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Is M4OHN a good compliment to T3??

hahaha, yeah it should go well together but there is some cns stim from the M4OHN, so I would either run a lesser dose of t3 or increase the dose of m4ohn if you run a large dose fo t3 to prevent any muscle wasting.

Ideally i would probably split 50mcg of t3 up during the day and use 14-16mgs M4OHN split up as well.
 
Designer Supps said:
hahaha, yeah it should go well together but there is some cns stim from the M4OHN, so I would either run a lesser dose of t3 or increase the dose of m4ohn if you run a large dose fo t3 to prevent any muscle wasting.

Ideally i would probably split 50mcg of t3 up during the day and use 14-16mgs M4OHN split up as well.
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As of now, I am planning to start out at 12mg ed and see how that goes
 
Please post your daily feedback on this. It would be nice to know how M4OHN will aide in preventing catabolism and if a higher dose is neede for you.
 
SJA said:
Please post your daily feedback on this. It would be nice to know how M4OHN will aide in preventing catabolism and if a higher dose is neede for you.
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When I start this cycle (which is not going to be immediately but will be soon), I will keep a log which I update on a daily basis.
 
I ran M4ohn with Tri-max & I still lost some muscle despite a perfect diet. I'm not sure m4OHN is anabolic enough to use alone with T3 or triac. I started at 10mg & gradually increased to 20mg. I think that was my mistake. If you use it with T3, start at 20mg & stay there. I'd run it at least a week before adding the T3 too, it takes 7-10 days to kick in.
 
Longdog said:
I ran M4ohn with Tri-max & I still lost some muscle despite a perfect diet. I'm not sure m4OHN is anabolic enough to use alone with T3 or triac. I started at 10mg & gradually increased to 20mg. I think that was my mistake. If you use it with T3, start at 20mg & stay there. I'd run it at least a week before adding the T3 too, it takes 7-10 days to kick in.
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In your opinion, then, what would be a good substance to stack it with (If you do believe that this is necessary). I have been thinking that I will run it at 16mg ed anyway.
 
I added some 1-test during week 2, & really like the combo. If you do decide to run some 1-test too, I suggest you run the cycle for 2 weeks before the T3 to let the 1-test kick in too. I guess it's really up to you, but you can definitely lose a good deal of muscle with T3.
 
Longdog said:
I added some 1-test during week 2, & really like the combo. If you do decide to run some 1-test too, I suggest you run the cycle for 2 weeks before the T3 to let the 1-test kick in too. I guess it's really up to you, but you can definitely lose a good deal of muscle with T3.
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I was thinking 1-test, so I may indeed run it. I am aware of the catabolic potential of t3 and I don't want to lose muscle if I can avoid it. I also dont wan too much water retention, with the 1-test, How would 200 mg ed transdermally sound??
 
the_destroyer55 said:
I was thinking 1-test, so I may indeed run it. I am aware of the catabolic potential of t3 and I don't want to lose muscle if I can avoid it. I also dont wan too much water retention, with the 1-test, How would 200 mg ed transdermally sound??
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I'm running 300mg, but I think 200mg is probably enough to do the trick. I've had no water retention whatsover, I consider this the ultimate summer stack.
 
Longdog said:
I consider this the ultimate summer stack.
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When I consider summer cycles I like to avoid transdermals (because of kids/pools etc) and I was considering about 1g/d of 1,4andro(boldione) as an alternate in an oral form. This would be in addition to 16mg M4ohn w/T3 (or Trimax). Any thoughts?
 
Longdog--
were you just taking the 1-test and m-4ohn??..or did you add some 4-ad to fight 1-test sides?..i thought you should always throw 4ad in to ward off 1-test sides, but i dont want the water weight gain from the 4-ad..
 
Ya Longdong I was wondering how the lethargy and libido were on the 1test and if the 4oht you were running with it was helping.
 
