Is there a sup that makes your muscles tight and pumped? Without necessarily being a pump pre workout?

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Hello guys! Has been a lurker for years, decided to ask a question for a change!
The title says it all. Is there any supplement that makes your muscles tight? I remember I had a similar minor effect when I was using LJ100, got quite tight on that.
I known the description may be a little vague, but maybe you guys got something in your mind?
 
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ultra hard iconic formulations?definitely a very good option. i want to try it too.. but its a hormonal product.. very very mild without sides and i believe that it is very effective.
 
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ultra hard iconic formulations?definitely a very good option. i want to try it too.. but its a hormonal product.. very very mild without sides and i believe that it is very effective.
ultra hard speaks for itself...i will just add that THEBIGT saves 20% off at iconic formulations.
 
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CEL ANABOLIC EFFECT
For me, epicatechin works well and so does arimistane.
I agree with the ones mentioned in the above posts I quoted.

Anabolic Effect makes me feel fuller and tighter all the time when I run a cycle of it - on workout days and non-workout days. I remember in 2020 when I was in the middle of an Anabolic Effect cycle, we did an impromptu beach trip and I remember feeling the tightness type feeling that I think you're talking about every day even though I didn't train or eat right at all that week.

I also love Epi-Plex and think that that helps as well . Epi-Plex contains 300 mg. Epicatechin + 20 mg. Bioperine (for absorption) per capsule and I use it as part of my daily use supplement regimen. It definitely helps with the tight and hard feeling and is also the best thing I've ever used for muscular endurance.

Arimistane - I really like Eradicate-E by Muscle Addiction when I'm leaner and looking for that leaner, harder, dryer type effect.
 

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One that hasnt been mentioned


My muscles always seem to feel fuller when on a PS product
 
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One that hasnt been mentioned


My muscles always seem to feel fuller when on a PS product
plus the alpha-gpc is brain food.
 
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ultra hard iconic formulations?definitely a very good option. i want to try it too.. but its a hormonal product.. very very mild without sides and i believe that it is very effective.
This is one of my favorites for the pumped look.
 
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Sounds like you’re looking for that “on look” while being off cycle?

-A Nitric oxide pump product containing nitrates

OR

-Tadalafil

Plus:
-creatine
-arachidonic acid, if you can handle it
-low body fat %
 

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Thank you guys for your input! Looked through the forums and honestly got more answers and suggestions, that I could handle, haha.
It seems like the Ultra Hard and Iconic formulations in general are getting through the roof raves around here. Maybe That's what I'll go with!
Now to find a way to get it delivered to Europe, lol
 

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I agree with the ones mentioned in the above posts I quoted.

Anabolic Effect makes me feel fuller and tighter all the time when I run a cycle of it - on workout days and non-workout days. I remember in 2020 when I was in the middle of an Anabolic Effect cycle, we did an impromptu beach trip and I remember feeling the tightness type feeling that I think you're talking about every day even though I didn't train or eat right at all that week.

I also love Epi-Plex and think that that helps as well . Epi-Plex contains 300 mg. Epicatechin + 20 mg. Bioperine (for absorption) per capsule and I use it as part of my daily use supplement regimen. It definitely helps with the tight and hard feeling and is also the best thing I've ever used for muscular endurance.

Arimistane - I really like Eradicate-E by Muscle Addiction when I'm leaner and looking for that leaner, harder, dryer type effect.
Definitely . Epicatechin and arimistane both increase my contractions , vascularity and pumps considerably.

Another mention would actually be focus / nootropic type ingredients. Increasing the mind muscle connection can also aid in this
 

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Sounds like you’re looking for that “on look” while being off cycle?

-A Nitric oxide pump product containing nitrates

OR

-Tadalafil

Plus:
-creatine
-arachidonic acid, if you can handle it
-low body fat %
I miss that og bio gro, mane
 
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Thank you guys for your input! Looked through the forums and honestly got more answers and suggestions, that I could handle, haha.
It seems like the Ultra Hard and Iconic formulations in general are getting through the roof raves around here. Maybe That's what I'll go with!
Now to find a way to get it delivered to Europe, lol
That’s a hormonal product that you’d want to run ON CYCLE, or maybe stand alone, but it’s not a supplement. It shines pre workout, in combination with at least 1 and 4 andro.

Do you want to stay natural or go mildly enhanced?
 
