Insulin

StanleyG said:
Sorry I haven't posted . I have been away. Yes you can. This is another are where a BGM is a necessity. When you fnd you blood sugar starting to rise it is a sign of insulin resistance developing. You need to either take a break or go 5days on 2 off and on the off days use a GDA (glucose disposal agent) to offset this effect. Honestly for the less advanced I recommend taking a break of a few week and hopping back on. Also the 5 on 2 off is not a bad protocol to adapt in any case right from go.
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I have heard of but haven't researched GDA. Could you elaborate more?
 
StanleyG said:
Glucophage (metaformin) or the supplement gynemma sylvestre works as well.
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Oooohhhh haha ok I got you. I actually have 50 metformin tabs. I totally had a brain fart and wasn't thinking.
 
Distilled Water said:
Seems like dosing pre-workout is the way to go 10-15 min pre with some peptopro and quick carbs and then some BCAA quick carbs sipped on intra
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Definitely a good plan in that. I'd add your creatine in as well.

You seem to get great mps this way.

And I'd say def slam carbs in a meal post workout top
 
Distilled Water said:
Seems like dosing pre-workout is the way to go 10-15 min pre with some peptopro and quick carbs and then some BCAA quick carbs sipped on intra
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I am up to 10iu prewo 45 minutes before. 25 minutes before 50g Isolate protein, 70g dextrose carbs with 5g leucine and 5g cee.

Intra is 50g carbs, 10g bcaas, and 5g glutamine.

Pump is OUTRAGEOUS. I am up 5lbs in 6 days.
 
DangerDave said:
I am up to 10iu prewo 45 minutes before. 25 minutes before 50g Isolate protein, 70g dextrose carbs with 5g leucine and 5g cee.

Intra is 50g carbs, 10g bcaas, and 5g glutamine.

Pump is OUTRAGEOUS. I am up 5lbs in 6 days.
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You were doing post workout to begin with, correct? Notice more from pre?

EBF Inc said:
Definitely a good plan in that. I'd add your creatine in as well. You seem to get great mps this way. And I'd say def slam carbs in a meal post workout top
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Yes sir! Roughly 200-300 grams in this window should yield some huge, lean gains with 10-15iu's

Add some GH in about 15min before the slin....game over
 
Distilled Water said:
You were doing post workout to begin with, correct? Notice more from pre?

Yes sir! Roughly 200-300 grams in this window should yield some huge, lean gains with 10-15iu's

Add some GH in about 15min before the slin....game over
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No preworkout from the start. Total its about 250g of carbs and 100g of protein plus the Bcaa, glutamine etc all in my 4 hour window followed by 5 eggs, veggied and protein at 4 hour mark.

Had a couple people comment and ask what I am taking. My pump is beyond unreal. Plus I am at 3iu GH ed about to bump to 4iu.

My body is a furnace too with slin, gh, sust, tren and mast. I blow through 4k calories like its nothing.
 
DangerDave said:
No preworkout from the start. Total its about 250g of carbs and 100g of protein plus the Bcaa, glutamine etc all in my 4 hour window followed by 5 eggs, veggied and protein at 4 hour mark. Had a couple people comment and ask what I am taking. My pump is beyond unreal. Plus I am at 3iu GH ed about to bump to 4iu. My body is a furnace too with slin, gh, sust, tren and mast. I blow through 4k calories like its nothing.
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I'm sure!! Thanks for the feedback, it's right on par with others I've spoken with using this protocol.
 
I haven't read much of the thread but I will give you my two cents.

I take 15iu's of humulin R U-100 every morning.

The 10g of carbs per iu of insulin spill is to be completely safe.

Although, I believe it is unnecessary.
You will get fat as hell after a while of doing that.

I take 15iu's of insulin and eat around 50-60g of carbs 30 minutes later, along with creatine.


It all depends on you though brother. Try different amounts, changing a little here and there.
You can lower your carbs, but keep something carb heavy on hand incase you begin to feel light headed.

I took too long to eat one morning and felt loopy as hell. So make sure you eat when you are supposed to.


I usually use it throughout my bulking season. I don't cycle off until I diet down.

I also get blood tests and check ups at the beginning and end of every dosing period.
Functionality is the same before and after.

So don't get the idea that your pancreas will stop producing insulin because you are taking an exogenous insulin.

That will happen, only if you are a complete idiot who uses too damn much, or if you use a mL syringe instead of an insulin syringe. Lol. Which actually happens. Ridiculous.

Make sure you buy the right syringes too. U-100 for u-100 type insulin. U-500 syringes for u-500 type insulin.

Kind of a no brainer and I'm sure you know most of this.

Like I said, just my two cents. Phone isn't loading the other pages so I don't know what has already been written. Haha.

This is what I do, and have been doing. It is what works for me.
Just be careful!

Insulin is pretty safe if you do your homework!
 
Cheif said:
I haven't read much of the thread but I will give you my two cents.

I take 15iu's of humulin R U-100 every morning.

The 10g of carbs per iu of insulin spill is to be completely safe.

Although, I believe it is unnecessary.
You will get fat as hell after a while of doing that.

I take 15iu's of insulin and eat around 50-60g of carbs 30 minutes later, along with creatine.

It all depends on you though brother. Try different amounts, changing a little here and there.
You can lower your carbs, but keep something carb heavy on hand incase you begin to feel light headed.

I took too long to eat one morning and felt loopy as hell. So make sure you eat when you are supposed to.

I usually use it throughout my bulking season. I don't cycle off until I diet down.

I also get blood tests and check ups at the beginning and end of every dosing period.
Functionality is the same before and after.

