Iron Forged Nutrition Most Wanted Log (Unsponsored)
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ma70
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Week 3 Day 4
Workout 16:
Front Squat 3x3
Lying Leg Curl 2x10
Whew. Feeling stronger on assistance and able to do my progression as planned, but it's getting tougher. I should up my calories more because at this point I think I'll need it to keep progressing as aggressively as I am right now. I'm hoping I can get past the feeling of mental burnout. Right now I can recover fine but I feel like I'm getting more and more fatigued mentally. We'll see how things continue though. Looking forward to my rest day this Thursday.
Body composition is great. Looking leaner while getting stronger. I'll do a measurement soon.
Workout 16:
Front Squat 3x3
Lying Leg Curl 2x10
Whew. Feeling stronger on assistance and able to do my progression as planned, but it's getting tougher. I should up my calories more because at this point I think I'll need it to keep progressing as aggressively as I am right now. I'm hoping I can get past the feeling of mental burnout. Right now I can recover fine but I feel like I'm getting more and more fatigued mentally. We'll see how things continue though. Looking forward to my rest day this Thursday.
Body composition is great. Looking leaner while getting stronger. I'll do a measurement soon.
ma70
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Week 3 Day 6
Workout 17:
Overhead Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Had a pizza cheat meal yesterday to help refill up on glycogen, so weight is a little weird right now. Measured 208.0 lbs with a 37.25" waist circumference. It's most likely water retention but we'll see in a few days. Workout went well as normal. Nothing too strange to report. No DOMS, etc.
Workout 17:
Overhead Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Had a pizza cheat meal yesterday to help refill up on glycogen, so weight is a little weird right now. Measured 208.0 lbs with a 37.25" waist circumference. It's most likely water retention but we'll see in a few days. Workout went well as normal. Nothing too strange to report. No DOMS, etc.
Danes
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Totaly agreed !
ma70
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The pizza refeed was awesome. It felt like it helped with mental fatigue (to break the monotany of my diet) and I felt like I just needed more calories in me in general because the aggressive progression of this training block is gonna kill me if I don't eat more. It's good to know that I can recover easily in a caloric deficit while on this stuff, but I want to get stronger as well. Raising my calories a bit every day, not going too crazy.
ma70
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Week 3 Day 7
Workout 18:
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Well, my weight this morning was down to 206.0 again. This is sort of why I avoid weighing myself daily. Water fluctuations and everything mess with my mindset. I'm sure I'll be back to around 204-205 again within a day. Anyways, workout felt easy. Other than vague mental fatigue (which conqu3r unleashed really helps with) I don't feel like I'm doing enough work in the gym anymore. Adaptation or Most Wanted, take your pick. Something is happening though....
Workout 18:
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Well, my weight this morning was down to 206.0 again. This is sort of why I avoid weighing myself daily. Water fluctuations and everything mess with my mindset. I'm sure I'll be back to around 204-205 again within a day. Anyways, workout felt easy. Other than vague mental fatigue (which conqu3r unleashed really helps with) I don't feel like I'm doing enough work in the gym anymore. Adaptation or Most Wanted, take your pick. Something is happening though....
ma70
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Week 4 Day 1
Weight: 204.2
Waist Circumference: ~37" (a little less, 36 and 7/8 if you want to be exact)
Workout 19:
Bench Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
No DOMS as usual. Bench Pressing heavy is starting to become a struggle, but I'm still pulling it off in what seems to be a caloric deficit (I'm not gaining weight at all) and a very aggressive strength progression. I'm going to summarize Week 3:
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (No DOMS)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
The only thing I've added is increased strength. My Bench Press/Overhead Press simply don't go up higher because I want them to, aka placebo. I'm apparently in a caloric deficit (slowly losing weight instead of gaining it) and my weight is overall lower than before, yet I'm Benching/Overhead Pressing higher numbers with cleaner form at higher percentiles. Best placebo ever? If it is, I want this all the time. My upper body lifts are a struggle to raise and I'm not complaining about this. I mean, I'd say that another effect is favorable body composition, but that could be due to better glucose partitioning, cortisol control, or just the fact that I'm lifting intensely and not eating enough calories. I may have to "dirty up" my diet a little bit because I thought the small increase in calories would help me stabilize weight and its coming to the point where it's getting harder to eat more (eating clean is amazing for hunger control). Even the pizza cheat didn't change anything, and this was a massive cheat. (Sicilian Pizza Pie)
Also, IFN, I hope this isn't spiked/contaminated. Haha...
