o
IBE- Cycle Support week 1-4
CLA all cycle
Fish Oil all cycle
Scivation Xtend all cycle
Powerfull week 5-8 3960 mg (1320mg x3 ed)
Poseidon (rejuvination stack) week 2-4 20g( 5g x 4ed )
Anabolic Pump with high carb meal
Pslin pre-workout
I'll be training Max-Ot style 5 days a week sometimes 4 depends on my work schedule. I ride my bike most days from work to the gym which is about 1 1/2 miles. On days I do not ride I do at least 15 min of cardio after workout slower paced about 130 heart rate. I am making changes to follow Scivations Lean mass diet along with the Nutrient Timing diet. Here is an example of a days meal with variations of course, and lower calls on non-workout days.
Morning;
4 eggs 2 servings of grape nuts (bananas) 2 cups 1% or skim milk.
Cals Protein Carbs Fat
920 54 96 40
2nd meal (2hrs later)
Protein Shake 3 scoops + Black eyed peas (baked beans) this changes up + fish oil
952 110 77 20
3rd meal (2hrs later)
salad two cans albecore tuna fat free or light dressing cruetons and almonds
700 65 50 40
4th Meal (1 1/2 before workout)
2 Servings Oatmeal large canned white chicken or (3 pieces of cooked teryaki chicken)
780 72 80 16
5th meal ( dinner whatever the wife makes =) pork chops/rice/potatoes/hamburger helper/chicken etc) Smaller servings here especially with the carbs.
600
Bed time meal 10:30 p.m. or later
4 eggs w 1 piece of wheat peta bread
400 32 25 24
total
4352 360 +/- 360 +/- 160+/-
I forgot to count this but I also down a G2 with liquid protein right after my workout because surge with shipping costs to alaska is pretty expensive since there are only a few places you can buy it from and shipping is as much as the product to get it here. And with each meal most times I eat some green beans.
Critique away guys I appreciate all of the help that i have already been given from here with the search button, and all of you who have run some great logs, wish I would have found this place years ago.
I've been doing a lot of research on these boards now, like the title says about a year and a half or so. I want to make sure that everything is right this time around. About 2 years ago I bought some original SD from a supplement store and was also sold some Novedex XT for my PCT. Of course I was not told this was a steroid or even a hormone for that matter. Also the words PCT were not used either, just take 2-3 pills a day of this (SD) and when its gone take the Novedex XT at the recomended doses and you'll be fine. Anyways long story short I developed some delayed GNYO afterwards and was then sold some formestane and was told that would take care of it, and it did for a short time and then it rebounded. But it is my body, and it is my fault for being naive and putting something into it without doing the proper research. :fool2:
I have clicked on the link that Mulletsoldier created to see if it is real GYNO, although I was pretty sure of it anyways, and ran through the test and there is tissue behind the nipple and areola about the size of a quarter and thick. I do notice that when I work out it is not as noticeable because of the pump but the lump is still there nevertheless.
I really wanted to be able to run raloxifene as I have read from Dr. D, that it does wonders on removing the tissue, but after months of research on "Google" could not find it so Epi it is. I need some help on deciding whether or not I should use Toremifene Citrate or Nolvadex? I have heard great things about toremifene and it looks like on poops log that it "brought the boys back quickly," but Poops also said the toremifene did not do any more for the gyno during the PCT, and I was hoping maybe using nolva instead of toremifine that is would continue to attack it.
This cycle is pretty much taken from Poops log a while back, and also Mmowry. Compared to some logs I have read what I have planned might seem overkill to some, but I am leaning on the safe side here and do not want any rebound after cycle, which is why I have read all up on thesinner's guide to PCT, and running ATD inverse to SERM's, etc. And why I am posting this on here to see if there is anything I might be missing or going overkill on and also help on dosing, and or placement of the suppliments. I know this is really detailed, but I want to have everything out there so I can make sure everything is right.