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I miss that og bio gro, mane
Ha forgot about that one homie…If OG was still available, I might have included it in my list…but we’ll never know what was in it…I think it’s possible something was…but I’d rather know exactly what I’m taking, ya know what I’m sayin?

*The OG Nolvadren was a great product! I have one left, I found it hidden behind the newer ones a couple years ago at vitamin shopped.
 

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Ha forgot about that one homie…If OG was still available, I might have included it in my list…but we’ll never know what was in it…I think it’s possible something was…but I’d rather know exactly what I’m taking, ya know what I’m sayin?

*The OG Nolvadren was a great product! I have one left, I found it hidden behind the newer ones a couple years ago at vitamin shopped.
Oh yeah, may have been spiked as it worked pretty well. They did change the formula , though and I wonder if it was orally active igf. The new product does 0 and taste horrendous . If I recall, I remember recomp , nutrient partitioning and crazyyyy pumps. Can’t find the old bottles anywhere anymore
 

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That’s a hormonal product that you’d want to run ON CYCLE, or maybe stand alone, but it’s not a supplement. It shines pre workout, in combination with at least 1 and 4 andro.

Do you want to stay natural or go mildly enhanced?
In all honestly, I don't care about being natty or not as long as it doesn't cause any side effects. I am only 27 years old and wouldn't want to cause any damage to myself because of lack of knowledge, so trying to get to know as much as possible, before making any decisions. As of right now Ultra Hard, 1-Testosterone and Arimistane got the most of my interest, if I'm honest
 
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In all honestly, I don't care about being natty or not as long as it doesn't cause any side effects. I am only 27 years old and wouldn't want to cause any damage to myself because of lack of knowledge, so trying to get to know as much as possible, before making any decisions. As of right now Ultra Hard, 1-Testosterone and Arimistane got the most of my interest, if I'm honest
Just for a heads up, there's a lot to learn when entering the hormonal side of products. I recommend you do your research properly. Those 3 you mention here for example are 3 completely different products.
 

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Just for a heads up, there's a lot to learn when entering the hormonal side of products. I recommend you do your research properly. Those 3 you mention here for example are 3 completely different products.
Completely agree, don't have any plans to jump in red hot witouht any research. Just looking for advice, haha
 

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Agree with the above as well. I 100% agree that something like UltraHard or other products with Andro and Epiandro will definitely give you that hard, lean look, but they are prohormones, so as long as you are fine with that then there is no doubt it fits the bill. Most of us were trying to give more "natural" options if you didn't want to go that route.
 
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Epichaos from apex alchemy worked well for this if you’re open to the use of topicals. I experienced all day muscle fullness with spilanthes xt as well as vaso6 both by SNS. I saw cialis was mentioned, I agree here as well and I use tadadrive by supreme labs regularly for blood pressure support as well as pumps/fullness. Oh and also the boners 👍
 
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In all honestly, I don't care about being natty or not as long as it doesn't cause any side effects. I am only 27 years old and wouldn't want to cause any damage to myself because of lack of knowledge, so trying to get to know as much as possible, before making any decisions. As of right now Ultra Hard, 1-Testosterone and Arimistane got the most of my interest, if I'm honest
i think you would be very pleased with a Ultra Hard solo run...but lots of guys say that 1st cycle is the one they remember most-so Ultra Hard + a 1-andro product like Icon One would be a very nice combo for a 1st time run....personally i wouldn't run arimistane on cycle, maybe use in pct.

lots of options.
 

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i think you would be very pleased with a Ultra Hard solo run...but lots of guys say that 1st cycle is the one they remember most-so Ultra Hard + a 1-andro product like Icon One would be a very nice combo for a 1st time run....personally i wouldn't run arimistane on cycle, maybe use in pct.

lots of options.
Would that be an 8 week run? Is Sustain Alpha enough as a PCT?
 
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Would that be an 8 week run? Is Sustain Alpha enough as a PCT?
My opinion/estimation is that UH for 8 weeks followed by 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha would be fine and a fun run from start to finish, for most users. But when inserting 1-Andro to the mix, the suppression will likely become of a level, where a serm pct would be advised.
 
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Han Swolo from Black Lion Research. It has worked every time for me
I was just thinking this as well. Can't go wrong with BLR Han Swolo for pump!
 