Weight: 204.2
Waist Circumference: ~37" (a little less, 36 and 7/8 if you want to be exact)
Workout 19:
Bench Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
No DOMS as usual. Bench Pressing heavy is starting to become a struggle, but I'm still pulling it off in what seems to be a caloric deficit (I'm not gaining weight at all) and a very aggressive strength progression. I'm going to summarize Week 3:
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (No DOMS)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
The only thing I've added is increased strength. My Bench Press/Overhead Press simply don't go up higher because I want them to, aka placebo. I'm apparently in a caloric deficit (slowly losing weight instead of gaining it) and my weight is overall lower than before, yet I'm Benching/Overhead Pressing higher numbers with cleaner form at higher percentiles. Best placebo ever? If it is, I want this all the time. My upper body lifts are a struggle to raise and I'm not complaining about this. I mean, I'd say that another effect is favorable body composition, but that could be due to better glucose partitioning, cortisol control, or just the fact that I'm lifting intensely and not eating enough calories. I may have to "dirty up" my diet a little bit because I thought the small increase in calories would help me stabilize weight and its coming to the point where it's getting harder to eat more (eating clean is amazing for hunger control). Even the pizza cheat didn't change anything, and this was a massive cheat. (Sicilian Pizza Pie)
Also, IFN, I hope this isn't spiked/contaminated. Haha...
Danes
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Really glad it works for you and I have allways said, If I ever buy an Ecdysterone/laxo product from US , then it will be Most Wanted. I really like the idea of complexing plant steroids with Beta-Cyclodextrin. Ecdysterone+beta-cyclodextrin=potent
Nutrition partitioning effect and increased Glycogen retention is just a few effects of Ecdysterone
ma70
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Week 4 Day 2
Workout 20
Front Squat 3x5
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
The last set of today was a grinder but I managed to pull it off. I'm one of those lifters that's much better at doing explosive low reps as opposed to grinding out many reps. I read an article about there being two types of people and I guess I'm on the other end of the strength/power curve. 5s days are usually the hardest for me, believe it or not. Either way, this aggressive strength progression is tough, no doubt, but I'm still pulling through it in what seems to be a caloric deficit. Still trying to eat more and see when I'll start maintaining/gaining weight. I think slow adjustments are most important. No DOMS from yesterday's heavy bench session, but I feel like I'll be saying that a lot this log so you should probably assume no DOMS from now on.
Workout 20
Front Squat 3x5
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
The last set of today was a grinder but I managed to pull it off. I'm one of those lifters that's much better at doing explosive low reps as opposed to grinding out many reps. I read an article about there being two types of people and I guess I'm on the other end of the strength/power curve. 5s days are usually the hardest for me, believe it or not. Either way, this aggressive strength progression is tough, no doubt, but I'm still pulling through it in what seems to be a caloric deficit. Still trying to eat more and see when I'll start maintaining/gaining weight. I think slow adjustments are most important. No DOMS from yesterday's heavy bench session, but I feel like I'll be saying that a lot this log so you should probably assume no DOMS from now on.
ma70
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Week 4 Day 3
Workout 21
Overhead Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Man handled my sets today. As said before, I'm best with low rep sets for some reason. Also, I was surprised at how easily and cleanly I handled the overhead press today. Good stuff. Other than possible mental fatigue, I think I'm pretty much set for the rest of the log.
Workout 21
Overhead Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Man handled my sets today. As said before, I'm best with low rep sets for some reason. Also, I was surprised at how easily and cleanly I handled the overhead press today. Good stuff. Other than possible mental fatigue, I think I'm pretty much set for the rest of the log.
ma70
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Week 4 Day 4
Workout 22
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3/3/1
I thought mental fatigue was going to get worse, but today it wasn't. I did my sets nice and cleanly. My Deadlift felt flawless today, which is usually not the case when I'm in the higher percentiles. Tomorrow will be a rest day, and soon I'll be raising my training maxes again. Maintaining/losing weight and getting stronger quickly.....good stuff.
Workout 22
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3/3/1
I thought mental fatigue was going to get worse, but today it wasn't. I did my sets nice and cleanly. My Deadlift felt flawless today, which is usually not the case when I'm in the higher percentiles. Tomorrow will be a rest day, and soon I'll be raising my training maxes again. Maintaining/losing weight and getting stronger quickly.....good stuff.
