Unanswered Insane Near Blackout Head Throbbing - DMZ / Winny Cycle

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I'm on a 50mg winny cycle after a failed (bunk) Var cycle for 2/3 weeks. Besides feeling like absolute Sh*t from the winny (not enough water) I decided to mix in some (aggressive labz) DMZ and I was at the gym Sunday night doing machine flies toward the end of my workout and this near blackout head throbbing hit me like a ton of bricks and I was just praying I didn't pass out at the gym. This is happened to me every so often through the years usually with PH's and usually takes a few days to clear out of my system..

I was 100% sure this was my blood pressure and thought I had it all figured out and I went to Dr's today only to find out my blood pressure was normal. I have been reading about blood pressure spikes and wanted to see if anyone else has had this issue before.

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hmm if the BP is in check it must be unrelated to the hormone cycle. you say its happened before but what was your BP like at those times?
 
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I don't know how to check my blood pressure and I'm not sure if I could have at those times - I guess I just wanted to see if anyone else had any experience with this and if the "blood pressure spike" at times was even a thing? Can I have normal blood pressure and have it spike sometimes?
 
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I don't know how to check my blood pressure and I'm not sure if I could have at those times - I guess I just wanted to see if anyone else had any experience with this and if the "blood pressure spike" at times was even a thing? Can I have normal blood pressure and have it spike sometimes?
When you strain your bp will elevate. It’s higher when you have sex and exercise, or when you’re excited. Holding your breath for a 1 rep max squat can sometimes cause nosebleeds it will momentarily get so high, and on deadlifts some guys even pass out.

YouTube how to use a home bp monitor and order one off Amazon if you really wanna see what’s going on most of the time.
 
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When you strain your bp will elevate. It’s higher when you have sex and exercise, or when you’re excited. Holding your breath for a 1 rep max squat can sometimes cause nosebleeds it will momentarily get so high, and on deadlifts some guys even pass out.

YouTube how to use a home bp monitor and order one off Amazon if you really wanna see what’s going on most of the time.
I don't know if I care "whats going on" as much as I just want it to stop. I guess bail on the DMZ? I just wanted a good oral base for my winny so i don't keep feeling like crap.
 
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I don't know if I care "whats going on" as much as I just want it to stop. I guess bail on the DMZ? I just wanted a good oral base for my winny so i don't keep feeling like crap.
Well that’s your first mistake. DMZ won’t give you any kind of energy or libido; it is predominately anabolic. Test is what you’re looking for there. Or at least some AndroHard cream.
 
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I don't know if I care "whats going on" as much as I just want it to stop. I guess bail on the DMZ? I just wanted a good oral base for my winny so i don't keep feeling like crap.
Well that’s your first mistake. DMZ won’t give you any kind of energy or libido; it is predominately anabolic. Test is what you’re looking for there. Or at least some AndroHard cream.
 
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I have the redcon original 4 andro (Somal 4)
Not as good as the 2 things I mentioned but definitely a better option than nothing. Take that with the winny and shelve the DMZ for now and bp should come down some.
 
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Not as good as the 2 things I mentioned but definitely a better option than nothing. Take that with the winny and shelve the DMZ for now and bp should come down some.
Andro Hard is better than 4 andro????!
 
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I don't know if I care "whats going on" as much as I just want it to stop.
Not to be a preacher but, well... this is aas, you must know what's going on! With this attitude I would advise you to stop using drugs that can really harm you, if you don't know what you are doing. The fact that you wanted to use DMZ as a "base" also clearly shows you don't have a clue.

That being said, Hyde explained basically all there is. Blackouts and/or "samba" - this is when you haven't blacked out but are near to it and you loose motor functions for a moment, and then another moment - are actually normal... If you get them without aas, then it's that more easy to get them on cycle.

As you clearly don't want to know what's going on I wont explain further lol Also can't advise you on stopping the cycle or not. What I can say is to add the 4 andro you are talking about in a large enough dose to get your test and estrogen in normal range. FYI for 4 andro this has to be a fairly large dose. Good luck
 
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Andro Hard is better than 4 andro????!
As a “test base,” yes. It’s a transdermal blend of androsterone and Epiandrosterone with esters attached so it lasts some hours after application. It will definitely increase energy and libido applied twice a day vs nothing. One bottle will also last a good 8 weeks, so it’s a solid value.