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My opinion/estimation is that UH for 8 weeks followed by 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha would be fine and a fun run from start to finish, for most users. But when inserting 1-Andro to the mix, the suppression will likely become of a level, where a serm pct would be advised.
So UH doesn't require a sarm afterwards.
Is Alpha Seven the same? I mean 8 weeks of UH compared to 8 weeks of Alpha Seven? Would the results be drastically different from those two?
 
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So UH doesn't require a sarm afterwards.
Is Alpha Seven the same? I mean 8 weeks of UH compared to 8 weeks of Alpha Seven? Would the results be drastically different from those two?
@thebigt @cheftepesh1 and possibly other members can give better answers on that, than me, but A7 is Androsterone+7-keto and UH is Androsterone+Epiandro. I like UH and I like Epiandro in all forms. Have not tried A7 yet, but on paper I like UH more, cause' it has Epiandro. Epiandro is more in your face, to put it shortly. You should find alot of info and discussion on both products using the search function and on the Iconic subforum.

As for the need for a serm (not sarm), I gave my estimation above, but only way to know for sure for you would be to measure test levels via blood test before and on the last week of the run and based on those results, decide wether to use serm for pct or not. I would personally be comfortable with running either UH or A7 for 8 weeks with out serm pct, but that's just me.

I'm actually planning on running A7+Ultra Epi and measure lipids and hormones before and after, just cause' I'm curious. But that won't be before next fall. Will post the results here on AM.
 

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@thebigt @cheftepesh1 and possibly other members can give better answers on that, than me, but A7 is Androsterone+7-keto and UH is Androsterone+Epiandro. I like UH and I like Epiandro in all forms. Have not tried A7 yet, but on paper I like UH more, cause' it has Epiandro. Epiandro is more in your face, to put it shortly. You should find alot of info and discussion on both products using the search function and on the Iconic subforum.

As for the need for a serm (not sarm), I gave my estimation above, but only way to know for sure for you would be to measure test levels via blood test before and on the last week of the run and based on those results, decide wether to use serm for pct or not. I would personally be comfortable with running either UH or A7 for 8 weeks with out serm pct, but that's just me.

I'm actually planning on running A7+Ultra Epi and measure lipids and hormones before and after, just cause' I'm curious. But that won't be before next fall. Will post the results here on AM.
Thank you very much for the input! I appreciate it alot.
Maybe there are some generous reps that could hook me up with a discount on the iconic formulations? Thinking of going with 3 Sustain and 2 UH with an international shipping haha
 
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Thank you very much for the input! I appreciate it alot.
Maybe there are some generous reps that could hook me up with a discount on the iconic formulations? Thinking of going with 3 Sustain and 2 UH with an international shipping haha
It's just a lot of money being wasted if you're just looking for a good pump. I am not a rep, but, just a user. BLR Han Swolo is probably the cheapest pump product you can get and it's just 1 pill. I stopped taking during my arm and leg days because the pump was excruciating. Anyway, your money and your call. Just sharing my opinion. Good luck,
 

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It's just a lot of money being wasted if you're just looking for a good pump. I am not a rep, but, just a user. BLR Han Swolo is probably the cheapest pump product you can get and it's just 1 pill. I stopped taking during my arm and leg days because the pump was excruciating. Anyway, your money and your call. Just sharing my opinion. Good luck,
I was thinking of doing SA+Anabolic Effect for 8 weeks and after a break do Ultra Hard, but it's mostly an emotional desire at this moment
 
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Yeah I actually got to thinking, that I kind of hi-jacked this thread a little, lol. But it's your thread Naglish, so I guess it's ok. And I wanted to clarify, that you've gotten several good recommendations here, other than just the one's we've talked about. Niko mentioned CEL Anabolic Effect for exmaple. I like that too - strenght, performance, no sides. And Epichaos and Epi-Plex should be great too. If just looking for better pumps, I believe the Han Swolo to be good for that, like jtmass said.

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Yeah I actually got to thinking, that I kind of hi-jacked this thread a little, lol. But it's your thread Naglish, so I guess it's ok. And I wanted to clarify, that you've gotten several good recommendations here, other than just the one's we've talked about. Niko mentioned CEL Anabolic Effect for exmaple. I like that too - strenght, performance, no sides. And Epichaos or Epi-Plex should be great too. If just looking for better pumps, I believe the Han Swolo to be good for that, like jtmass said.

