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Is Phosphatidic Acid better than Creatine?

blackjackcat said:
I have only used the OG King and was not impressed, but now it sounds like I needed to double dose it to get the desired effects. I will have to pick up some SL and give it another go. I have a much better luck with creatine, so my vote right now is for creatine.
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I really started to notice the difference at 4 tbsp of SL. If we're talking about Fearn, that's an estimated 2500 mg PA
 
kboxer7 said:
I really started to notice the difference at 4 tbsp of SL. If we're talking about Fearn, that's an estimated 2500 mg PA
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And you will notice a difference at 5 as well. Loving it at 5. Might go to 6 in two weeks or so and see how that goes. Testing out waters
 
Do the capsules work just as well as the granules?

I found "Spring Valley" Lecithin 1200mg/capsule
 
Nope granules only will get u that high ount, u will have to take 10 to 15 cap if not more to hit that high amount of pa.
 
Is Fearn still everyone's go to? I found Premier Lecithin Granules (give it a search brahs; can't post link)

Is this good and/or superior or would Fearn still be my better option?
 
MultiVitamin said:
Is Fearn still everyone's go to? I found Premier Lecithin Granules (give it a search brahs; can't post link)

Is this good and/or superior or would Fearn still be my better option?
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As per the labels, Fearn is superior. Idk what the variance is but I'd go with Fearn.
 
As far as we know, all of these SL products contain anywhere from 4-8% PA.

Fearn and Optima seem to be the safer options as they state the amount of PA (although it may not be the exact amount claimed) as well as stating 97% phosphatides.

I have only used Fearn and will more then likely stick with it.
 
kbayne said:
As far as we know, all of these SL products contain anywhere from 4-8% PA.

Fearn and Optima seem to be the safer options as they state the amount of PA (although it may not be the exact amount claimed) as well as stating 97% phosphatides.

I have only used Fearn and will more then likely stick with it.
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Sh!t is legit kbayne love that stuff man, it's on the next level while I'm using it with ara now..... goodness!
 
kbayne said:
As far as we know, all of these SL products contain anywhere from 4-8% PA.

Fearn and Optima seem to be the safer options as they state the amount of PA (although it may not be the exact amount claimed) as well as stating 97% phosphatides.

I have only used Fearn and will more then likely stick with it.
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How many tbsp are you using now?
 
NewAgeMayan said:
How come you split? I thought you were doing all pre. How you finding 5 compared to (less)?
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I think that's a good idea, smetimes I take 1 tbs few hours before workout and 2 pre, it feels better on stomach.
newage have u tried it with ara? Great stack.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
How come you split? I thought you were doing all pre. How you finding 5 compared to (less)?
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Mainly because studies used separate doses. I've done all 5 pre and no issues so it's not a case of GI distress or can't handle though.
 
NewAgeMayan said:
How come you split? I thought you were doing all pre. How you finding 5 compared to (less)?
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Don't want to speak on behalf of Kbayne, but for me personally, I'm now spacing about 3- 4 hours to try and crank up mTOR a second time. Like leucine, there is a timeframe to peak saturation after ingestion, mTOR activation, then a down period. I'm presuming, though it's just my thinking, that like with leucine, constant levels in he blood doesn't crank up mTOR for an extended period of time. Rather there is a latency period wherein ingesting more leucine does not result in more mTOR activation. With that said, I'm spacing with the highest dose pre (due to stressors impacting efficacy), then a 1/2 dose later on.

EDIT: Since I've started this protocol I'm doing 3-4 tbsp pre and another 2 at my second dosing
 
1 week update- PA is legit. The fullness and hardness of muscle is pronounced. I really feel it in my chest and quads. Kboxer7 - I am upping the dose to 4 tbst ---2 pre and 2 post. PA and Creatine together are synergistic from what I am experiencing. My only wish is I found out about it 30 years ago! I will update after my second week with the higher dose. Great recommendaction though my fellow anabolic minds. You guys rock!
 
Driven2lift said:
Nope.

Amounts of data and studies on creatine to benefit everything from performance to muscle mass to some cognitive markers.

More benefits, more tested, better results IMO
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I disagree

I can begin with my self first.
Creatine was meh, but PA was actually amazing. Size,strength,appetite increase,musclefullness etc.

I believe PA will be the new "creatine"

A friends of mine and my self got much more of 2-4g PA Than lets say even up to 20g creatine.

