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Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

Scoons33 said:
Anybody's bottle of 11-kt going way too quick? There is no way my bottle will last 30 days.... it has a couple days left, max.

Been doing 2 pumps ED and was planning on an 8 week cycle.
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AndrewMcD said:
Ive been thinking the same thing haha not even 2 weeks in and I have no idea how this will last 4 weeks. I've been using an oral syringe too measuring 2ml exactly each dose. ( 2 times a day)
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Scoons33 said:
I have been using the pump only. I assumed the pump was measuring improperly.
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These are the first reports we are having of this, that is very strange. If it was pump only I'd say that was to blame, but if one is using an oral syringe and exactly 2ml each time that cannot be the reason.

B Man said:
Lol! I hope the sarcasm in my original post came through.... dang keyboard!
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Sarcasm came through loud and clear, haha.
 
My bottle is nearing the end quicker than expected as well, I only used the pump so I just attributed that to dosing a bit more than expected per pump
 
Hello guys,
are currently on a low-calorie diet, my current integration is: Alphamine EU + Shift + formestane 100mg (Brawn).
I did two months of this integration ... in a few days it's all over ... :( I'll be no integration rest for one month.
Then I would start a new integration ... are quite confused!
Obviously the goal is always the same, fat loss, maintain muscle mass as possible.
I had thought of trying something new, type Ignit3 with SUP3R-11.

AI love the products, at the time I liked Nolvadren xt MAN, then tried Erase Pro V2 with good results, and now formestane ... perhaps the best!
Now I would like to try this Sup3r-11, how will?

Curious also exotherm, but here we go off topic and it is not right!

Sup3r-11 could be compared to what product?
 
Just to chime in, I was trusting the pump too, but I am starting to wonder. Bottle feels light but may have enough left, I don't know because I didn't open and look. But I've noticed that sometimes hardly any comes out, and others I get what I assume it should be, and then sometimes a little comes out and then at the end of the pump it explodes. I will just get a syringe. These pumps never dose properly. It's convenient but not accurate...true of every transdermal I've used in a pump.
 
HIT4ME said:
Just to chime in, I was trusting the pump too, but I am starting to wonder. Bottle feels light but may have enough left, I don't know because I didn't open and look. But I've noticed that sometimes hardly any comes out, and others I get what I assume it should be, and then sometimes a little comes out and then at the end of the pump it explodes. I will just get a syringe. These pumps never dose properly. It's convenient but not accurate...true of every transdermal I've used in a pump.
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When a desired dose is needed per serving/per pump, a pump similar to dermacrine's or any other topical that is accurate should be the norm. If it is known that a pump won't work well in terms of accuracy, a syringe should be supplied by the supplement company. ... just my thoughts.
While it is not the end of the world, I have probably been dosing 400mg +/- daily, Far more than I originally planned and I will either have to shorten my cycle or pony up for another bottle.

I will note, I have used OL many times and have tried practically their entire product line, this is the first real qc issue I have experienced. Hats off to them for that!
 
freakment said:
My bottle is nearing the end quicker than expected as well, I only used the pump so I just attributed that to dosing a bit more than expected per pump
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HIT4ME said:
Just to chime in, I was trusting the pump too, but I am starting to wonder. Bottle feels light but may have enough left, I don't know because I didn't open and look. But I've noticed that sometimes hardly any comes out, and others I get what I assume it should be, and then sometimes a little comes out and then at the end of the pump it explodes. I will just get a syringe. These pumps never dose properly. It's convenient but not accurate...true of every transdermal I've used in a pump.
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Scoons33 said:
When a desired dose is needed per serving/per pump, a pump similar to dermacrine's or any other topical that is accurate should be the norm. If it is known that a pump won't work well in terms of accuracy, a syringe should be supplied by the supplement company. ... just my thoughts.
While it is not the end of the world, I have probably been dosing 400mg +/- daily, Far more than I originally planned and I will either have to shorten my cycle or pony up for another bottle.

I will note, I have used OL many times and have tried practically their entire product line, this is the first real qc issue I have experienced. Hats off to them for that!
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Hey guys, just wanted to let you know that your remarks are noted and I'll do my best to look into it for ya!
 
There does not seem to be an issue with variability of product weight/volume. Those experiencing issues using the pump may be getting inconsistent amounts.
 
Today was the last of bottle # one- Lasted 19 days at 2 pumps ed... clearly the pump is WAY off!

Switching to the syringe method for bottle # two.
 
I love OL products but I have to say the pump is far from perfect. I've used trest transform numerous times and never has it lasted exactly how long it was supposed to usually the on the shorter end of the stick. Oral syringe is almost a must. Has there ever been a thought to do away w the pump? Maybe move towards something similar to the salvo or lg science style bottles w the measurement device / plunger all in one?
 
Scoons33 said:
Today was the last of bottle # one- Lasted 19 days at 2 pumps ed... clearly the pump is WAY off!