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No worries, I all up for people discussing what they want here, haha
 
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Thank you very much for the input! I appreciate it alot.
Maybe there are some generous reps that could hook me up with a discount on the iconic formulations? Thinking of going with 3 Sustain and 2 UH with an international shipping haha
Chef is code for iconic for 20% off
 
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So UH doesn't require a sarm afterwards.
Is Alpha Seven the same? I mean 8 weeks of UH compared to 8 weeks of Alpha Seven? Would the results be drastically different from those two?
I don’t know if the results would be drastic as it all depends on how you respond and how you use. Both should give great effects. As far as a serm question. I personally have not used one when using these products, but I have not had an issue with my protocols in the past. Some may need a serm for low dose cycles, so this would depend on your body as well.
 
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I don’t know if the results would be drastic as it all depends on how you respond and how you use. Both should give great effects. As far as a sarm question. I personally have not used one when using these products, but I have not had an issue with my protocols in the past. Some may need a sarm for low dose cycles, so this would depend on your body as well.
Don't want to be nitpicking, but you mean serm, not sarm = ) Some may get confused.
 
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Great suggestions.
Ultra Hard 8 weeks. I used it for 12 because I didn't want to stop. Guy at the gym gave me some Novla so I used that.
Han Swolo is nice for pump.
Warning: UH will spike your libido!
 
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Don't want to be nitpicking, but you mean serm, not sarm = ) Some may get confused.
Sorry was autocorrect. I was in therapy. Thank you for pointing out. I adjusted the post.
 

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Great suggestions.
Ultra Hard 8 weeks. I used it for 12 because I didn't want to stop. Guy at the gym gave me some Novla so I used that.
Han Swolo is nice for pump.
Warning: UH will spike your libido!
Do you need a break before running sustain alpha after 8 weeks of UH? I mean they both spoke libido, not that I'm against being a sex machine, but still
 
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Do you need a break before running sustain alpha after 8 weeks of UH? I mean they both spoke libido, not that I'm against being a sex machine, but still
Nah, SA should help bring your test production back up, if the UH has lowered it momentarily. When ever you're doing a pct wether otc or not, you want to start using the pct products as soon as the what ever suppressive compounds you've used are out of your system. So in this case you want to start the SA the next day after the las UH dose.
 
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Nah, SA should help bring your test production back up, if the UH has lowered it momentarily. When ever your doing a pct wether otc or not, you want to start using the pct products as soon as the what ever suppressive compounds you've used are out of your system. So in this case you want to start the SA the next day after the las UH dose.
Thank you very much! Feeling the start of 2022 is going to be great!
 
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So UH doesn't require a sarm afterwards.
Is Alpha Seven the same? I mean 8 weeks of UH compared to 8 weeks of Alpha Seven? Would the results be drastically different from those two?
a lot of guys use ultra epi and Alpha seven together--Ultra Epi has a huge amount of epi for a transdermal-the most by far of any trandermal product i know of, and when combined with Alpha Seven you get more of each ingredient+7-keto.
 

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a lot of guys use ultra epi and Alpha seven together--Ultra Epi has a huge amount of epi for a transdermal-the most by far of any trandermal product i know of, and when combined with Alpha Seven you get more of each ingredient+7-keto.
I assume you don't necessarily need PCT after this stack? Or maybe 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha as we discussed earlier?
 
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I assume you don't necessarily need PCT after this stack? Or maybe 4 weeks of Sustain Alpha as we discussed earlier?
i don't like to speak in generalities when it comes to pct, although i could say that most people would be good with sustain alpha, you might one who needs a serm-pct is subjective, imo--one size does not fit all.

@cheftepesh1 can hook you up with a serm at a decent price, if needed.
 

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i don't like to speak in generalities when it comes to pct, although i could say that most people would be good with sustain alpha, you might one who needs a serm-pct is subjective, imo--one size does not fit all.

@cheftepesh1 can hook you up with a serm at a decent price, if needed.
You guys are extremely generous, thank you! Eventually I'll certainly try it out
 
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You guys are extremely generous, thank you! Eventually I'll certainly try it out
andro's are the among the last legal homonals left for a good reason, although anything that affects hormones comes with risks, if you take the time to do it right they are relatively mild and safe compared to the PHs of the past, imo.

be safe and...

MERRY CHRISTMAS :)
 
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Do you need a break before running sustain alpha after 8 weeks of UH? I mean they both spoke libido, not that I'm against being a sex machine, but still
I would start the SA right after the last rub of AH. maybe I shouldn't of said Rub? :p
 

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