4andro isn’t worthless, but it’s in and out of the system in a couple hours so you need to take it 3-4x a day for sure divided up. Eating meals with some fat when you take it is essential to slow it down and aid absorption.
 
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As a “test base,” yes. It’s a transdermal blend of androsterone and Epiandrosterone with esters attached so it lasts some hours after application. It will definitely increase energy and libido applied twice a day vs nothing. One bottle will also last a good 8 weeks, so it’s a solid value.

4andro isn’t worthless, but it’s in and out of the system in a couple hours so you need to take it 3-4x a day for sure divided up. Eating meals with some fat when you take it is essential to slow it down and aid absorption.
Yeah, even in TD you just don’t feel 4 andro the way you feel androsterone and epiandrosterone. They’re just more potent neurosteroids than 4 DHEA, 4AD, and Test.
 
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This is a classic effect of elevated BP.

Normally when you strain you can feel your BP elevated, you can feel your pulse. If stressed, it might cause a headache.

On AAS, it might rise so high you really feel your pulse pounding in your head and hands. If you can’t handle it, there are things that can be done. Either by avoiding certain compounds, using cialis, using more AI, using nolva on cycle... it does depend on what is causing the elevation. Could be estrogen, could be water, salt, aldosterone, liver enzymes...
 
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Also, I had the exact same thing on Aggressive DMZ, but it wouldn’t happen until I dosed my arimacare pro and dhea. When I got rid of the arimacare and dhea it stopped. Adding the dhea back in, it didn’t return.

I also happened to take a dose of winstrol to relieve some water pressure in that instance. It’s logged here somewhere.
 
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As a “test base,” yes. It’s a transdermal blend of androsterone and Epiandrosterone with esters attached so it lasts some hours after application. It will definitely increase energy and libido applied twice a day vs nothing. One bottle will also last a good 8 weeks, so it’s a solid value.

4andro isn’t worthless, but it’s in and out of the system in a couple hours so you need to take it 3-4x a day for sure divided up. Eating meals with some fat when you take it is essential to slow it down and aid absorption.
Thank you for your response. Please understand that I am extremely interested in the specifics and what happens to me. I am just trying to learn about these AAS and the specific ones that I am taking and I am trying to absorb it all in microdoses. The amount of information to learn is honestly overwhelming.

I am a recovering addict so I am keeping all of my cycles contained to oral’s only. I will not pin. I have done a tremendous amount of cardio over the past few months and dropped a bunch of weight and wanted to do a cutting stack. It was suggested to me to do an Anavar only cycle and the stuff I got turned out to be fake. I had Winny saved for another time and started taking that as a Winny only cycle and went to my local supp shop for a test base (4 andro) and got talked into DMZ because it was the “closest thing to anavar” and so here I am....
 
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Thank you for your response. Please understand that I am extremely interested in the specifics and what happens to me. I am just trying to learn about these AAS and the specific ones that I am taking and I am trying to absorb it all in microdoses. The amount of information to learn is honestly overwhelming.

I am a recovering addict so I am keeping all of my cycles contained to oral’s only. I will not pin. I have done a tremendous amount of cardio over the past few months and dropped a bunch of weight and wanted to do a cutting stack. It was suggested to me to do an Anavar only cycle and the stuff I got turned out to be fake. I had Winny saved for another time and started taking that as a Winny only cycle and went to my local supp shop for a test base (4 andro) and got talked into DMZ because it was the “closest thing to anavar” and so here I am....
Well, the guy at the supp shop wasn’t entirely misspeaking I suppose. But you can get transdermal test gels if you look around often from the same kind of people selling winstrol, if you refuse to pin IM or Subq. Actually, you can often get eq, tren etc even in transdermal preparations.

is this the stuff you put on your sac?

(*file this under things ill never type again)
NO. You use normal transdermal application sites like traps, clavicle, shoulders, inside of upper arms or thighs if lean, tops of feet.