IFN15
Member
Definitely not my man, we only use the finest ingredients we can get our hands on lol
ma70
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Week 4 Day 6
Workout 23
Bench Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Amazing day. I'm getting close to one of my all time Bench Press PRs when I weighed more, and I managed to pull off today's weight with very solid clean form with no grinding. I'm excited. This is definitely boosting my confidence (after constantly being stuck on Overhead/Bench Pressing).
Workout 23
Bench Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Amazing day. I'm getting close to one of my all time Bench Press PRs when I weighed more, and I managed to pull off today's weight with very solid clean form with no grinding. I'm excited. This is definitely boosting my confidence (after constantly being stuck on Overhead/Bench Pressing).
ma70
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Week 4 Day 7
Workout 24
Front Squat 5/3/1
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
Another nice routine day. Pulled off my sets with clean form. Here's the summary:
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (No DOMS)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
Can't say I noticed more, but this is a lot in general. To point out my increased strength, I'm raising the weights again for my next 2 weeks. This is the current progress for my 4 weeks:
Bench Press: +10
Overhead Press: +10
Deadlift: +20
Front Squat: +15 (+10, and +5 for the next one because while I did my sets today, I think another +10 is too aggressive)
Workout 24
Front Squat 5/3/1
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
Another nice routine day. Pulled off my sets with clean form. Here's the summary:
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (No DOMS)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
Can't say I noticed more, but this is a lot in general. To point out my increased strength, I'm raising the weights again for my next 2 weeks. This is the current progress for my 4 weeks:
Bench Press: +10
Overhead Press: +10
Deadlift: +20
Front Squat: +15 (+10, and +5 for the next one because while I did my sets today, I think another +10 is too aggressive)
ma70
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Week 5 Day 1
Workout 25
Overhead Press 3x3
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
I had a somewhat epic cheat meal yesterday (not a cheat day) so my weight is definitely skewed so I didn't bother taking a weight measurement today. Either way, killed my workout today pretty easily. I think this log will get boring because the supplement seems to have already kicked in.
Workout 25
Overhead Press 3x3
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
I had a somewhat epic cheat meal yesterday (not a cheat day) so my weight is definitely skewed so I didn't bother taking a weight measurement today. Either way, killed my workout today pretty easily. I think this log will get boring because the supplement seems to have already kicked in.
ma70
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Week 5 Day 2
Workout 26
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Another easy workout, and no DOMS. Even with aggressive progression, I pretty much own the weights. Clean form, good bar speed. The hardest part at this point is that I need to avoid being tempted to do way more volume. I have to remember that the training effect is still coming into play even if the workouts feel easy and I'm never sore.
Workout 26
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Another easy workout, and no DOMS. Even with aggressive progression, I pretty much own the weights. Clean form, good bar speed. The hardest part at this point is that I need to avoid being tempted to do way more volume. I have to remember that the training effect is still coming into play even if the workouts feel easy and I'm never sore.
ma70
Well-known member
Week 5 Day 4
Workout 27
Bench Press 3x3
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
Pretty good workout. Even with the training max increase, I'm still cranking out my required sets for my Bench Press. Amazingly aggressive progression and I'm still doing well on a lift that stalls almost instantaneously for me after I gain a little on it.
Workout 27
Bench Press 3x3
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
Pretty good workout. Even with the training max increase, I'm still cranking out my required sets for my Bench Press. Amazingly aggressive progression and I'm still doing well on a lift that stalls almost instantaneously for me after I gain a little on it.
IFN15
Member
I would say your body is primed at this point with the adaptogens, enjoy the rest of your run! ma70
ma70
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Week 5 Day 5
Workout 28
Front Squat 3x3
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
Good workout, but getting tougher. The 3rd rep of the 3rd set of my Front Squat was a grinder. My diet wasn't on point the day before though, so I don't know how much of an effect that had on me. Didn't feel mentally in the zone today but still pulled it off.
Workout 28
Front Squat 3x3
Lying Leg Curls 2x10
Good workout, but getting tougher. The 3rd rep of the 3rd set of my Front Squat was a grinder. My diet wasn't on point the day before though, so I don't know how much of an effect that had on me. Didn't feel mentally in the zone today but still pulled it off.
ma70
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Week 5 Day 6
Rest
Much needed rest day today!
