Is Iron Legion Virtus natural product and can somebody confirm it?

[PowerBuilder006]

If I were to use Virtus before tested meet, can I pass doping test? I know that 7-hydroxy-4-imidazolyl-flavan is not banned, but serms and AI-s are. So if it contains raloxifene for example I would get fucked. Have anyone lab results of Virtus or have passed WADA doping test during use of Virtus?

 

[johnny412]

If I were to use Virtus before tested meet, can I pass doping test? I know that 7-hydroxy-4-imidazolyl-flavan is not banned, but serms and AI-s are. So if it contains raloxifene for example I would get fucked. Have anyone lab results of Virtus or have passed WADA doping test during use of Virtus?

ahhh we have another new member with comfortable vocabulary and immediately knows how to post a poll? hmmmmmm??? hell i dont even know how to post a poll lol! could it be??? from estonia with perfect english? maybe he meant estonia alabama lmao!!!

 

[booneman77]

With about 99% certainty I doubt you will get anyone with verifiable bloodwork (tho maybe someone who passed a WADA test) to answer the way you asked, however, I would be pretty comfortable that it is what they say.

That said, if it truly is as powerful as advertised, I expect there would be a chance of testing false positive with "some" elevated/lowered levels (not sure exactly what, but anyhting that impacts a hormone - even non-hormonal in itself - can potentially have unique effects on other hormones, causing the false positive).

If it were me, I would shy away unless you were certain, unfortunately

 

[delsolrob]

If I were to use Virtus before tested meet, can I pass doping test? I know that 7-hydroxy-4-imidazolyl-flavan is not banned, but serms and AI-s are. So if it contains raloxifene for example I would get fucked. Have anyone lab results of Virtus or have passed WADA doping test during use of Virtus?

I'm not a WADA specialist - but, if they banned AI's then the use of Virtus is banned...Virtus is an AI - as that is the function of the flavan in virtus

 

[PowerBuilder006]

ahhh we have another new member with comfortable vocabulary and immediately knows how to post a poll? hmmmmmm??? hell i dont even know how to post a poll lol! could it be??? from estonia with perfect english? maybe he meant estonia alabama lmao!!!

Haha Thanks bro. I just saw that there was a chance to post a poll. I myself think my English is sometimes a little bit terrible, but i will give my best lol . Estonia Alabama hahaha We have one band named Alabama Watchdog though.

 

[PowerBuilder006]

With about 99% certainty I doubt you will get anyone with verifiable bloodwork (tho maybe someone who passed a WADA test) to answer the way you asked, however, I would be pretty comfortable that it is what they say.

That said, if it truly is as powerful as advertised, I expect there would be a chance of testing false positive with "some" elevated/lowered levels (not sure exactly what, but anyhting that impacts a hormone - even non-hormonal in itself - can potentially have unique effects on other hormones, causing the false positive).

If it were me, I would shy away unless you were certain, unfortunately

Yeah, I would not risk with it before competition though. At least 1 month out. But thanks for your opinion anyways. I have not think that it may give false positive test. I need some AI or smth. Calcium D Glucarate may help as well in high doses. If I had lots of money in spare then I would get that product tested, but I am not earning money from sports, I do it more for fun and pleasure.

 

[PowerBuilder006]

I'm not a WADA specialist - but, if they banned AI's then the use of Virtus is banned...Virtus is an AI - as that is the function of the flavan in virtus

Yeah, In philosophical way its banned, but its not in the banned list nor its not possible to detect yet. Also It would be beneficial product for naturals, which I am not btw.

 

[thebigt]

Yeah, In philosophical way its banned, but its not in the banned list nor its not possible to detect yet. Also It would be beneficial product for naturals, which I am not btw.

if you are not a natural why are you concerned about virtus passing wada?

 

[PowerBuilder006]

if you are not a natural why are you concerned about virtus passing wada?

Because my friend wants to use it wink wink

 

[cheftepesh1]

You can always have it tested for yourself using the same type of testing. I’m pretty sure it would pop on a WADA test.

 

[PowerBuilder006]

You can always have it tested for yourself using the same type of testing. I’m pretty sure it would pop on a WADA test.

Hey, thanks. I dont know where I could get that product tested, but I will look into it. I asked from one local lab last week, but they said they only test products that are on sale in my country and are suspicious according to their committee.

