Is MAResearch enclo actually legit? (No hate, genuine question)

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I know that they are a board sponsor and MA is held in high regard throughout the BB community but I am bit skeptical just because:

1-It is significantly cheaper than competitors and at roughly the same price as competitor's clomid.
2-No published labs as far as I can tell
3-Doesn't use DMSO when most of the other legit formulas do (garlic/onion smell missing)

Has anyone done any independent testing to see if it is actually enclomiphene and not clomid? I'd like to support a board sponsor and MA but I just want to get a little bit of community feedback before I switch vendors.
 
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In for the answer, I am very interested in enclomiphene. I've been out of the gym and supps for awhile just returning but would have never guessed DMSO as an oral carrier.
 
I will let others more knowledgeable about this product chime in. There are labs posted on this site which demonstrates the effectiveness of MA's enclomiphene. My research efforts with other MA products (tada, nolva, exemestane) have all been successful. As far as I am concerned, the company is gtg. I am attaching a quote from Mike Arnold below which explains his perspective on pricing.
MA Research is now selling 5 mg for $106.25 with the 15% discount (which is am15). I just received these in the 5mg size and my price is lower than most. All research companies pay roughly the same price, as we're all getting it from similarly priced manufacturers. The main difference is how much profit the Research company wants to make. I looked at a dozen different companies for pricing...and decided to price mine lower than all of them. In fact, a lot of companies sell just 3 mg for less than what we charge for 5 mg.

Guys, please understand that everyone is getting this stuff from the same Chinese chemical plants...and all them charge roughly the same price. That's the reason I sell my Enclom for less than most. It's not that I pay less. Rather, I just make less per sale. I am doing the same with semaglutide, but hopefully I'll make up for it with greater overall sales. :) That's the plan, at least.
 
I can’t speak of the Enclo (I would use Clomid anyway) but everything else I used from MA have been good. Send him an email and I’m sure he give you an explanation.

Maybe @Smont can give a better answer.
 
I know that they are a board sponsor and MA is held in high regard throughout the BB community but I am bit skeptical just because:
Hello. I will provide you with explanations.

1-It is significantly cheaper than competitors and at roughly the same price as competitor's clomid.
You seem to be under the impression that because my product costs less than the competition (not everyone, but most), it is less likely to be legitimate. This misunderstanding derives from not understanding industry profit margins relative to the wholesale cost of these chemicals. So, once again, I am going to shoot this board straight and do something that almost no other company ever does; I am going to tell you what companies really pay for this stuff.

A kg of Enclomiphene varies depending on the manufacturer, but the average cost ranges between 10-17K (I have seen lower prices from some manufacturers, but I can't vouch for their quality). Even at the 17K price, 1 kg will provide me with 1,333 bottles when dosed at the standard 750 mg per bottle. That means each bottle costs $13.49. Add in bottle, cap, label, and heat seal cost and I'm at about $14.50. If someone pays only 10K per kg, they are looking at $7.50 per bottle ($8.50 all in). Are you now beginning to understand WHY my price is wholly reasonable?

The bottom line is that I have a better price because I can easily provide that price...plus a 15% discount...and still have a great profit margin.

2-No published labs as far as I can tell
I had my first two batches tested, but not since then (it's been about 8 month since my last lab test). Make no mistake, when you see labs posted by various companies, you have no way of knowing how many batches of product that company has purchased since their last lab test. Knowing what I know, I can say with absolute certainty that not a single company that I am personally aware of, tests all their batches. Most companies buy several batches of a product before finally re-testing...and even then, the main reason is because they feel like they need to in order to avoid people asking questions about year old lab tests.

My enclom is legitimate. Not only has the manufacturer been very reliable (I do not use a middle-man like most, but am in direct communication with a giant, highly reliable chemical manufacturing company), but if a manufacturer sells good stuff the first few times, they are likely to continue doing so. This is especially true when middle-men are not involved...because middle-men will often grab chems from whatever manufacturer they can, so you don't really know what manufacturer their chems come from. Lastly, enclomiphene has its own color, texture, solubility, scent, time & temp required to bring the chemical into solution, etc. Each batch I have purchased has always demonstrated the same exact characteristics.

Lastly, I just sent another batch away for testing at Vanguard Labs (a highly accredited, respected U.S. lab), as I am going to begin posting all my lab results...for every single product...right on my website. In fact, I just cut a deal to have all 200 chems tested for 38K. Results for all of them should be posted on the website within 4-6 weeks.

