Is Dermacrine overkill for this stack?

Cerpintine

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Overkill or maybe detrimental? I just began the OL Spawn stack for the second time--Stenabol, Ep15tane and Tr3n. The first time I used Dermacrine as a base--I had great results on a cut. This time I am bulking and using Sup3r-4 Elite as a base. I have some Dermacrine left over and would purchase another bottle if there are any benefits. Or if not Dermacrine, what about Sup3r-1 or Sup3r-Epi?


Or should I just stick with Sup3r-4? Again I don't want to go overkill, but I'll add anything beneficial!
 
Not necessary since you have 4 Andro. That will act as the base. You may need to adjust dosage based on energy levels (very powerful product you're using) but not necessary to add anything else.
 
Start out with the 4-Andro and if that's not enough, add in the Dermacrine. I would not add 1-Andro or Epiandro into the mix.
 
Start out with the 4-Andro and if that's not enough, add in the Dermacrine. I would not add 1-Andro or Epiandro into the mix.

Yup...I would just go with the 4-andro, and if lethargy gets bad, add the dermacrine...I would actually just do the math and throw the dermacrine in towards the end to use it up if it were me
 
Thanks guys. Really appreciate the help! So for now I'll stick w/ 4-andro. The bottle says to dose at 3x/day, but I'm doing four. I know with Dermacrine more isn't necessarily better--any thoughts about upping the dosage? Or should I stick with 440mg/day?
 
I just started an epistane, 4 andro and 11 oxo cycle Monday and felt like crap and have felt like crap an hour after each set of pills. This morning I rubbed on dermacrine and have felt great. I am going to keep going with the dermacrine until the 4 andro has time to kick in.
 
Thanks guys. Really appreciate the help! So for now I'll stick w/ 4-andro. The bottle says to dose at 3x/day, but I'm doing four. I know with Dermacrine more isn't necessarily better--any thoughts about upping the dosage? Or should I stick with 440mg/day?

If it were me, I'd start @ 330mg of 4-Andro and then bump up to 440 if need be. If 440mg is not cutting it for you, I wouldn't bother upping to 550 or 660. At that point in time, The Dermacrine @ 2-4 pumps per day (on top of the 4-Andro) should have you sorted within a week.
 
From experience 4andro is fairly weak at fighting lethargy on cycle. I've tried sublingual and transdermal at high doses. Dermacrine worked better than both methods. With that said I haven't tried OLs new delivery system but id rather use trest before running those.
 
I mean I'd use trest instead of 4andro products. Benefits outweighs the sides for me. It's fairly easy for me to battle high e2 with just formestane
 
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