Epistane:
I am looking to does this at 20mg throughout the 4 weeks maybe 5. From what I have read this seems to be a good dose at reducing the tissue without making the situation worse. I have seen those that have raised the dose to 30-40 or more have seen the tissue come back as soon as it had left. Although it would be nice to dose higher and get gains like Poops did, but I might just play it on the safe side here.
weeks 1-4 20/20/20/20-possibly and extra week depending on size of tissue
Nolva/torem citrate: I found a place where to get actual Nolva 20 mg tabs, instead of the citrate version, so I assume there will be no need to dose it any higher than 20 mg throughout. I have seen others adding HCG along with this, but I was thinking that I probably would not need that this time around. But I do want to run an anti-aromatase at about towards the beginning of the 4th week of the nolva. I found some aromasin but that stuff is expensive so I was wondering if I could substitute it with Inhibit-E, but if not i'll pay the money to do this right.
Again not both one or the other
Nolva weeks 5-8 20/20/20/10?
Toremifine citrate 5-8 120(last day of epi)90mg(5 days)75mg(6days)60mg(9days)30mg till finished
Inhibit-E/aromasin I was not sure exactly how to dose this and when to start it. If I should start it at the end of nolva/torem at recomened doses or ramp up then down?
In poops log he also rain a Anti-estro (hyperdrol x-2) along with test booster (Mass Fx)
In my stash I have Post Cycle Support, Cissus Drol (AE), Activa TE (booster) and Lean Xtreme (cortisol) I was wondering at what dose, if and when these should go in there, maybe after the Nolva/Torem and Inhibit-e, turning this into a 12-16 week cycle and post cycle therapy? Again I am asking because I am not sure if I will need to add these or not and at what dose. I have seen more and more people making their post cycle longer tappering down to avoid any rebound. And I do not plan on doing a cycle after this for quite some time and possibly never again.
Supporting Supps:
Orange triad week 1-4 (longer if I can afford it =)
Ragnarok caffeine free week 5-8 pre w/o
IBE- Cycle Support week 1-4
CLA all cycle
Fish Oil all cycle
Scivation Xtend all cycle
Powerfull week 5-8 3960 mg (1320mg x3 ed)
Poseidon (rejuvination stack) week 2-4 20g( 5g x 4ed )
Anabolic Pump with high carb meal
Pslin pre-workout
I'll be training Max-Ot style 5 days a week sometimes 4 depends on my work schedule. I ride my bike most days from work to the gym which is about 1 1/2 miles. On days I do not ride I do at least 15 min of cardio after workout slower paced about 130 heart rate. I am making changes to follow Scivations Lean mass diet along with the Nutrient Timing diet. Here is an example of a days meal with variations of course, and lower calls on non-workout days.
Morning;
4 eggs 2 servings of grape nuts (bananas) 2 cups 1% or skim milk.
Cals Protein Carbs Fat
920 54 96 40
2nd meal (2hrs later)
Protein Shake 3 scoops + Black eyed peas (baked beans) this changes up + fish oil
952 110 77 20
3rd meal (2hrs later)
salad two cans albecore tuna fat free or light dressing cruetons and almonds
700 65 50 40
4th Meal (1 1/2 before workout)
2 Servings Oatmeal large canned white chicken or (3 pieces of cooked teryaki chicken)
780 72 80 16
5th meal ( dinner whatever the wife makes =) pork chops/rice/potatoes/hamburger helper/chicken etc) Smaller servings here especially with the carbs.
600
Bed time meal 10:30 p.m. or later
4 eggs w 1 piece of wheat peta bread
400 32 25 24
total
4352 360 +/- 360 +/- 160+/-
I forgot to count this but I also down a G2 with liquid protein right after my workout because surge with shipping costs to alaska is pretty expensive since there are only a few places you can buy it from and shipping is as much as the product to get it here. And with each meal most times I eat some green beans.
Critique away guys I appreciate all of the help that i have already been given from here with the search button, and all of you who have run some great logs, wish I would have found this place years ago.