Creatine is one of best natural ingredients, no doubt about that. But my personal experience and what I have seen of my friends, PA is better

I am talking about results (not how many more benefits ,studies etc creatine has) :)
 
Danes said:
I disagree

I can begin with my self first.
Creatine was meh, but PA was actually amazing. Size,strength,appetite increase,musclefullness etc.

I believe PA will be the new "creatine"

A friends of mine and my self got much more of 2-4g PA Than lets say even up to 20g creatine.

Creatine is one of best natural ingredients, no doubt about that. But my personal experience and what I have seen of my friends, PA is better

I am talking about results (not how many more benefits ,studies etc creatine has) :)
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You had to save this for when a new topic will be started?!?!

:lol:
 
We shouldn't have to wait more than a couple of years for studies to start coming out about the efficacy of PA for muscle building. Ironically, without creatine's success, I doubt if PA is even "discovered" in the first place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my perception is that people are reacting to PA similarly to how they would have ArA when it first came out. Both seem to provide sensible acute effects that are convincing in a way something that acts subtly over the longer term like creatine can't be, even if those long term effects are greater. This poll could as easily be between creatine or ArA, if not for the inflammation variable.

Another key factor is that we are talking about muscle building, not cognitive benefits or anything else. Creatine may well be more versatile than PA as a supplement, but less useful for bodybuilding specifically.
 
roy_jones said:
We shouldn't have to wait more than a couple of years for studies to start coming out about the efficacy of PA for muscle building. Ironically, without creatine's success, I doubt if PA is even "discovered" in the first place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but my perception is that people are reacting to PA similarly to how they would have ArA when it first came out. Both seem to provide sensible acute effects that are convincing in a way something that acts subtly over the longer term like creatine can't be, even if those long term effects are greater. This poll could as easily be between creatine or ArA, if not for the inflammation variable.

Another key factor is that we are talking about muscle building, not cognitive benefits or anything else. Creatine may well be more versatile than PA as a supplement, but less useful for bodybuilding specifically.
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Studies are very promissing allready :)
I mean, those who have tried PA but felt little or almost nothing from it, they have not tried thr high enough dose TBH.
 
I ran out of lecithin granules after running it for several months straight. I was off for about a month and noticed a decrease in both size and strength. Been back on for about two weeks now and have gone back up in reps and fullness. I don't know if the strength aspect is placebo or not, but I can definitely notice a difference in the way my shirts fit.

I think even if PA is proven not to be effective I will continue using lecithin just because of all the other good **** in it. It is so cheap and is a good little snack in the am so I don't have to workout on a completely empty stomach.
 
Anyone here know if there's any benefit to running PA while "on-cycle"?

Also...is sunflower lecithin as good as soy lecithin?
 
monstermash said:
Anyone here know if there's any benefit to running PA while "on-cycle"? Also...is sunflower lecithin as good as soy lecithin?
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I'd save it for PCT tbh.

The body's environment is already anabolic and there isn't really a need to activate mTOR via another pathway while on cycle. I don't think it'd be worth it...BUT, if money isn't an issue it really wouldn't hurt either since you could run this both ON & OFF
 
Can somebody point me to a good product that contains PA or a straight PA product?

I never tried PA but I would like too try it since I never noticed any difference on Creatine...
 
alwaysfirst said:
Can somebody point me to a good product that contains PA or a straight PA product?

I never tried PA but I would like too try it since I never noticed any difference on Creatine...
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Fearn Soy Lecithin granuals are the best for bulk PA content at rock bottom prices.

Otherwise go with a product that has Mediator in it....just make sure it's dosed appropriately.
 
I personally noticed more from PA than I ever did from creatine in terms of how my physical appearance changed. I was on minimum dosage as well. creatine definitely more noticeable performance benefits though.
 
mcc23 said:
Swanson just as good as Fearn?
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No one knows for sure. As it's been stated numerous times, most products are likely containing 4-8% PA. We don't know the exact % of PA for each individual product.
 
machinehead said:
See below :)



In my experience, yes. And I like it better for the lack of gut inflammation/distension that comes with soy lecithin.
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That's good to hear. Maybe I'll have buy them both and see if i can tell the difference... Been trying to find some literature on it but haven't found anything that applies.
 
Spaniard said:
X2!
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High PA doses can be stacked with every Natty Product. (Combining natty products with Steroids would be total waste).
Dosing PA at 750mg, you would never know how capable this compound is .
Those who have tried just 750mg of PA should really try higher doses for more benefits(no sides either).
 
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