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Introducing SUP3R-11 - The Ultimate 11-Ketotestosterone Guide - All you need to know!

You say to apply 30-60 pre workout, but I work out at 6:30 am on a daily basis. What would be the best time to use this? I know you also said not to interfere with the morning cortisol rise. Is there any benefit from taking prior to working out?
 
GNO said:
Just my personal preference. I run my mild bridge (kicker) on the front end of my cycles. Once I come off methyls I want to work on re-starting HPTA ASAP!

Ex. Week 1-4: 11-kt
Week 4-10: 11-kt + ph stack
Week 10-14: PCT (Sup3r PCT, SERM,
EU, SU)
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Yeah, that is what I would call orthodox.
 
spqrroma said:
Hastur, if the target is recomp+strength what do you think about 11-kt + Epiandro + 1-andro for 8 weeks + PCT clomid/superpct ? Age 46. Thanks for your help!
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That would be a very dry, strength-based recomp cycle. You'd get fat loss, strength gains, muscle mass gains, it would do everything you want it to! It looks good to me! If you need help lying out the dosages, feel free to ask, brother!

Bradruz said:
I've decided not to run sup3r-11 as my first cycle due to any potential contamination risk to loved ones. I was looking forward to running this but got ahead of myself.

Any recommendations in what oral to try instead for a cut for a beginner cycle and 43 years of age?
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A beginner oral-only cutting cycle for someone in their 40s? EpiAndro and 1-Andro would be dry, wouldn't be too strong for a beginner, and would require minimal on-cycle support. In your shoes, that would be my go-to cycle for those particular goals.

Feiwong said:
Hastur my cycle consists of epistane/trenavar/epiandro. What about bridging into Pct with sup3r-11. And if ok do you recommend 4 or 8 weeks. Possible rebound estro during Sup3r-11 after epistane? Pct will be Clomid and Sup3r Pct.
Thanks
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If you are experienced enough, I'd go with 8 weeks, no doubt. Better results the longer it's run. No estrogen rebound with SUP3R-11 if you use it after Epistane, you'll still be suppressed and the androgenic qualities of 11-KT will keep it from happening. However, it's when you're in PCT that estrogen rebound is most likely. I'd have an AI on hand like Exemestane in addition to your Clomid and SUP3R PCT. Just in case!

B Man said:
Running it with your Tr1umph (PH) for a recomp.

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I will sub immediately, brother! Thanks for sharing!

Jmalins23 said:
You say to apply 30-60 pre workout, but I work out at 6:30 am on a daily basis. What would be the best time to use this? I know you also said not to interfere with the morning cortisol rise. Is there any benefit from taking prior to working out?
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Any anabolic product will be beneficial prior to working out, however, in your shoes, I'd dose it later in the day. You will still get the desired effect of increased strength, fat loss, etc. Just not the pre-workout boost that comes with acute dosing.
 
Hastur i'm thinking a dosage of: week 1/8 1-andro 330, Epiandro 500, Yk-11 250; week9/12 clomid 50/50/25/25 + superpct + epic unleashed
 
I'm Running SP3R-11 (8 weeks) with RAD-140 (4 Weeks), S-4 (8 Weeks) and TestStack 17 through out entire cycle. Any thought on PCT? I have Liquid Clomid, Liquid Nova, Liquid Exemestane and SUP3R PCT on hand.
 
Hastur 6 weeks phs + 8 weeks Sup3r-11 + 4/6 Pct seems veeery long. Maybe I'll go with only 4 weeks bridging into Pct lasting a total of 18/20 weeks. What dose dou you recommend after that cycle and bridging into Pct?
 
spqrroma said:
Hastur i'm thinking a dosage of: week 1/8 1-andro 330, Epiandro 500, Yk-11 250; week9/12 clomid 50/50/25/25 + superpct + epic unleashed
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I sure hope you mean 11-KT and not YK-11, because one is well researched and the other is not. 250mg YK-11 may be very dangerous, and very expensive, haha. Otherwise, that look good, bro. You could run lower Clomid if you wish, but it's personal preference.

KC41 said:
I'm Running SP3R-11 (8 weeks) with RAD-140 (4 Weeks), S-4 (8 Weeks) and TestStack 17 through out entire cycle. Any thought on PCT? I have Liquid Clomid, Liquid Nova, Liquid Exemestane and SUP3R PCT on hand.
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Clomid with SUP3R PCT will be sufficient. Exemestane only if you encounter Estrogenic side effects. For a cycle that mild you can do 50/25/12.5/12.5 Clomid.