3-Doesn't use DMSO when most of the other legit formulas do (garlic/onion smell missing)
It is COMPLETLY unnecessary to use DMSO with enclomiphene, as it is soluble with ethanol, propylene glycol (PG), glycerin, DMSO, and many others solvents/carriers. Most of the company owners I know do NOT use DMSO...for barely any of their chems (if any at all), simply because it's rarely ever needed. This includes enclomiphene. A knowledgeable formulator would never use DMSO when it's not needed because it smells like SH-T! Using it unnecessarily is just dumb.
Has anyone done any independent testing to see if it is actually enclomiphene and not clomid? I'd like to support a board sponsor and MA but I just want to get a little bit of community feedback before I switch vendors.

Several people on this board have posted their labs with great results. I sell a crap-ton of it every month. You will not be disappointed.
 
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In for the answer, I am very interested in enclomiphene. I've been out of the gym and supps for awhile just returning but would have never guessed DMSO as an oral carrier.
You wouldn't have guessed because only an idiot would use DMSO as a carrier for ANY chem unless its absolutely necessary...and that's rarely the case. Your instincts were right on the money. :)
 
just cut a deal to have all 200 chems tested for 38K. Results for all of them should be posted on the website within 4-6 weeks.

It is COMPLETLY unnecessary to use DMSO with enclomiphene, as it is soluble with ethanol, propylene glycol (PG), glycerin, DMSO, and many others solvents/carriers. Most of the company owners I know do NOT use DMSO...for barely any of their chems (if any at all), simply because it's rarely ever needed. This includes enclomiphene. A knowledgeable formulator would never use DMSO when it's not needed because it smells like SH-T! Using it unnecessarily is just dumb.



Several people on this board have posted their labs with great results. I sell a crap-ton of it every month. You will not be disappointed.
Wow, thank you for the awesome response! Literally the most thorough answer I have ever received from a company. I always thought it was strange that DMSO was being used from a non-transdermal solution so glad to know that it is completely unnecessary since it is straight vile lol. I will 100% be switching over, thank you so much for the help!
 
You can't hop up in the rap cipher after Eminem, so I'm going to step back on this one 😂 I will say that if you search hard enough there were several members on this board who posted blood work. the one I remember went from the low 300's to the mid 900's.
 
You seem to be under the impression that because my product costs less than the competition (not everyone, but most), it is less likely to be legitimate. This misunderstanding derives from not understanding industry profit margins relative to the wholesale cost of these chemicals. So, once again, I am going to shoot this board straight and do something that almost no other company ever does; I am going to tell you what companies really pay for this stuff.

A kg of Enclomiphene varies depending on the manufacturer, but the average cost ranges between 10-17K (I have seen lower prices from some manufacturers, but I can't vouch for their quality). Even at the 17K price, 1 kg will provide me with 1,333 bottles when dosed at the standard 750 mg per bottle. That means each bottle costs $13.49. Add in bottle, cap, label, and heat seal cost and I'm at about $14.50. If someone pays only 10K per kg, they are looking at $7.50 per bottle ($8.50 all in). Are you now beginning to understand WHY my price is wholly reasonable?

The bottom line is that I have a better price because I can easily provide that price...plus a 15% discount...and still have a great profit margin.

I had my first two batches tested, but not since then (it's been about 8 month since my last lab test). Make no mistake, when you see labs posted by various companies, you have no way of knowing how many batches of product that company has purchased since their last lab test. Knowing what I know, I can say with absolute certainty that not a single company that I am personally aware of, tests all their batches. Most companies buy several batches of a product before finally re-testing...and even then, the main reason is because they feel like they need to in order to avoid people asking questions about year old lab tests.


My enclom is legitimate. Not only has the manufacturer been very reliable (I do not use a middle-man like most, but am in direct communication with a giant, highly reliable chemical manufacturing company), but if a manufacturer sells good stuff the first few times, they are likely to continue doing so. This is especially true when middle-men are not involved...because middle-men will often grab chems from whatever manufacturer they can, so you don't really know what manufacturer their chems come from. Lastly, enclomiphene has its own color, texture, solubility, scent, time & temp required to bring the chemical into solution, etc. Each batch I have purchased has always demonstrated the same exact characteristics.

Lastly, I just sent another batch away for testing at Vanguard Labs (a highly accredited, respected U.S. lab), as I am going to begin posting all my lab results...for every single product...right on my website. In fact, I just cut a deal to have all 200 chems tested for 38K. Results for all of them should be posted on the website within 4-6 weeks.

It is COMPLETLY unnecessary to use DMSO with enclomiphene, as it is soluble with ethanol, propylene glycol (PG), glycerin, DMSO, and many others solvents/carriers. Most of the company owners I know do NOT use DMSO...for barely any of their chems (if any at all), simply because it's rarely ever needed. This includes enclomiphene. A knowledgeable formulator would never use DMSO when it's not needed because it smells like SH-T! Using it unnecessarily is just dumb.



