Is this a safe and logical cycle

[Hursty88]

Test Cyp 500mg week
Tue / Fri
week 1-10

Deca 375mg week
Tue
Week 1-10

Test prop 100mg EOD
Mon, wed, fri
Week 12-15

Winstrol 50mg ED
Week 12-15

Arimidex .25mg week (if required)
Tue
Week 1-11

Nolva pct
.40mg ED
Week 16-17
.20mg ED
Week 18-19

 

[hairygrandpa]

PCT looks weak to me. AI seems low too.

 

[Matthersby]

PCT looks weak to me. AI seems low too.

Thinking Clomid 75/75/50/50 also ?

 

[Matthersby]

Just reread. Logical? Maybe not.

Prop 1-4
Deca 1-14
Winnie (whenever you want)
Caber or Prami on hand in case you get limp noodle.

 

[Old Witch]

Just reread. Logical? Maybe not.

Prop 1-4
Deca 1-14
Winnie (whenever you want)
Caber or Prami on hand in case you get limp noodle.

I think he’s switching to prop to try and dry out at the end.

Dude definitely needs the caber on hand, and probably up the AI quite a bit.

More like 0,25mg EOD Adex with all that going on...

And definitely run the Deca the whole time for sure.

 

[Matthersby]

I think he’s switching to prop to try and dry out at the end.

Dude definitely needs the caber on hand, and probably up the AI quite a bit.

More like 0,25mg EOD Adex with all that going on...

And definitely run the Deca the whole time for sure.

Ya I guess it doesn’t matter when he runs the prop, it’s just going to be a boring first month on those 2, and Deca takes too damn long to get off 10 weeks in.
I tail end all sorts of stuff but usually orals.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Thinking Clomid 75/75/50/50 also ?

This.
Nowadays I would do it like:
Clomid: 75mg eod 7 times/50mg e3d 4 times/ 25mg e4d 2 times
Starting EOD and keeping same dosage while prolonging off days to E3D, later to E4D tapered down. Saw it as a TRT approach with incredible results in blood labs, like upped test by 300% after a few weeks.
Personally no nolva, better results with clomid and no IGF-1 suppression.

 

[Matthersby]

This.
Nowadays I would do it like:
Clomid: 75mg eod 7 times/50mg e3d 4 times/ 25mg e4d 2 times
Starting EOD and keeping same dosage while prolonging off days to E3D, later to E4D tapered down. Saw it as a TRT approach with incredible results in blood labs, like upped test by 300% after a few weeks.
Personally no nolva, better results with clomid and no IGF-1 suppression.

Clomid smokes Nolvadex, on every front. I figured the whole ClomidNolva protocol was just for overkill or to keep rebound gyno at bay. Regardless, it’ll do the job, but nothing even close to as well as clomid. I had a buddy about ready to get on TRT, but not quite, was still high 400s or so.
50mg clomid for 3 weeks put him at 1080.
4 weeks after cessation he was still over 900.
Stuff is a staple in kickstart protocols for a reason.

 

[hairygrandpa]

Clomid smokes Nolvadex, on every front. I figured the whole ClomidNolva protocol was just for overkill or to keep rebound gyno at bay. Regardless, it’ll do the job, but nothing even close to as well as clomid. I had a buddy about ready to get on TRT, but not quite, was still high 400s or so.
50mg clomid for 3 weeks put him at 1080.
4 weeks after cessation he was still over 900.
Stuff is a staple in kickstart protocols for a reason.

Yes, I think so too. The EOD clomid is dope. It gives way better results apparently, don't ask me why.
I wouldn't do the cycle like OP does at all.
IF I would use deca and test, it would be like:


-Test 250mg/w
-Test prop or NPP kickstart
-Deca 600mg/w
-Proviron 75-125mg/d
-adex 0.5mg e3d
-caber at hand (probably not needed, proviron does the control of prolactin and e2, also prevents deca dick)
-NPP after cessation of deca for a few days, for as long deca needs to leave the building
-PCT as described EOD protocol clomid but with 25mg/d proviron, upping proviron to 75mg/d, after clomid ends for rebound control and for about a week.

 

[Matthersby]

Yes, I think so too. The EOD clomid is dope. It gives way better results apparently, don't ask me why.
I wouldn't do the cycle like OP does at all.
IF I would use deca and test, it would be like:


-Test 250mg/w
-Test prop or NPP kickstart
-Deca 600mg/w
-Proviron 75-125mg/d
-adex 0.5mg e3d
-caber at hand (probably not needed, proviron does the control of prolactin and e2, also prevents deca dick)
-NPP after cessation of deca for a few days, for as long deca needs to leave the building
-PCT as described EOD protocol clomid but with 25mg/d proviron, upping proviron to 75mg/d, after clomid ends for rebound control and for about a week.

Yup. Like it all.