Is Epistane worth it?

gonzolo

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Hi all I'm 5'9" 180 22% bodyfat 22 years old, not really planning on running anything anytime soon.

I bought some epistane (EPIC clone), enough for 2 cycles because I got a great deal on it.

Anyways i got to reading and found several polls talking about hairloss from epi like this one. According of this 1 in 3 got hairloss.

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anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/99094-did-you-lose.html


Among all the sides EPI is known for, (dry joints and hairloss) hairloss scares me the most because the hair will never grow back.

Anyone have any experience with epistane? Please share and give me some advice. Should I just skip this pH entirely or what?

other pH's I can run instead of epi are dzine, pmag, or hdrol. These don't have much reported cases of hair loss.

I already bought them, so that's pretty much the reason for this thread. I don't know if I should bite the bullet and run a cycle or throw em in the trash or what.
 
Hair loss depends on the person. Epi didnt give me any hair loss, hdrol did a little. In my experience epi has had almost no side effect for me but gives me great strength gains.
 
I had no hairless with it.
 
OP, I would try to shed a lot more body fat before trying anything hormonal. Clean up that diet my man. Goodluck
 
^^i agree with jahcuree. but most people won't listen to that and do what they want but I'm currently running a trenadrol/EPI cycle right now and have experienced no hairloss. They make N2Shampoo to reduce hairloss but genetics does play a factor as far as hairloss. id personally run EPI with a tren clone but if your looking for recomp/cutting id go with something more mild like helladrol or katanadrol
 
I agree with you guys, I do not plan on running a cycle until I am at least 14% body fat or below. I'm currently cutting right now, and don't plan to run a cycle until at December/ January. I'm not prone to MPB, as no one in my family (both mom's and dad's side) have any MPB. My grandpa had a full head of hair at age 87.
Can more people chime in and tell me if they had any hairloss on epistane?

Thanks
 
gonzolo said:
I agree with you guys, I do not plan on running a cycle until I am at least 14% body fat or below. I'm currently cutting right now, and don't plan to run a cycle until at December/ January. I'm not prone to MPB, as no one in my family (both mom's and dad's side) have any MPB. My grandpa had a full head of hair at age 87.
Can more people chime in and tell me if they had any hairloss on epistane?

Thanks
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Good idea brotha
 
Do you guys know if LG FormX + DS AX is strong enough PTC for epi or maybe SNS Reduce XT ? I currently have M1D Black, Mmv3 and FormX as a PTC but after I found out that epi should be legal in the United States I've been thinking to add epi on my cycle but I'm not just sure how epi and Mmv3 would stack :/ I know M1D is stackable since it's DEAH but but :S
 
darkstr said:
Do you guys know if LG FormX + DS AX is strong enough PTC for epi or maybe SNS Reduce XT ? I currently have M1D Black, Mmv3 and FormX as a PTC but after I found out that epi should be legal in the United States I've been thinking to add epi on my cycle but I'm not just sure how epi and Mmv3 would stack :/ I know M1D is stackable since it's DEAH but but :S
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Everyone is going to tell you your going to need a SERM for that stack brotha. I'm not firmiliar with what mmv3 is but as long as its not methylated I'm sure there wouldn't be anything wrong with the 2 hormones used together.
 
Jahcuree said:
Everyone is going to tell you your going to need a SERM for that stack brotha. I'm not firmiliar with what mmv3 is but as long as its not methylated I'm sure there wouldn't be anything wrong with the 2 hormones used together.
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Yeah it's not methylated. I kind of knew that SERM this was coming :) Nolva would be idealistic but this one sites gave me following options: Nolva, ThermoLife Ebol, Designer Supplements Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT. Unfortunately I don't know where I could get nolva and only item I can find is XT... Anyway since this is my first cycle ever and if I don't have access to nolva should I just run that LG's stack which I already bought and hope some mild gains ?

MMv3 includes:
3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one
7-methoxy-8- (3-methylbut-2-en-1-yl) -2H-chromen-2-one

Edit: I don't wanna turn this to chat so is the ordering of research chems fully legal in the United States, I actually know few places when I was thinking about ordering test ^_^ ? Thanks.
 
darkstr said:
Yeah it's not methylated. I kind of knew that... Nolva would be idealistic but this one sites gave me following options: Nolva, ThermoLife Ebol, Designer Supplements Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT. Unfortunately I don't know where I could get nolva and only item I can find is XT... Anyway since this is my first cycle ever and if I don't have access to nolva should I just run that LG's stack which I already bought and hope some mild gains ?
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A quick google search for nolva research chemical would solve that problem. Up to you man.
 
darkstr said:
Yeah it's not methylated. I kind of knew that SERM this was coming :) Nolva would be idealistic but this one sites gave me following options: Nolva, ThermoLife Ebol, Designer Supplements Lean Extreme or SNS Reduce XT. Unfortunately I don't know where I could get nolva and only item I can find is XT... Anyway since this is my first cycle ever and if I don't have access to nolva should I just run that LG's stack which I already bought and hope some mild gains ?

MMv3 includes:
3-Alpha-Hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one
7-methoxy-8- (3-methylbut-2-en-1-yl) -2H-chromen-2-one

Edit: I don't wanna turn this to chat so is the ordering of research chems fully legal in the United States ? Thanks.
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Yes, they are legal in the US for research purposes.

That's methylated... Isn't it? Standing by for chemist bro's as I'm too lazy to search rite now.
 
As far as I remember LGs rep said it's not methylated when I asked if I need cycle support or stronger ptc to run with M1D + MMv3. But I can sure be wrong....
 
darkstr said:
As far as I remember LGs rep said it's not methylated when I asked if I need cycle support or stronger ptc to run with M1D + MMv3. But I can sure be wrong....
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they are non methyl, and formx or forma is fine for those but once you add epi you will need a serm
 
Research chemicals are legal assuming you administer them to your lab animals . They are not intended for human consumption .

As far as epistane PCT I've gone OTC PCT and serm and had no issues on either one . For me epistane was very mild even at 6 weeks I had no shutdown . Someone else however may have a completely different experience .

Serm and some DAA will run around 40-50 bucks. A OTC PCT at least double that maybe more to be safe.
 
gonzolo said:
Among all the sides EPI is known for, (dry joints and hairloss) hairloss scares me the most because the hair will never grow back.
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Oh God, I hope this really isn't true. Havoc just raped my scalp. I went off finasteride (I had been on fina for 11 yrs with little sides and great results) and used nizoral 4-5 times a week while on and my hair got destroyed. The reason I went off finasteride is I read your bodies natural test production shuts down in 2-3 days and the dht in epistane is already 5 alpha reduced. Is there no chance some of it will grow back now that I have resumed finasteride and stay on this nizoral?
 
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