Weight: 208.6
Waist Circumference: 36 7/8"
I've dirtied up my diet so clearly the weight jump from 204ish to 208ish is some water/glycogen, but my strength has raised dramatically and my waist circumference is the same. I'd find it hard to believe I haven't put on some muscle (not saying I gained 4 lbs or anything crazy like that). Anyways, just enjoying the ride for now. I'm expecting a plateau anytime soon but this megadosed supplement surprises me.
Rest
Much needed rest day today!
Weight: 208.6
Waist Circumference: 36 7/8"
I've dirtied up my diet so clearly the weight jump from 204ish to 208ish is some water/glycogen, but my strength has raised dramatically and my waist circumference is the same. I'd find it hard to believe I haven't put on some muscle (not saying I gained 4 lbs or anything crazy like that). Anyways, just enjoying the ride for now. I'm expecting a plateau anytime soon but this megadosed supplement surprises me.
ma70
Well-known member
Week 5 Day 6
Workout 29
Overhead Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Well, here we go again. Another great day of pressing. Now that I'm recovering super easily I'm going to lower my calories a little bit, just to see how low I can get them before DOMS comes back (if they ever do). I'm going to also add a set to my assistance exercises just to make me feel like I'm doing something without mentally stressing me too much.
Workout 29
Overhead Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 2x12
Well, here we go again. Another great day of pressing. Now that I'm recovering super easily I'm going to lower my calories a little bit, just to see how low I can get them before DOMS comes back (if they ever do). I'm going to also add a set to my assistance exercises just to make me feel like I'm doing something without mentally stressing me too much.
ma70
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Week 5 Day 7
Workout 30
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Did my sets as usual. Feeling great. It was snowstorming today here in Jersey, but that wasn't gonna stop me from showing up to the gym. Luckily I made it home....pretty risky business. Thanks to Conqu3r for giving me the concentration I needed to stay focused on the road because I was basically blind the entire way.
Workout 30
Front Squat 3x3
Deadlift 3x3
Did my sets as usual. Feeling great. It was snowstorming today here in Jersey, but that wasn't gonna stop me from showing up to the gym. Luckily I made it home....pretty risky business. Thanks to Conqu3r for giving me the concentration I needed to stay focused on the road because I was basically blind the entire way.
ma70
Well-known member
We got over 2 feet of snow here, so it's not looking like I'll be getting out or the gym will be open anytime soon. I don't really want to take this rest day as I feel like I'll need it later, but I guess I have to. I won't be getting any rest days for awhile now.
Week 6 Day 1
Rest
Weight: 208.0
Waist Circumference: ~37" (36 7/8)
Week 6 Day 1
Rest
Weight: 208.0
Waist Circumference: ~37" (36 7/8)
ma70
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Week 6 Day 2
Workout 31
Bench Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
Good workout today. I didn't really get a "rest" day yesterday because I spent most of it shoveling 2+ feet of snow to unbury my car and get out of the apartment complex. Last rep of the last Bench Press set was a grinder, so I can tell I'm starting to reach the peak of mental fatigue. I don't really feel in "the zone" anymore at the gym, but more like I'm just going through sets absent mindedly. Hoping I can last the full 8 weeks, but this is starting to look like it'll be a 6 week run. Between my busy schedule, 3 hour commute to work, etc. it's been tough keeping this kind of intensity/frequency up.
Workout 31
Bench Press 3x5
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
Good workout today. I didn't really get a "rest" day yesterday because I spent most of it shoveling 2+ feet of snow to unbury my car and get out of the apartment complex. Last rep of the last Bench Press set was a grinder, so I can tell I'm starting to reach the peak of mental fatigue. I don't really feel in "the zone" anymore at the gym, but more like I'm just going through sets absent mindedly. Hoping I can last the full 8 weeks, but this is starting to look like it'll be a 6 week run. Between my busy schedule, 3 hour commute to work, etc. it's been tough keeping this kind of intensity/frequency up.
ma70
Well-known member
Week 6 Day 3
Workout 32
Front Squat 3x5
Lying Leg Curl 3x10
Another good workout today, but I'm starting to feel burnt out. My resting heart rate is consistently higher when I take it in the morning, and my sleeping patterns are starting to feel disturbed. I'm going to make it through the next 4 workouts where I peak to my 1RM and then I'll be finished with the log and post my comments up.