Switching to the syringe method for bottle # two.
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So you're saying you went through an entire bottle in 19 days? That would be 6.3ml used per day. I'm 20 days in, using the pump, and my bottle still has liquid left.

I'm also leaning out more than I ever have in my life, still seeing visible changes on a daily basis.
 
Hastur said:
So you're saying you went through an entire bottle in 19 days? That would be 6.3ml used per day. I'm 20 days in, using the pump, and my bottle still has liquid left.

I'm also leaning out more than I ever have in my life, still seeing visible changes on a daily basis.
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Yep, 19 days and gone. It appears instead of 250mg, I was taking close to 395mg...
I am surprised I am not down to 4% bf- haha
 
Scoons33 said:
Yep, 19 days and gone. It appears instead of 250mg, I was taking close to 395mg...
I am surprised I am not down to 4% bf- haha
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That's a pretty big dosage, so you said you're leaning out, specifically around your core, and increasing in vascularity? Any side effects?
 
Hastur said:
That's a pretty big dosage, so you said you're leaning out, specifically around your core, and increasing in vascularity? Any side effects?
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The only thing I have noticed is maybe increased BP (random red ears and face). It was never to the point that I thought it needed to be checked so not sure if it was elevated.
 
Scoons33 said:
The only thing I have noticed is maybe increased BP (random red ears and face). It was never to the point that I thought it needed to be checked so not sure if it was elevated.
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That's the androgenic qualities for you, I get the exact same with more androgenic compounds. Actually, it's specifically my upper chest. It'll get red, and is hot to the touch. Like, I'll radiate heat. But it's good that so far we've seen no reports on acne, lethargy, etc. 11-KT really is mild on the side effects.
 
I want to get a months run on it...may have to ease up on pumps. 2 in morning and maybe a half later on. What do you guys think?
 
khall1974 said:
I want to get a months run on it...may have to ease up on pumps. 2 in morning and maybe a half later on. What do you guys think?
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You should only be doing 2 pumps a day for a month run. 2 pumps = 250mg
 
khall1974 said:
I know...with all the running low and pump issues I dont want it to run out. Just thinking ahead
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So then why would you run MORE than what is recommended for a month run? You'll run out even sooner lmao.
 
khall1974 said:
I know...with all the running low and pump issues I dont want it to run out. Just thinking ahead
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But you stated you're using 2.5 pumps a day if its 2 in the morning and a half later on. So, you won't get a month out of it by using it as such. Try this:

1 light pump in the AM
1 light pump in the PM

For 2 light pumps total per day. Hopefully that keeps it more accurate for you.
 
a good idea is get oral syringe they r normally a good size and use regular pump to pump it inside the syringe that's what I'm gonna do and then u can actually see how much the pump eject .
 
I'm confused, I thought all products containing 11-kt were part of the 2014 ban. Products like CEL 11-sterone and xosterone (transdermal) were discontinued

(ok now i'm realizing that 11-oxo converts to 11-kt)

but so that means 250mg Transdermal 11-kt would far exceed what my 200-400mg transdermal 11-oxo used to do?
 
flarestar said:
I'm confused, I thought all products containing 11-kt were part of the 2014 ban. Products like CEL 11-sterone and xosterone (transdermal) were discontinued

(ok now i'm realizing that 11-oxo converts to 11-kt)

but so that means 250mg Transdermal 11-kt would far exceed what my 200-400mg transdermal 11-oxo used to do?
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Yes. I believe I read on here where 250mg was something like 1g - 1 1/2g orally of oxo. I could be wrong though.
 
flarestar said:
I'm confused, I thought all products containing 11-kt were part of the 2014 ban. Products like CEL 11-sterone and xosterone (transdermal) were discontinued

(ok now i'm realizing that 11-oxo converts to 11-kt)

but so that means 250mg Transdermal 11-kt would far exceed what my 200-400mg transdermal 11-oxo used to do?
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11-KT was never banned. There were products that contained it that were discontinued, but for a variety of reasons, not due to the compound being banned. 11-OXO does convert to 11-KT, as is explained in the first post/guide. I also state in the guide we cannot draw direct comparisons due to a multitude of factors, but anecdotally 250mg 11-KT outperforms 1000mg 11-OXO.
 
So a few thoughts on the 11-KT packaging and use. NONE of which is meant to be criticism but rather helpful.

1) There is no doubt the pump is significantly overdosing 1ml. I would imagine 2 weeks in I had roughly another weeks worth of squirts at 2 a day.

2) Do not leave the bottle where it will get extremely warm. I had a third of a bottle pressurize from the heat and it all rose up and leaked out the nozzle. I travel a lot so it was in my car. My carpet will likely get very lean now.

3) It appears to me that the solution has a hard time holding 125 mg per ml. The last little bits in the bottle have an insane amount of hormone in them. When I applied it my entire shoulders turned white like they were painted.