I can’t remember why testes shouldn’t be used. Maybe due to sensitivity of area, or damage to testes, but I believe test applied there might also aromatize heavily for some reason. Just going off unsubstantiated memory here, but I know it’s not ideal for most application. When in doubt, google PubMed.
 
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You have to have to haaaave to watch Bp when running stuff. Holding your breath and straining can increase BP by 3x resting values. I’ve seen it as high as 350/120 before during maximal load events. Then right after it suddenly drops, blood goes from your trunk to your peripheries and it goes with gravity, ie away from your head. No blood to brain makes you pass out because your brain needs blood. During those high spikes blood is forced in to your brain too so you could end up with an over accumulation which would cause headaches etc.

Watching BP is a must
 
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You have to have to haaaave to watch Bp when running stuff. Holding your breath and straining can increase BP by 3x resting values. I’ve seen it as high as 350/120 before during maximal load events. Then right after it suddenly drops, blood goes from your trunk to your peripheries and it goes with gravity, ie away from your head. No blood to brain makes you pass out because your brain needs blood. During those high spikes blood is forced in to your brain too so you could end up with an over accumulation which would cause headaches etc.

Watching BP is a must
going to gnc now for hawthorne extract
 
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Also, I had the exact same thing on Aggressive DMZ, but it wouldn’t happen until I dosed my arimacare pro and dhea. When I got rid of the arimacare and dhea it stopped. Adding the dhea back in, it didn’t return.

I also happened to take a dose of winstrol to relieve some water pressure in that instance. It’s logged here somewhere.
How do you think arimacare and dhea effected the dmz and/or your system to raise bp? Never used arimacare personally.
 
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How do you think arimacare and dhea effected the dmz and/or your system to raise bp? Never used arimacare personally.
I have never used red yeast rice. Some people are allergic, also one or two other things in the old formula I hadn’t used. Any of those could have been a cause.

I had the dhea in to wetten the dmz up.

That water plus some type of allergic reaction and my head was just pounding, hands were throbbing so painfully. And it would happen without fail about an hour after dosing.

Like I said, once I realized what was going on I was able to fix it, and continue with the rest of what I was taking.


I refuse to use another all in one support supplement.

Give me some tadalafil for blood pressure, cardarine for cholesterol, coq10 for the heart rhythm, nac and tudca for the liver and call it a day. Those all work and I’m not allergic whatsoever.
 
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Give me some tadalafil for blood pressure, cardarine for cholesterol, coq10 for the heart rhythm, nac and tudca for the liver and call it a day. Those all work and I’m not allergic whatsoever.
So I'm taking Hawthorne Berry Extract & CQ10 and NAC and Tudca but I'm still getting the head throbbing. Off everything but AndroHard
 
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Hawthorne berry is not cialis and cardarine.
 
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I only started it yesterday! I was having these headaches even last week on nothing!
How much Cialis? My supplier sent me a sample pack of 10 Cenforce - 100mg pills.
100mg per pill?? You want like 5, maybe 10mg daily.
 
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Yeah that sounds way more in line with what I’ve read. Stimulate, don’t annihilate.

100mg your pecker might explode
Oh man it’s crazy. The first day and a half after taking 5mg while on cycle it’s boner city. I seriously don’t know what to do with myself.
 
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Oh man it’s crazy. The first day and a half after taking 5mg while on cycle it’s boner city. I seriously don’t know what to do with myself.
Invest in Jergens stock??
 
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so piggy backing on the original thread here and the throbbing headache -
I'm still getting this spike to the brain and the effects from the original incident still linger as they have done in the past (usually around 2 weeks or so) - I had an MRI doe on my brain yesterday and everything (so far) came back normal but I'm still making an appt to see a neurologist.

It feels like blood is rushing to my brain and the only think I havn't put into my daily intake is that cardatine which I'm going to try. Maintaining with Androhard only as directed.
 
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just just an update to this thread -
daily regiment:
CQ10
Hawthrone Berry
Caditone
Liver Support
Fish Oil
Nolva
OTC PCT (innovapharm)
Zinc/Magnesium blend

Head Throbbing lasted for about 2.5 weeks - all good now.
 

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