Several people on this board have posted their labs with great results. I sell a crap-ton of it every month. You will not be disappointed.
Excellent explanation!
 
You can't hop up in the rap cipher after Eminem, so I'm going to step back on this one 😂 I will say that if you search hard enough there were several members on this board who posted blood work. the one I remember went from the low 300's to the mid 900's.
No cap! Yeah he just shut it down at The Shelter!!!
 
You seem to be under the impression that because my product costs less than the competition (not everyone, but most), it is less likely to be legitimate. This misunderstanding derives from not understanding industry profit margins relative to the wholesale cost of these chemicals. So, once again, I am going to shoot this board straight and do something that almost no other company ever does; I am going to tell you what companies really pay for this stuff.

A kg of Enclomiphene varies depending on the manufacturer, but the average cost ranges between 10-17K (I have seen lower prices from some manufacturers, but I can't vouch for their quality). Even at the 17K price, 1 kg will provide me with 1,333 bottles when dosed at the standard 750 mg per bottle. That means each bottle costs $13.49. Add in bottle, cap, label, and heat seal cost and I'm at about $14.50. If someone pays only 10K per kg, they are looking at $7.50 per bottle ($8.50 all in). Are you now beginning to understand WHY my price is wholly reasonable?

The bottom line is that I have a better price because I can easily provide that price...plus a 15% discount...and still have a great profit margin.

I had my first two batches tested, but not since then (it's been about 8 month since my last lab test). Make no mistake, when you see labs posted by various companies, you have no way of knowing how many batches of product that company has purchased since their last lab test. Knowing what I know, I can say with absolute certainty that not a single company that I am personally aware of, tests all their batches. Most companies buy several batches of a product before finally re-testing...and even then, the main reason is because they feel like they need to in order to avoid people asking questions about year old lab tests.


My enclom is legitimate. Not only has the manufacturer been very reliable (I do not use a middle-man like most, but am in direct communication with a giant, highly reliable chemical manufacturing company), but if a manufacturer sells good stuff the first few times, they are likely to continue doing so. This is especially true when middle-men are not involved...because middle-men will often grab chems from whatever manufacturer they can, so you don't really know what manufacturer their chems come from. Lastly, enclomiphene has its own color, texture, solubility, scent, time & temp required to bring the chemical into solution, etc. Each batch I have purchased has always demonstrated the same exact characteristics.

Lastly, I just sent another batch away for testing at Vanguard Labs (a highly accredited, respected U.S. lab), as I am going to begin posting all my lab results...for every single product...right on my website. In fact, I just cut a deal to have all 200 chems tested for 38K. Results for all of them should be posted on the website within 4-6 weeks.

It is COMPLETLY unnecessary to use DMSO with enclomiphene, as it is soluble with ethanol, propylene glycol (PG), glycerin, DMSO, and many others solvents/carriers. Most of the company owners I know do NOT use DMSO...for barely any of their chems (if any at all), simply because it's rarely ever needed. This includes enclomiphene. A knowledgeable formulator would never use DMSO when it's not needed because it smells like SH-T! Using it unnecessarily is just dumb.



Several people on this board have posted their labs with great results. I sell a crap-ton of it every month. You will not be disappointed.

This is why MA is the only peptide company I have used. Legit answers and honest ones.
 
I just started using MA Enclomiphene recently at .3ml per day - I'm stacking it with sustain alpha and things seem to be working really well. I was just aiming to get about 3mg daily for some fertility benefits - should have labs done in an about a month to see how things are looking.
 
Just wanted to add that I went from 200ng/dL to 400 using 6mg/day for a couple weeks. So definitely legit. Was doing this just to increase fertility.
 
MA Enclomiphene is 100% legit. As is anything else I've ever researched. Mike in my opinion is as honest a person as you'll meet in this industry.
 
MA Enclomiphene is 100% legit. As is anything else I've ever researched. Mike in my opinion is as honest a person as you'll meet in this industry.

Agreed. Every interaction with him has been positive.
 
Been buying from MAResearch since discovering them via AM last year and have been with them for all my needs. Never been disappointed and they're always my go-to.

I just started using MA Enclomiphene recently at .3ml per day - I'm stacking it with sustain alpha and things seem to be working really well. I was just aiming to get about 3mg daily for some fertility benefits - should have labs done in an about a month to see how things are looking.

DOOD! . . .that sounds awesome. I've got some enclo on the way (anyone wanna guess from where? heh) and after reading that comment, might throw in some SA into the mix.

I've had great results in the past, but not so much as of late. I'm thinking that combo will be the ticket.

Should help getting back to 8 mile.
 
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