 

[KvanH]

Because my friend wants to use it wink wink

I think T meant that if you are not natural, meaning you use some sort of gear, wouldn't the gear you use be a bigger concern for the wada testing, than Virtus?

 

[PowerBuilder006]

I think T meant that if you are not natural, meaning you use some sort of gear, wouldn't the gear you use be a bigger concern for the wada testing, than Virtus?

Not really, because If u use derrived hormones away from competition then you dont have to worry about popping. Use bioidentical hormones before competition like pure dht, test susp and hgh, with what you can get away pretty easily. There are no good methods to detect these hormones and lots of people can get away with no problems at all. Some people use designer steroids and products like Virtus to use higher doses of test before competition. Some of them even get gyno and compete and use raloxifene or smth in the offseason. Thats pretty wild out there if u know what people are up to. I am pretty noob by the way. People mostly like to avoid AI-s, because its same easy to pop with some derrived steroid. Thats why I want something to use before like even 3 months out. I can easily maintain my muscle and strength with 200mg-s of test before competition. But really athletes wont use serms or AI-s if possible. Especially banned ones. Also I dont support cheating, if it would be possible to catch every single athlete, I would, even I would ban myself lol . But right now its me or them and thats how it is...

 

[KvanH]

Not really, because If u use derrived hormones away from competition then you dont have to worry about popping. Use bioidentical hormones before competition like pure dht, test susp and hgh, with what you can get away pretty easily. There are no good methods to detect these hormones and lots of people can get away with no problems at all. Some people use designer steroids and products like Virtus to use higher doses of test before competition. Some of them even get gyno and compete and use raloxifene or smth in the offseason. Thats pretty wild out there if u know what people are up to. I am pretty noob by the way. People mostly like to avoid AI-s, because its same easy to pop with some derrived steroid. Thats why I want something to use before like even 3 months out. I can easily maintain my muscle and strength with 200mg-s of test before competition. But really athletes wont use serms or AI-s if possible. Especially banned ones. Also I dont support cheating, if it would be possible to catch every single athlete, I would, even I would ban myself lol . But right now its me or them and thats how it is...

Ok, understod. The wada list is very extensive, like they have an upper limit for amount of caffeine in your system, lol. You could try DIM for E control, if it's strong enough for your need. That shouldn't be banned. But I would think they'd have a place you could ask about compounds if it's ok to use or not.

Btw seeing you're from Estonia. I've been to Tallinn a couple of times. Nice city in the summer

 

[johnny412]

Ok, understod. The wada list is very extensive, like they have an upper limit for amount of caffeine in your system, lol. You could try DIM for E control, if it's strong enough for your need. That shouldn't be banned. But I would think they'd have a place you could ask about compounds if it's ok to use or not.

Btw seeing you're from Estonia. I've been to Tallinn a couple of times. Nice city in the summer

kvanh hes not really from estonia

 

[PowerBuilder006]

kvanh hes not really from estonia

I had to change it to Latvia just in case lol

 

[johnny412]

I had to change it to Latvia just in case lol

 

[johnny412]

I had to change it to Latvia just in case lol

I had to change it to Latvia just in case lol

lmao he REALLY did change it!

 

[PowerBuilder006]

lmao he REALLY did change it!

I could be anywhere

 

[johnny412]

I could be anywhere

yeah you could be in the stars...with dan duchaine....screaming!!!

 

[PowerBuilder006]

Ok, understod. The wada list is very extensive, like they have an upper limit for amount of caffeine in your system, lol. You could try DIM for E control, if it's strong enough for your need. That shouldn't be banned. But I would think they'd have a place you could ask about compounds if it's ok to use or not.
Btw seeing you're from Estonia. I've been to Tallinn a couple of times. Nice city in the summer

WADA is very strict yes. I was thinking about DIM before, but I also found Calcium D Glucarate, which may be even stronger. I have not used DIM or CDG before.
Estonia largely is enjoble in the summer or spring. Other than that its raining or its too cold like -10 degrees most of the time. -25 tops. But summer yeah 20-30 degrees and very nice.

 

[PowerBuilder006]

yeah you could be in the stars...with dan duchaine....screaming!!!

Maybe I am Dan Duchaine, who knows

 

[KvanH]

Maybe I am Dan Duchaine, who knows

Johnny is referring to Doucheine