Manu20 said:
Ya Longdog I was wondering how the lethargy and libido were on the 1test and if the 4oht you were running with it was helping.
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I've just been running 300mg 1-test & 100mg OHT in a dermal along with the 20mg M4OHN. I have had almost no lethargy. I think it's a combination of the m4OHN providing a slight energy boost & the moderate 1-test dose. Surprisingly, libido has been virtually unaffected over 5 weeks so far. OHT usually helps me with that.

You definitely could run 4ad with this stack if you have problems with the lethargy. I wanted to avoid the bloat though & see if I could get by without it. It's worked well for me, but we all respond differently.
 
What about T3 and M1T? M1T is supposed to be pretty anabolic (haven't tried it yet but have a stockpile for the post-ban era). Maybe 50-75mcg of T3 plus 10-15mg of M1T ed?

/karp
 
jrkarp said:
What about T3 and M1T? M1T is supposed to be pretty anabolic (haven't tried it yet but have a stockpile for the post-ban era). Maybe 50-75mcg of T3 plus 10-15mg of M1T ed?

/karp
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T3 gave me pretty bad lethargy. I'd imagine combinining the two would be pretty bad.
 
schlam_of said:
longdog--what have you gains and bf% been like?..how far are you into it?..is there a log somewhere?
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I've been on it for 5 weeks. I ran tri-max for the first 2 weeks & lost about 8lbs, I got down to 212. I went from about 11% to 9.5-10%, & I lost a decent amount of strength, so I know there was muscle loss. I added the 1-test after the tri-max to try to re-gain the muscle. In the 3 weeks since, I have gained back 6-7 lbs with no change in BF%. Strength is back too.

I think I started the Tri-max too early in the cycle & the androgens hadn't kicked in yet to stave off the muscle loss. I think the same thing will happen with T3. I would run a cycle for at least a week before adding T3 or triac in the future.
 
what about with 1-test?..any reason to pre-load on the m-4ohn..they both take about a week or so to kick in, so might as well start them at the same time, right?
 
schlam_of said:
what about with 1-test?..any reason to pre-load on the m-4ohn..they both take about a week or so to kick in, so might as well start them at the same time, right?
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I plan to preload both for one week before adding the t3
 
I am thinking after reading/researching the compunds and others experiences on them that I may do this:

Week 1 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED
Week 2 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 50mcg t3 ed
Week 3 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 100mcg t3 ed
Week 4 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 75mcg t3 ed

PCT week 1 Nolva 40mg ed
week 2 20mg ed
 
the_destroyer55 said:
I am thinking after reading/researching the compunds and others experiences on them that I may do this:

Week 1 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED
Week 2 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 50mcg t3 ed
Week 3 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 100mcg t3 ed
Week 4 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED; 75mcg t3 ed

PCT week 1 Nolva 40mg ed
week 2 20mg ed
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Why the 50, 100, and 75 of t3? ive seen it said a ton of times to ramp up and ramp down doses of t3. maybe 25 a couple days, bump it to 50 for a couple days... and so on.. then back down the same way.
 
morfiend said:
Why the 50, 100, and 75 of t3? ive seen it said a ton of times to ramp up and ramp down doses of t3. maybe 25 a couple days, bump it to 50 for a couple days... and so on.. then back down the same way.
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I may end up starting at a lower dose. Is there as much of a need to ramp down??
 
the_destroyer55 said:
I may end up starting at a lower dose. Is there as much of a need to ramp down??
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i really don't know, ive always read to ramp down.. but I'd tend to agree with you.

but definately ramp up, when I ran t3 I decided to jump from 50 to 125 and man i felt like total **** for a couple days....
 