So don't get the idea that your pancreas will stop producing insulin because you are taking an exogenous insulin.

That will happen, only if you are a complete idiot who uses too damn much, or if you use a mL syringe instead of an insulin syringe. Lol. Which actually happens. Ridiculous.

Make sure you buy the right syringes too. U-100 for u-100 type insulin. U-500 syringes for u-500 type insulin.

Kind of a no brainer and I'm sure you know most of this.

Like I said, just my two cents. Phone isn't loading the other pages so I don't know what has already been written. Haha.

This is what I do, and have been doing. It is what works for me.
Just be careful!

Insulin is pretty safe if you do your homework!
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I'm new here but the post above if you do your hw your good to go.. Here is my protocol if anyone needs a help sheet don't start as much w 3 Injection until you understand how it works and how your body adjusts to it
6ius Pwo protein Karbolic (46g) creatine glutamine shake
7am
Meal2
9am
Meal2- 7oz ground turkey 40g sweet potato
11am
Meal 3
6ius 7oz ground turkey 44g sweet potato
Meal 4
1pm - 7oz ground turkey 40g sweet potato
Meal 5
3pm
6ius 44g sweet potato 7oz ground turkey Meal 6
5pm 40g sweet potato 7oz ground turkey
Meal 7
8pm
50g casein protein

Question for the slin vets is 18ius a good enough about and would it be easier to do 2, 10 iu injections?
 
superbeast668 said:
i just dug up the standard pre work out protocol i've seen for slin pwo. its a copy and paste because i dont want to/am too lazy to type it out. I've still never used slin so i cant comment on effectiveness or really answer questions. i'm mostly in here for learning purposes.


"The best single time is pre-workout, although you need to adhere to specific diet protocols.

Here is a pre-workout insulin protocol, which will kick your ass. Your not going to fnd a pre-workout protocol, which works better. I have tried dozens of different programs in my clients and none of them work as well.

Of course, keep in mind that there are many different ways to run insulin, but if your limiting it to only at workout times, try the following. 10 lbs in 1-2 weeks is common.

Lastly, I will assume you are thoroughy familiar with Insulin and know what signs to look for in the event of hypoglycemia. I am not going to type out all the warning signs or what to do in the event of a hypoglycemic attack. However, the following program is very unlikely to result in any type of serious hypoglycemic event, even in those with extreme inuslin sensitivity. I am also unaware of your bodyweight or dietary needs, so I will write a program which should be suitable for 1st time nsulin users between 200-250 lbs.



30 minutes before workout
Inject 15 IU Humalog
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams of Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
4.5 grams GPLC.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.
2 grams vitamin C.
500 mg Potassium.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams Hydrolyzed protein (whey, casein, or beef).
4.5 grams Leucine.
5 grams Micronized creatine monohydrate.
2 grams Beta alanine.
15 grams Glycerol monostearate.
10 grams glutamine.
3 grams Taurine.

60 minutes later
60 grams Vitargo, Karbolyn (or similar).
20 grams hydrolyzed protyein (whey, casein, or beef).


Note: You should consume a regular meal within 3-4 hours of beginning this protocol. Also, I don't recomnmend doing it if it has been 5 or more hours since you heve last eaten, as your blood suagr will be pretty low when you start....so try to get in your last meal within 3 to no more than 4 hours before beginning the protocol.

Lastly, since you will be drinking your last shake either at the end of your workout or very close to it (unless you workout for many hours), there is no need to eat a whole food meal assoonas the workout is over. You can wait a good hour after consuming your fina shake before eating a post-workout meal, as your body will already be supplied with all the nutrients it needs to grow.

This program will work very well for you. Give it a shot. 15 IU is a good starting dose of insulin for a pre-wrkout protocol. The amount of carbs and protien provided is more than enough to use up 15 IU of Slin, but if it worries you, somply use 10 IU for your 1st time and then go up to 15 the next time. Your pumps will be through the ****in' roof and you will quickly gain fullness, size and overall bodyweight. Bottom line: You will feel like you are using AAS for your first time all over again and will look much bigger within just 2 weeks. It will work better if you follow this protocol at least 5 times a week. Guys who train only 3 or 4 days a week don't notice quit as good of results because they're only using Slin 3-4 times per week."
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Nice - good info.
 
What about for a type 1 diabetic? If I take my normal insulin during the day an then take 15 extra pre workout will it work for me?
 
trender9182 said:
What about for a type 1 diabetic? If I take my normal insulin during the day an then take 15 extra pre workout will it work for me?
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As long as you get enough carbs so you don't go low... Do you carb count or just take a set amount each day? (I advise trying to get onto a pump, it'll help your numbers tremendously, overall health and it helped me drop 12-15% bodyfat since October while making gainz)
 
trender9182 said:
476 carbs. Can I have some advice on a carb, protein, fat ratios for mass?
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Yeah I got you man. Tell me what your cycling and how and when you train. Because fat/carb and protein TIMING is crucial.
 
Because i have been cycling for years an I always do big cycles but am changing my cycle am only doing 2 grams a week now 3 is too much right now I can't really afford it with the clomid an everything else I need to buy so am going down to 2.
 
trender9182 said:
Because i have been cycling for years an I always do big cycles but am changing my cycle am only doing 2 grams a week now 3 is too much right now I can't really afford it with the clomid an everything else I need to buy so am going down to 2.
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What brand test? Honestly if you need that much and aren't gunning for a procard in the next year there is no point. Your gear might be crappy if it's ugl. There is something wrong with your diet or training if you need that much.
 
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