Workout 32
Front Squat 3x5
Lying Leg Curl 3x10
Another good workout today, but I'm starting to feel burnt out. My resting heart rate is consistently higher when I take it in the morning, and my sleeping patterns are starting to feel disturbed. I'm going to make it through the next 4 workouts where I peak to my 1RM and then I'll be finished with the log and post my comments up.
ma70
Well-known member
Week 6 Day 6
Workout 36
Bench Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
I felt absent minded and spaced out, and basically like crap, and still managed to pull off my sets with clean form. I'm amazed at myself, and I'm now attributing this to Conqu3r Unleashed. J Regia is some special stuff. One last workout then I'll post my thoughts.
Workout 36
Bench Press 5/3/1
Row 3x5
DB Reverse Fly 3x12
I felt absent minded and spaced out, and basically like crap, and still managed to pull off my sets with clean form. I'm amazed at myself, and I'm now attributing this to Conqu3r Unleashed. J Regia is some special stuff. One last workout then I'll post my thoughts.
ma70
Well-known member
Ahaha, it wasn't over until today.
Week 6 Day 7
Workout 37
Front Squat 5/3/1
Lying Leg Curl 3x10
Completed my sets today, with an abscent mind. Was worried I wouldn't be able to pull off my last rep, but I did it with clean form. My total thoughts will be in my next post!
ma70
Well-known member
Final Thoughts
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Alright. This is going to be a long post. First, I'll summarize the basic effects I've noticed.
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (and absolutely no DOMs after Week 2-3 and on of this run)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
Main Lift Training Max Increases as of Today:
Bench Press: +15
Overhead Press: +15
Deadlift: +30
Front Squat: +20
My training experience is 3+ years, and I'm intermediate. These kinds of strength increases are pretty impressive to me considering the supposed "accumulating fatigue" I was supposed to be experiencing, because I got stronger throughout the run. Not only did I get stronger, but my form at higher percentiles got better. I've done high frequency training before, so I'd like to think this has nothing to do with "strength-skill" (lack of practice, etc). I've always based my training around the main compound lifts, so these are all well practiced except the Front Squat (I have considerable experience Front Squatting, but way more doing normal Squats).
Weight: ~206 --> 209.2
Waist Circumference: 37" --> 37"
Throughout this entire run, I had to modify my calories a bit. What I thought was my maintenance really wasn't, either due to the intensity of the program or due to the supplement helping me partition nutrients better. Initially, I dropped down to around 204 lbs, then I upped the calories. Can't say for sure, but my waist in the same as it's been the entire run (within the small range of variance) and my weight is up. It could be due to glycogen retention, or whatever, but my strength went way up so I'm pleased with the results.
My shirts are tighter, and my pants are tighter as well, and my waist is the same. I'd say that's favorable body comp.
Other Stuff:
I truly believe this is best used with higher frequency and overreaching routines (like HMA-FA). I do not think this would fit bro splits at all. Yes, a supplement is supposed to supplement your current diet/training and you should not have to modify it to see results. This is why I think that if you do not do high frequency training, then don't even bother with this stuff or you'll most likely be disappointed (unless you just like muscle pumps or something). I've used ecdysterone before, and now this. These both are supposed to work in similar ways, so it's not surprising that people dislike these two when using their normal training routines.
Also, this run was NOT cost efficient. The dosage I used was double dosing the standard product that normally costs 60-70 dollars. This makes 140 dollars a month, and 280 for two months, etc. I consider this a "time efficient" supplement, meaning it'll help your strength/gains in a short amount of time if you're willing to put in the work.
My programming was a bit off. I had to cut the run short by 2 weeks because of CNS fatigue. I monitor my resting heart rate every day, and try to keep track of my body in general (sleeping patterns, etc) and by the end of this week, I feel completely burnt out. What I will probably do next time is ramp up the intensity instead of just going all out from the very beginning, and maybe even try a 12 week run. Since the product is most noticeable at 3 weeks, I guess the best time to ramp everything up is around the 3rd week mark. Still, for a 6 week run, this stuff was amazing. I'll finish the bottles up during my deload and first week of my next training block, but this is something I'd definitely account for next time.
Those are my thoughts. Sorry I couldn't finish to the 8th week, but I tried my best. Between working a full time job, commuting for 3 hours with traffic, and an overall hectic lifestyle, I tried to pull it off. Thanks for following!
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Alright. This is going to be a long post. First, I'll summarize the basic effects I've noticed.