Feiwong said:
Hastur 6 weeks phs + 8 weeks Sup3r-11 + 4/6 Pct seems veeery long. Maybe I'll go with only 4 weeks bridging into Pct lasting a total of 18/20 weeks. What dose dou you recommend after that cycle and bridging into Pct?
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I think there is a bit of misunderstanding here, perhaps. I'd do a 12-week cycle, max. And preferentially do 8 weeks total, the first 2 with SUP3R-11 solo, then adding in the PHs for the last 6 weeks of the cycle. Then jumping into a 4 week PCT. That's 12-weeks total Cycle+PCT. 20 weeks is far too long.
 
khall1974 said:
Just got my 11kt in mail...what is the best way to apply for absorption and to deter cross contamination?
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Wherever you won't be rubbing it against someone else. On your chest which is then covered by a shirt is the most logical option. If the shirt comes off and you are risking contamination, then something like the tops of your feet and leaving socks on is also a possibly. I personally don't rub against anyone, so I put it on the optimal absorption sites, neck, traps, collar bones.
 
Hastur said:
Wherever you won't be rubbing it against someone else. On your chest which is then covered by a shirt is the most logical option. If the shirt comes off and you are risking contamination, then something like the tops of your feet and leaving socks on is also a possibly. I personally don't rub against anyone, so I put it on the optimal absorption sites, neck, traps, collar bones.
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Ahh the risk of clothes coming off, very high especially when I run epistane ;)
 
Thanks Hastur, If I chose to run the Nova instead of the Clomid do you think it would be a mistake. I only as because I haven't ran any SERMS from the source I got the Clomid from and didn't want to take a chance.
 
KC41 said:
Thanks Hastur, If I chose to run the Nova instead of the Clomid do you think it would be a mistake. I only as because I haven't ran any SERMS from the source I got the Clomid from and didn't want to take a chance.
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Nolvadex is fine, Clomid is typically regarded as better for HPTA restarting however. Both are inferior to Toremifene in my eyes, but I have pharma Clomid for my PCT a few weeks down the line. It gets the job done.
 
Thanks again Hastur, I may just get some Clomid for a trusted source until I try some of their other products.
 
josun said:
This might seem like a really dumb question but would this make my face really red?
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You didn't apply it to your face I hope. If it increases your BP, it may cause redness. I have had some i creased body temp which has caused my face to be hot and red, which is hard to say of it is just because of the 11-KT because I am also taking a small dose of t3
 
Hastur,
How's this look??
Td 11-Kt 1-8
Derma Tren or Derma trest. 1-8
Rad 1-4
Ostarine 1-8
Pct Clomid.
I've ran the old X1-Kt and Tren before. My goal is build muscle and lose body fat.
Would love to try the trest but scared of the sides and unknown what extra products needed.
On cycle I use Armicare and super pct after.
I could replace osta for Lgd??
Also have Epistane which I've never used and Halo!
I stocked up lol!
I have always found Ph and even Osta hard on the libido. No pun intended!! I presume trest would resolve this.
Even with solo Osta I needed dermacrine which still didn't help much. I do seem to go full shutdown pretty quickly!
Thanks for everyone's help in deciding next cycle.
 
Also previously otc pct options were mentioned.
I use td Epic unleashed which I love. What else should I add to prevent loss off cycle! Any thought? Cheers Guys!
 
OK so I've seen AM dosing both recommended and then recommended against. Which is correct? I've been dosing 2ml about 30min after waking up and another 2ml either pre or post workout. I'm not worried about whats convenient as much as I'm worried about what is optimal. I'm sure I can find 2 minutes at any time of day to apply.
 
To get optimal dosing, before each application you must tap your right foot 3 times, click your heels together once, twice, and say these words exactly "I wish I had gainz" YOU MUST EMPHASIZE THE Z!!! This is imperative to your success.
Then you must dance in a circle like the Native Americans do.
Finally, as you apply your Sup3r-11, you must flex your legs as hard as possible until you are done applying.
Good luck!
 
khall1974 said:
How long does it take to absorb into the skin?
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I cannot guarantee a time, but I would assume minimum 30 mins. However, I would still be cautious about contacting women or children, maybe wait at least 1-2 hours.
 