This is what I'm thinking now:

Week 1 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED
Week 2 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED;
Day 1-4 25 mcg T3 ED
Day 5-7 50 mcg t3 ED
Week 3 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED;
Day 1-3 50 mcg T3 ED
Day 4-6 75 mcg t3 ED
Day 7 100mcg t3
Week 4 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED
Day 1-4 100 mcg T3 ED
Day 5-7 75 mcg t3 ED
 
the_destroyer55 said:
Of course I would keep the same PCT. So, how does this look??
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run the t3 for ~3 weeks. find a dose that seems to work well for you. be careful nto to go too high, I lost muscle while on it even with AAS (mdien).

drink tons of water, this stuff made me sweat like crazy and "overheat"
 
morfiend said:
run the t3 for ~3 weeks. find a dose that seems to work well for you. be careful nto to go too high, I lost muscle while on it even with AAS (mdien).

drink tons of water, this stuff made me sweat like crazy and "overheat"
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ahh, nevermind.

i see you have it for 3 weeks.. i only saw one of the sets of days,a nd thought you were running it for a week.. my bad. yeah that looks ok, but I would really ramp up to see how it affects you.

it really made me feel like crap. so I wouldn't rush into a high dosage.. I took too much one day (i decided to be brave and do 150) and i just laid on my couch the whole day sweating my balls off and feeling like ****.
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also, run EC or ECY.. or even clen alongside.
 
If you've never run t3 before, a decent ramp up period is necessary. But if you have, the general 5/40/55 rule should follow. Even still, the way your running it I would try to reach peak levels faster and then ramp down slowly.
 
Scottyo said:
If you've never run t3 before, a decent ramp up period is necessary. But if you have, the general 5/40/55 rule should follow. Even still, the way your running it I would try to reach peak levels faster and then ramp down slowly.
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Ok, look any better??

Week 1 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED

Week 2 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED;
Day 1-3 25 mcg T3 ED
Day 4-7 50 mcg t3 ED

Week 3 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 28mg ED;
Day 1-4 75 mcg T3 ED
Day 5-7 100mcg t3

Week 4 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 32mg ED
Day 1 100 mcg T3 ED
Day 2-4 75 mcg t3 ED
Day 5-6 50 mcg T3 ED
Day 7 25 mcg T3
 
destroyer--howd you decide on your m-4ohn dosages?..whats your size/weight stats..im trying to decide how high to go with my m-4ohn/1-test cycle..
 
Sorry I missed this earlier.

ECAY is fine with t3, especially since t3 and (reportedly) M4ohn increase appetite in some. I don't do well with the Y, and keep my eca down low due to alcar but its fine. I would start a bit lower then you are used to though....the increased metabolism from t3 increases everything's metabolism.

I would try to get to the peak (100mcg) by day 2 of week 3.
I'd say
Wk 1 fine
Wk 2, hormone dose fine
Day 1-2 25mcg
Day 3-4 50mcg
Day 5-7 75mcg

Wk 3, hormone fine...might not even need to up the M4OHN ever
Day 1-3 or 4 100mcg
Day 4 or 5-7 75mcg

Wk 4, androgens ok
Day 1-3 75mcg
Day 4 50mcg
Day 5-7 25 mcg
Day 8 and 9 12.5mcg (optional but recommended).

But looks good.
 
schlam_of said:
destroyer--howd you decide on your m-4ohn dosages?..whats your size/weight stats..im trying to decide how high to go with my m-4ohn/1-test cycle..
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I have read of a lack of results at lower doses. As I will be running T3 as well, I wanted to err on the side of caution as to prevent catabolism.

I am 6'2" 198 lbs. 9.5% BF
 
Revised again

Week 1 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED

Week 2 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 24mg ED;
Day 1-2 25 mcg T3 ED
Day 3-4 50 mcg t3 ED
Day 5-7 75 mcg t3 ED

Week 3 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 28mg ED;
Day 1-4 100 mcg T3 ED
Day 5-7 75 mcg t3

Week 4 1-test 200mg transdermally ED; M4OHN 32mg ED
Day 1 75 mcg T3
Day 2-4 50 mcg t3 ED
Day 5-7 25 mcg T3 ED
Day 8 12.5 mcg t3[/QUOTE]
 
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