1) Increased vascularity
2) Increased recovery (and absolutely no DOMs after Week 2-3 and on of this run)
3) Great joint health
4) Better sleep
5) Increased strength
Main Lift Training Max Increases as of Today:
Bench Press: +15
Overhead Press: +15
Deadlift: +30
Front Squat: +20
My training experience is 3+ years, and I'm intermediate. These kinds of strength increases are pretty impressive to me considering the supposed "accumulating fatigue" I was supposed to be experiencing, because I got stronger throughout the run. Not only did I get stronger, but my form at higher percentiles got better. I've done high frequency training before, so I'd like to think this has nothing to do with "strength-skill" (lack of practice, etc). I've always based my training around the main compound lifts, so these are all well practiced except the Front Squat (I have considerable experience Front Squatting, but way more doing normal Squats).
Weight: ~206 --> 209.2
Waist Circumference: 37" --> 37"
Throughout this entire run, I had to modify my calories a bit. What I thought was my maintenance really wasn't, either due to the intensity of the program or due to the supplement helping me partition nutrients better. Initially, I dropped down to around 204 lbs, then I upped the calories. Can't say for sure, but my waist in the same as it's been the entire run (within the small range of variance) and my weight is up. It could be due to glycogen retention, or whatever, but my strength went way up so I'm pleased with the results.
My shirts are tighter, and my pants are tighter as well, and my waist is the same. I'd say that's favorable body comp.
Other Stuff:
I truly believe this is best used with higher frequency and overreaching routines (like HMA-FA). I do not think this would fit bro splits at all. Yes, a supplement is supposed to supplement your current diet/training and you should not have to modify it to see results. This is why I think that if you do not do high frequency training, then don't even bother with this stuff or you'll most likely be disappointed (unless you just like muscle pumps or something). I've used ecdysterone before, and now this. These both are supposed to work in similar ways, so it's not surprising that people dislike these two when using their normal training routines.
Also, this run was NOT cost efficient. The dosage I used was double dosing the standard product that normally costs 60-70 dollars. This makes 140 dollars a month, and 280 for two months, etc. I consider this a "time efficient" supplement, meaning it'll help your strength/gains in a short amount of time if you're willing to put in the work.
My programming was a bit off. I had to cut the run short by 2 weeks because of CNS fatigue. I monitor my resting heart rate every day, and try to keep track of my body in general (sleeping patterns, etc) and by the end of this week, I feel completely burnt out. What I will probably do next time is ramp up the intensity instead of just going all out from the very beginning, and maybe even try a 12 week run. Since the product is most noticeable at 3 weeks, I guess the best time to ramp everything up is around the 3rd week mark. Still, for a 6 week run, this stuff was amazing. I'll finish the bottles up during my deload and first week of my next training block, but this is something I'd definitely account for next time.
Those are my thoughts. Sorry I couldn't finish to the 8th week, but I tried my best. Between working a full time job, commuting for 3 hours with traffic, and an overall hectic lifestyle, I tried to pull it off. Thanks for following!
Danes
Well-known member
Feeling bigger and 3lbs up with the same waist as started after just 6 weeks is actually pretty good.actually impressive.your size results is like from a mild prohormone.
It seems like this product worked good for you and I would like to see which results could be seen with 6 caps daily.
It seems like this product worked good for you and I would like to see which results could be seen with 6 caps daily.
ChrisW
New member
Great log, I just started on this so I can't give any specific results yet. However, my mood seems to have improved a whole lot since I've started taking (currently 3 a day, will ramp up to 4-5) these, pure coincidence (or placebo) or is there any science behind laxogenin altering mood for the better?
rtmilburn
Well-known member
Idk about lax or ecdy specifically but adaptogens in general usually improve mood. I also did notice that effect when i took most wanted.
IFN15
Member
This is common with most wanted, better mood, recovery, growth, sleep improvement in joint pain.
ChrisW
New member
Update, been using this + Mesobolin 250 since my last post, I'm really digging the results so far, altho my 6kg (13lb gain) in 20 days is most likely mainly due to muscle memory (have had 2 years off.. lost all gains) and water/glycogen.
One thing concerns me however, lately I've experienced some kind of dizziness when moving around which i've never ever had before. Comes and goes within a few seconds, but happens a lot. My blood pressure has gone from 130/80 to 130/60. I've got no illness and have always been in good health. Might be that i'm overdosing this, 4 caps of each a day.
This is my form so far:
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One thing concerns me however, lately I've experienced some kind of dizziness when moving around which i've never ever had before. Comes and goes within a few seconds, but happens a lot. My blood pressure has gone from 130/80 to 130/60. I've got no illness and have always been in good health. Might be that i'm overdosing this, 4 caps of each a day.
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