What I will be doing with bottles 2 through 4

1) I am going to transfer a bottle to a 1 pt Mason jar I bought. Nice wide mouth to fit dropper in.

2) I am going to add more carrier to cut 33% and heat in a water bath to better incorporate the powder. Ill just up to 3 squirts then. Any advice on what carrier to incorporate would be appreciated.

These are just my opinion on how I will improve using this and maximizing efficacy.
 
jcam222 said:
So a few thoughts on the 11-KT packaging and use. NONE of which is meant to be criticism but rather helpful.

1) There is no doubt the pump is significantly overdosing 1ml. I would imagine 2 weeks in I had roughly another weeks worth of squirts at 2 a day.

2) Do not leave the bottle where it will get extremely warm. I had a third of a bottle pressurize from the heat and it all rose up and leaked out the nozzle. I travel a lot so it was in my car. My carpet will likely get very lean now.

3) It appears to me that the solution has a hard time holding 125 mg per ml. The last little bits in the bottle have an insane amount of hormone in them. When I applied it my entire shoulders turned white like they were painted.

What I will be doing with bottles 2 through 4

1) I am going to transfer a bottle to a 1 pt Mason jar I bought. Nice wide mouth to fit dropper in.

2) I am going to add more carrier to cut 33% and heat in a water bath to better incorporate the powder. Ill just up to 3 squirts then. Any advice on what carrier to incorporate would be appreciated.

These are just my opinion on how I will improve using this and maximizing efficacy.
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I finished a bottle and the "little bits" were consistent throughout. I did shake well before each application. If you haven't been shaking, give it a shot.
 
jcam222 said:
So a few thoughts on the 11-KT packaging and use. NONE of which is meant to be criticism but rather helpful.

1) There is no doubt the pump is significantly overdosing 1ml. I would imagine 2 weeks in I had roughly another weeks worth of squirts at 2 a day.

2) Do not leave the bottle where it will get extremely warm. I had a third of a bottle pressurize from the heat and it all rose up and leaked out the nozzle. I travel a lot so it was in my car. My carpet will likely get very lean now.

3) It appears to me that the solution has a hard time holding 125 mg per ml. The last little bits in the bottle have an insane amount of hormone in them. When I applied it my entire shoulders turned white like they were painted.

What I will be doing with bottles 2 through 4

1) I am going to transfer a bottle to a 1 pt Mason jar I bought. Nice wide mouth to fit dropper in.

2) I am going to add more carrier to cut 33% and heat in a water bath to better incorporate the powder. Ill just up to 3 squirts then. Any advice on what carrier to incorporate would be appreciated.

These are just my opinion on how I will improve using this and maximizing efficacy.
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It's not 125mg per ml, its 125mg per 2 ml. Pumps are very hard to accurately dose as theres no universal pump for the different types of transdermals we make. It's also a cosmetic item, therefore for precise dosing we encourage using the syringe. I'm sure all of you loyal OL UK fans have one by now :)
 
Olympus UK said:
It's not 125mg per ml, its 125mg per 2 ml. Pumps are very hard to accurately dose as theres no universal pump for the different types of transdermals we make. It's also a cosmetic item, therefore for precise dosing we encourage using the syringe. I'm sure all of you loyal OL UK fans have one by now :)
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Hopefully you don't take my post as negative feedback. Love the product. For me I feel as though what I noted will make even better use of it. If I wanted to cut if with additional carrier by a 3rd can you advise what to add as carrier?
 
Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need ...

jcam222 said:
Hopefully you don't take my post as negative feedback. Love the product. For me I feel as though what I noted will make even better use of it. If I wanted to cut if with additional carrier by a 3rd can you advise what to add as carrier?
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You could use salvo as a carrier addition
 
jcam222 said:
Hopefully you don't take my post as negative feedback. Love the product. For me I feel as though what I noted will make even better use of it. If I wanted to cut if with additional carrier by a 3rd can you advise what to add as carrier?
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I hear you on this. When I used XI-KT, which had 85 mg/ml (this has 62.5 mg/ml) I felt it was way too little carrier. OL has improved this situation greatly....but more carrier wouldn't hurt in most situations, IMO.

Salvo could work. Hand sanitizer could work.

Another option, if you want to go harder, is 12 ml of DMSO and 12 ml of 90+% rubbing alcohol. This would be a 20% increase in the carrier, will thin the carrier a little so you don't have viscosity issues with the dropper, and the DMSO will improve absorption slightly. At 12 ml DMSO + 12 ml alcohol + 120 ml of Sup3r-11 - the DMSO will accound for just over 8% of the total solution, which will yield just about 0.4 ml/day if you are using 4.8 ml of this solution (which will yield the 4 ml of Sup3r-11). 0.4 ml/day should help keep the bad breath and smells from DMSO to a minimum in most people.
 
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