Intravenous Vitamin C => insulin sensitivity => Fatloss

datBtrue

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I found this interesting (Vit C & Fatloss)...it is taken from an interview w/ Charles Poliquin at T-nation. The part about Milos & 3rd degree burns at the end is interesting too.

TC: Hey, what were you telling me the other day about intravenous Vitamin C and insulin sensitivity and hyperbaric chambers?

CP: Well, I got bit in the ass by a brown recluse spider and I got mono-like symptoms, and I never felt so bad in my life. I talked to one of my reps, and she referred me to a doctor in Denver and I went to see this guy who treated me with Vitamin C. First they confirmed that it was a brown recluse spider bite, and I was in danger, basically, of losing my butt cheek.

I got treated with the Vitamin C and put in a hyperbaric chamber, and within 36 hours I was asymptomatic. I still had a lump of venom in there, and I kept doing the treatments and I got rid of the venom and all the effects.

When you get bit by a brown recluse, you get necrotic fasciaitis, so people who get bit in the nose can lose their nose, people who get bit in the arm can lose their arm, etc, so by doing the super-high dose of Vitamin C—I was getting 180 grams twice a day–by IV, I was able to save my tissue.

However, interestingly, the guy told me that he had to monitor my blood sugar every 20 minutes. He said that such a high dose of Vitamin C has a considerable glycemic response, so I actually had to drink a gallon of grape juice while getting this Vitamin C treatment because my blood sugar levels were just falling,

However, after doing the Vitamin C, and despite ingesting so many carbs, I was actually leaner when I left the clinic!

Then I went on-line and found the research that intravenous Vitamin C changes insulin sensitivity, so I started experimenting on myself. I was at 6% body fat when I started to do 180 grams of Vitamin C twice a week for a month, and I got down to 2.8% body fat without changing anything else. I asked the doctors on my staff to start using the procedure on my athletes and we figured out that in 4 weeks, we could get body composition changes in 4 weeks that we normally get in 10 weeks.

TC: How did this tie in with the hyperbaric chamber?

CP: The hyperbaric chamber was to treat the brown recluse bite, so if you do the IV while in the chamber, the IV is more efficient.

For example, a while back, Milos Sarcev burned himself severely while making a movie. He had 3rd degree burns and looked like burned steak! He was supposed to have a skin graft and stay in the hospital a month, but one of my patients is the director of the burn center at Harvard, so he called the burn center in Arizona and told them to let me do whatever I want, so I gave Milos a ****load of antioxidants including Vitamin C and put him in the hyperbaric chamber. Two days after the treatment, he no longer needed a skin graft and he was released a week after.

I now use it with athletes to improve recovery. It even improves brain function. I was amazed at how mentally sharp I was every time I did an IV in the chamber.
 
I know followers of the Nobel Laureate and orthomolecular scientist, Dr. Linus Pauling (1901 - 1994), use very high-dose Vitamin C, in some cases, up to 100gr daily for therapeutic purposes. Dr. Pauling himself consumed 10gr daily for most of his life and lived into his 90s, attributing his age to Vitamin C support.
I also know that Vitamin C is important in fat synthesis. The two-time per week 180gr dosage protocol Mr. Poliquin mentioned, though, is a completely new thing to me. And that intravenously! With the ridiculously low RDA for Vitamin C, some people even get nervous to consume up to 2g daily. I personally shoot for about 6g daily. Oral. 180g twice a week, intravenously, is a completely new ball game. Would have sounded more tempting, if it were oral!
 
I just think it highlights where oral supplementation fails and IV prevails. I mean your GI tract can only absorb so much yet when you go to huge IV doses you get these amazing results. There is no f'ing way I would try to down 100 grams of C orally..10-20 rips me up already.

Also, do NOT discount the hyperbaric treatments. Oxygen therapies hold enormous potential for all sorts of illness and can supercharge the healing process. Studies have shown that 20 HBO treatments can put an otherwise drug unresponsive ulcerative colitis patient into remission. If you know anything about UC, you'll realize the significance of this.
 
It's cool, but certainly not cheap.

I heard about a study recently about vitamin C actually reduces the body's adaptation to endurance training and reduces improvement in performance.
 
could this 180g be taken orally in powder form mixed with the grape juice? or would this be more detrimental than otherwise?
 
could this 180g be taken orally in powder form mixed with the grape juice? or would this be more detrimental than otherwise?


Necro you would SH*T your brains out. I am wondering how the guys above even built up their daily dosages to 6 or more grams per day........ as a matter of fact guys can you reccomend a cood way to build up to that high a dosage without spending the day in the toilet? I would love to be able to take in that much vitamin C but I have to be able to leave the house :(



Mr.50
 
you could possibly add like 1/4 of a pill every couple days untill your at that kind of dosage

but aside from the laxative effect, would it still yield the same results as the injection? if so i think i can handle excess ****ting twice a week.:dump:
 
You guys get the sh!tz from Vit C?
 
I cannot imagine what 2.8% BF looks like.
:blink:

Creepy comes to mind.
 
...I am wondering how the guys above even built up their daily dosages to 6 or more grams per day........ as a matter of fact guys can you reccomend a cood way to build up to that high a dosage without spending the day in the toilet? I would love to be able to take in that much vitamin C but I have to be able to leave the house :(



Mr.50

The key is to split the oral dosage. I use 1000mg Vitamin C capsules. As you know, because Ascorbic Acid is water-soluble, the "excess" will be released via urination. This is why a split of the oral dosage is crucial. Try one 1000mg capsule three times daily with meals, if you have absorption issues with ascorbic acid. Then ramp up slowly. It might help if you used Vitamin C blended with bioflavonoids, as these further improve absorption and bioavailability.
 
I cannot imagine what 2.8% BF looks like.
:blink:...
This is probably an extreme case, and definitely not something to aspire to, in my opinion. I doubt it is healthy! Besides, I fail to see the long-term benefits of such a low body-fat percentage.
 
This is probably an extreme case, and definitely not something to aspire to, in my opinion. I doubt it is healthy! Besides, I fail to see the long-term benefits of such a low body-fat percentage.

well...if you were 2.8% body fat for your whole life, and had a decent amount of muscle mass on you, you would be damn sexy.:bb2:
 
well...if you were 2.8% body fat for your whole life, and had a decent amount of muscle mass on you, you would be damn sexy.:bb2:

I think 2% is absolutely 'essential' and anything under 5% should/could only be held for a few days at most.
 
I've read before that intravenous Vitamin C was successful at treating some cancers (I believe it was in Life Extension Magazine - lef.org).
 
Okay first off, NO 180g orally isn't going to do what 180g IV will. For one you'd be ****ting out most of it and this is just plain stupid to try. Oral absorption of large doses is fair at best even in 1g doses.

If you do your own vitamin C IV be careful you don't go into a coma from blood sugar dropping too low. Seriously, I wouldn't **** with it. I'd have a doc that has experience monitor it. I've heard around $100 a pop per IV.
 
I'd like to try this someday i know NFL guys have been doing vitamin c and magnesium drips i believe, also aminos.
 
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so your saying ingesting oral vitamin C with a meal will increase insulin sensitivity

Possibly to a minute degree. Note the dosages used in the IVs though were outrageous. There is no way one could possibly absorb an amount anywhere near that orally. The body simply cannot process that much orally, most of it will just go to waste. Plus what everyone else has said about the unimaginable bowel movements that would be associated in trying to ingest that much Vitamin C.
 
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