BamBam0319 said:
To get optimal dosing, before each application you must tap your right foot 3 times, click your heels together once, twice, and say these words exactly "I wish I had gainz" YOU MUST EMPHASIZE THE Z!!! This is imperative to your success.
Then you must dance in a circle like the Native Americans do.
Finally, as you apply your Sup3r-11, you must flex your legs as hard as possible until you are done applying.
Good luck!
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Luckily this is my exact routine so it would appear I haven't been wasting my bottle so far.
 
rotherhammad said:
Hastur,
How's this look??
Td 11-Kt 1-8
Derma Tren or Derma trest. 1-8
Rad 1-4
Ostarine 1-8
Pct Clomid.
I've ran the old X1-Kt and Tren before. My goal is build muscle and lose body fat.
Would love to try the trest but scared of the sides and unknown what extra products needed.
On cycle I use Armicare and super pct after.
I could replace osta for Lgd??
Also have Epistane which I've never used and Halo!
I stocked up lol!
I have always found Ph and even Osta hard on the libido. No pun intended!! I presume trest would resolve this.
Even with solo Osta I needed dermacrine which still didn't help much. I do seem to go full shutdown pretty quickly!
Thanks for everyone's help in deciding next cycle.
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The cycle looks good! You can add Epistane or Halo to it, as long as you add TUDCA for liver support. And you could definitely replace Ostarine with LGD, if you are more about recomping than cutting. If you use Trest, you need Exemestane and Cabergoline while on cycle to manage it. And Raloxifene on hand in case of gyno. Trest may or may not resolve libido issues, its highly individual.
 
Any Thoughts on adding SUP3R-EPI to this cycle or just wait for the next??

(I'm Running SP3R-11 (8 weeks) with RAD-140 (4 Weeks), S-4 (8 Weeks) and TestStack 17 through out entire cycle.
 
KC41 said:
Any Thoughts on adding SUP3R-EPI to this cycle or just wait for the next??

(I'm Running SP3R-11 (8 weeks) with RAD-140 (4 Weeks), S-4 (8 Weeks) and TestStack 17 through out entire cycle.
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What is "TestStack"
 
KC41 said:
It's a test booster by Test Stack RX. It works, but crazy expensive. (Bio Nutraceutical LLC. )
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Why would you run a test booster while your taking hormones? Save it for PCT or after PCT.
 
khall1974 said:
What is the exact dosing? The directions seem under dosed based on what I have been reading.
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1 pump = 125mg
2 pumps = 250mg
4 pumps = 500mg
 
NewAgeMayan said:
Hastur's writeup, the OP of the thread, is accurate. Have you been reading another websites info on this?
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Wait....what? There's a write up in here somewhere? The first page you say? Whaaaaa?
 
khall1974 said:
What is the exact dosing? The directions seem under dosed based on what I have been reading.
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It took Woody interpreting your question for me to see what you are getting at, and if you are comparing this to 11-Oxo dosing, 250 mg of 11-KT will be slightly better than an oral dose of 11-oxo at 1000-1250 mg. This product is almost 3X the daily dose of XI-KT from Iron Legion and most people loved Iron Legion's version. I personally always thought Iron Legion's 85 mg/day dose was too little - 250 mg is where this stuff should be run.
 
khall1974 said:
Love the ball busting guys...
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Not really directed at you man. Not really directed at anyone in particular....just jokin' round.
 
HIT4ME said:
It took Woody interpreting your question for me to see what you are getting at, and if you are comparing this to 11-Oxo dosing, 250 mg of 11-KT will be slightly better than an oral dose of 11-oxo at 1000-1250 mg. This product is almost 3X the daily dose of XI-KT from Iron Legion and most people loved Iron Legion's version. I personally always thought Iron Legion's 85 mg/day dose was too little - 250 mg is where this stuff should be run.
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This is something people constantly ask me about, and it's hard to put exact numbers on it because they want citations, but anecdotal reports support this comparison and I think it's important to know. Even at the higher dosages of 11-OXO, people seem to prefer 11-KT for the same goals.
 
Hastur said:
This is something people constantly ask me about, and it's hard to put exact numbers on it because they want citations, but anecdotal reports support this comparison and I think it's important to know. Even at the higher dosages of 11-OXO, people seem to prefer 11-KT for the same goals.
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It's hard to compare because 1250 mg of 11-oxo probably doesn't convert to 250 mg of 11-kt, but 11-oxo does have some activity itself that I think aids it's effectiveness...
 
HIT4ME said:
It's hard to compare because 1250 mg of 11-oxo probably doesn't convert to 250 mg of 11-kt, but 11-oxo does have some activity itself that I think aids it's effectiveness...
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Mhmm, and there are a lot of variables when it comes to conversion. With 11-KT being already active, you get what you want. Major perk in my opinion.
 
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